What can you learn from watching 14 year old UTR12 ?

[E46luver]

this video was a joy to watch.

these kids have very mature point construction skills and very high ball tolerance.
they are finishing points at the net with overhead slams.

maybe lacking pace, but in the way a 70 year old former tour professional may.
their strokes are very advanced and they are very high level players

proves that FH slice can take you to UTR12
such well executed slice rallies.

 

[ReopeningWed]

This is the kind of stuff I watch almost exclusively, along with collegiate matches and pros practicing. All in 60fps of course.

 

[Curious]

They’re on auto pilot! Everything is automatic, strokes, shot selection, movement. They play at a subconscious level. No thinking is involved. Well, at least it seems like that...

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

That ball at 8 seconds, whaaaaat, that was in!

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

They’re on auto pilot! Everything is automatic, strokes, shot selection, movement. They play at a subconscious level. No thinking is involved. Well, at least it seems like that...

Yeah, tons of time on the court leads to that. When I am at net, sometimes it feels like I am watching a video through my eyes when I volley, I have no idea what thoughts I have, I just see volleys happening. It all happens too fast, checking the hips of my opponent, the racket angle when they hit, the ball coming in, my arm is doing something but I have no clear idea of my mind thinking "arm go here and hit there and angle there". If a ball my opponent hits is going into the net, I'll look down and my racket face is there on the other side of the net ready to hit it as if the net wasn't there. It's a strange feeling. Maybe it's akin to being in the zone or something.

 

[heninfan99]

Rudy Quan would bagel

 

[FiReFTW]

They don't lack pace lol, these kids hit harder than 99% of this forum.

But this camera angle makes the ball seem extremely slow, just watch the slices that they hit, the ball looks like its traveling in slow motion, very deceiving angle.

 

[pencilcheck]

I wouldn't say they are hitting super hard (except the winners), they are just very consistent in their placement and their form and follow through. The camera does makes the ball look a lot slower than it actually is. This is Orange Bowl, if I remember correctly they are extremely good to get to play in this tournament.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Solid young men with very different approaches in the game. Lots to build on for both though.

I watch this kinds of stuff often on YT and live often.

 

[AlexSV]

I've never seen anyone slice that much in a junior match before. However, I have noticed the younger tournament brackets tend to have a lot of pushers.

I'm wondering about the actual level of this tournament. The ITF Orange Bowl is a big event, but I'm not sure about this one.

 

[E46luver]

i would luv to know how a 14 year old is told to trust the process
and even if he loses to a pusher, to keep going since he will end up with bigger strokes at 18
most USTA adults can't handle this, how does a kid?

 

[FiReFTW]

An utr12 will not lose to a pusher

 

[E46luver]

An utr12 will not lose to a pusher

Pushers exist at all levels, and it's relative to the other players at his level.
There are 3.0 pushers
There are 4.0 pushers.
There are UTR12 pushers.
Andy Murray is a pusher.
Leyton Hewitt ex-#1 and multiple grand slam winner was considered a pusher.

 

[FiReFTW]

Pushers exist at all levels, and it's relative to the other players at his level.
There are 3.0 pushers
There are 4.0 pushers.
There are UTR12 pushers.
Andy Murray is a pusher.
Leyton Hewitt ex-#1 and multiple grand slam winner was considered a pusher.

A pusher only defends and return balls and waits for the opponent to make an error. Give murray a shorter ball and he crushes it.
He also attacks from the back at times.
Hes a counterpuncher not a pusher, a pusher only gets the ball into play, thats my definition of a pusher.

 

[E46luver]

that is just a 3.5 pusher

eventually you will see 4.0 or 4.5 pusher
call it whatever u like.

the kids were hitting slowly and many will call pushers
see how slow their racket speed is on some rally balls
see how fast the ball is on overhead slam. what happened to tricky camera angle now?
its not just camera, they are hitting softly on many the shots.
once people have weapons, anyone not using weapons can be called pusher.

 

[ontologist]

Kid played in a 250 so he’s obviously good. Just because his game doesn’t fit what a lot of people think a utr 12s should look like doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best players in his age group. There are a lot of styles that work, some more unconventional than others. But he got where he is by winning so...

 

[pencilcheck]

Andy is a pusher? I don’t understand...

 

[blablavla]

Andy is a pusher? I don’t understand...

didn't you know that Federer and Del Potro on this forum can be called pushers as well?
with Del Potro serve being average.
so of course Andy is a pusher.

but hey, the 3.5s hit the ball harder than Nadal.

welcome to TTW

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Andy is a pusher? I don’t understand...

Once hit one of the fastest forehands ever. Obviously a pusher.

 

[34n]

Guys on the video have plenty of tournament experience and know that unforced errors look ugly on the scoreboard ))

this video was a joy to watch.

these kids have very mature point construction skills and very high ball tolerance.
they are finishing points at the net with overhead slams.

maybe lacking pace, but in the way a 70 year old former tour professional may.
their strokes are very advanced and they are very high level players

proves that FH slice can take you to UTR12
such well executed slice rallies.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

this video was a joy to watch.

these kids have very mature point construction skills and very high ball tolerance.
they are finishing points at the net with overhead slams.

maybe lacking pace, but in the way a 70 year old former tour professional may.
their strokes are very advanced and they are very high level players

proves that FH slice can take you to UTR12
such well executed slice rallies.

They don't necessarily lack pace. On a number of points they were going pretty hard. They just have a lot of range, which is scary good.

 

[ptuanminh]

WTF, andy murray is not a pusher. what kind of dumb sh*t is this?

 

[dman72]

Kid in the blue seemed to have zero weapons, where the other kid aput short balls into corner and forced errors. A lot of blues approach shots that looked like the could have been forehand topspun in were sliced and his opponent knew it was coming and beat him. I'm guessing maybe weaker kids were thrown off by all the slicing but not his opponent here.

 

[E46luver]

This looks like the same camera angle

 

[FiReFTW]

This looks like the same camera angle

Not even close

 

[Grip n Rip]

Pushers exist at all levels, and it's relative to the other players at his level.
There are 3.0 pushers
There are 4.0 pushers.
There are UTR12 pushers.
Andy Murray is a pusher.
Leyton Hewitt ex-#1 and multiple grand slam winner was considered a pusher.

Aaannnnnd, there goes any credibility you might've had

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Not even close

Lol, how is it possible for people to equate a court level and overhead angle? TT never ceases to amaze.

 

[E46luver]

Lol, how is it possible for people to equate a court level and overhead angle? TT never ceases to amaze.

it's identical.
for the kids, its on a fence.
for the adults, it's first row of spectator
TT never ceases to amaze.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

it's identical.
for the kids, its on a fence.
for the adults, it's first row of spectator
TT never ceases to amaze.

Er, first row and fence is the same height? Just take stills and place them side by side and you will see for yourself why it's not identical. Unless you want to troll to defend your ego.

 

[ptuanminh]

Er, first row and fence is the same height? Just take stills and place them side by side and you will see for yourself why it's not identical. Unless you want to troll to defend your ego.

People should read what they write for once in a while lol

 

[Bender]

didn't you know that Federer and Del Potro on this forum can be called pushers as well?

Yer a pusher, @Federer and Del Potro

 

[time_fly]

but hey, the 3.5s hit the ball harder than Nadal.

Yes, but only the ones with 500g racquets strung at 70 lbs (mains) / 25 lbs (crosses)