What did Murray do to Federer in Shanghai that Djokovic couldn't?

[mike danny]

Great Murray matches on HC:

His wins over Nadal at USO and AO.

His wins over Fed at Toronto and Shanghai 2010

Madrid 2008 vs Fed

Toronto 2010 vs Rafa

WTF 2010 vs Rafa

AO 2015 against Berdych (yeah, I know, Bendych, but Murray played well)

AO 2012 vs Djokovic

AO 2013 vs Federer

These are just some of them. Can't possibly list them all.

 

[JoelSandwich]

Great Murray matches on HC:

His wins over Nadal at USO and AO.

His wins over Fed at Toronto and Shanghai 2010

Madrid 2008 vs Fed

Toronto 2010 vs Rafa

WTF 2010 vs Rafa

AO 2015 against Berdych (yeah, I know, Bendych, but Murray played well)

AO 2012 vs Djokovic

AO 2013 vs Federer

These are just some of them. Can't possibly list them all.

I'd also add the Tokyo Final in 2011 vs Nadal, but agreed.

 

[Tenisfan3]

Yeah, I watched the highlights of that final again last night and the vast majority of the match points were saved by Novak being brave and really going for his shots. IMO that was probably the best Masters match I've ever seen, just extremely high level tennis, incredible athleticism and fantastic drama throughout. I think beating that version of Murray should go down as possibly Nole's greatest ever achievement in a Masters event. Give Andy any version of Hewitt and Roddick and he'd have torn them to shreds the way he played that day and it wouldn't have been pretty.

Andy might do fine vs any version of Roddick and Hewitt but Djokovic would get owned by Roddick on HC as their HC HTH suggests. Heck AO 2009 Nadal would obliterate any version of Djokovic on HC. Can't wait for brother Novak to get ousted out of the Australian Open. Trolls like you, ABCD, uliks will disappear till at least June. When he loses RG as well, then you fake MTO ball bouncing fans will probably quit the forum for the whole year. If there is justice in this world this will definitely happen.

 

[KINGROGER]

Haha, but you still have an "explanation" for every time Fed loses in a non Mickey Mouse tournament!

The only excuse I'll give for his prime years would be mono at the start of 08 is why he didn't win the AO and darkness cost him Wimbledon. Anything else after 07 is post peak after 09 is post prime after 12 is geriatric grandad era.

Murray is a a much better tennis player than Hewitt and Roddick, there is much difference in quality there in Murrays favour. There is no way around that.

Thing is Roddick and Hewitt would've been multi slam winners in today's pathetic weak era where as Murray has 1 slam and lost at Wimbledon to dimiMUG then geriatric grandad servebotterer the year after.

 

[kishnabe]

Now you know full well what the Fedfans on here are going to say, don't you?

Obviously either: Roger wasn't feeling very well on those 2 occasions or (or probably both): who cares about an insignificant mickey-mouse event like Shanghai anyway !

Murray played the best match of his life....that day in Shanghai 2010.

 

[KINGROGER]

Noticed a few things from this, and the Shanghai match from 2010.

1. WTF is Fed doing??? Why is he "attacking" Murray's top class solid reliable defensive backhand and being passed and owned all day in cross court BH rallies?
Why not attack his WTA standard loopy FH with your own FH? Absolutely awful mug tactics. He did the same thing vs Nadal his whole career... trying to attack that solid dependable top class Two handed BH.

No wonder Fed started owning Murray once he tactically improved, a lot from 2012. Just a shame he couldn't use his improved tactics from 2010 when he was physically much better.

2. Murray's BH looks a lot better than I've seen it recently. Actually hit through the ball flat rather than moonball shots like he did all day vs Djokovic.

3. Murray looks much better in adidas. He should ditch under armour and go back with them.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Murray was quite effective against pre-Edberg Federer, at least outside of slams - and especially when Fed wasn't going for it 100%, such as at end-of-year non-slam tournaments like Shanghai.

