What do guys think of the Fed - Cilic match drama?

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
I couldn't watch all of it and saw a bit of the fracas with the umpire regarding time wasting by both players.

What's TTW's hot take?

Is this good stuff from Roger? Was he being a bad sport? What about the umpire? Cilic?
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Roger should waste more time between points like his rivals. Old man needs to regroup. He ain't 25 anymore.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru


Roger Federer was involved in a heated discussion with the umpire and his opponent Marin Cilic during their second-round French Open match.
Federer, the 20-time Grand Slam champion from Switzerland, was handed a time violation midway through the second set for slowing down the pace of play in return games.

Cilic had made the point to the umpire