On the other hand Federer matches-up well with Djokovic on fast surfaces, plus he was feeling it particularly well on the day of that match.

Nothing more to it really.

 

[NatF]

Hewitt vs Sampras 2001 USO final. There's one straight away!

I guess you think Murray would have delivered triple bagels then?

For Murray;

AO 2007 QF vs Nadal
USO 2008 SF vs Nadal
Madrid 2008 SF vs Federer

Generally he played well in Doha, Miami, Canada in 2009

AO 2010 QF vs Nadal
AO 2010 SF vs Cilic
Canada 2010 F vs Federer
Shanghai 2010 F vs Federer
WTF 2010 SF vs Nadal

High level in Shanghai in 2011 but depleted draw

Tokyo 2011 F vs Nadal

AO 2012 SF vs Djokovic
Dubai 2012 SF vs Djokovic
USO 2012 4R vs Raonic
(No USO final because the wind made it a crap shoot for both)
Shanghai 2012 SF vs Federer
Shanghai 2012 F vs Djokovic
WTF 2012 SF vs Djokovic
AO 2013 SF vs Federer

Plus more in the last 2 years but I cba to do more.

 

[RF-18]

[QUOTE="KINGROGER, post: 10866550]Thing is Roddick and Hewitt would've been multi slam winners in today's pathetic weak era where as Murray has 1 slam and lost at Wimbledon to dimiMUG then geriatric grandad servebotterer the year after.[/QUOTE]

Hewitt and Roddick would do what? They would be outside the top 10.

 

[NatF]

Hewitt and Roddick would do what? They would be outside the top 10.

In an era where Raonic is #3, peak Roddick and Hewitt would be outside the top 10?

 

[Feather]

You lack reading comprehension apparently. I said Murray wasn't good enough that day to tear any Hewitt or Roddick to shreds. I didn't say he wasn't great that day just not as great as you make out e.g. so great he would destroy any Roddick or Hewitt that took to the court. That says more about your views of players (slam champions and former #1's I might add) than mine. Every time you post about players from that era you reveal how little you know.

You do like to put words in other peoples mouths don't you? When have I ever said Murray never played a great match on HC...I don't blame you for building strawman, it's probably the way you feel you can get into a debate - by ridiculing views that no one has I would say you're starting to remind me of 'such and such' but you've always been passive aggressive and you've always twisted words around.

Building strawman and being passive aggressive, I too have noted that.

 

[Noleberic123]

In an era where Raonic is #3, peak Roddick and Hewitt would be outside the top 10?

Your right. An era with Blake at #4 is better.

 

[NatF]

Your right. An era with Blake at #4 is better.

Don't be dense. That poster claimed Roddick and Hewitt wouldn't be top 10 in this era which is why I brought up Raonic

Raonic is sitting at #3 without holding a single title, Blake at least won 5 - even if his slam results were a bit crap.

 

[Noleberic123]

Don't be dense. That poster claimed Roddick and Hewitt wouldn't be top 10 in this era which is why I brought up Raonic

Raonic is sitting at #3 without holding a single title, Blake at least won 5 - even if his slam results were a bit crap.

A bit crap?

 

[NatF]

A bit crap?

Blake never showed his potential at the slams, in 2016 he probably would have made the USO final though

 

[Noleberic123]

Blake never showed his potential at the slams, in 2016 he probably would have made the USO final though

Doubt it. Maybe the SF.

 

[NatF]

Doubt it. Maybe the SF.

Nah, I give Blake good chances to beat Djokovic. Novak was lucky his draw evaporated. Wawrinka would be tougher but Blake was going toe to toe with Federer so it would be close.

 

[Russeljones]

Now you know full well what the Fedfans on here are going to say, don't you?

Obviously either: Roger wasn't feeling very well on those 2 occasions or (or probably both): who cares about an insignificant mickey-mouse event like Shanghai anyway !

2010 and 2012. Yeah, important stuff that Shanghai tournament.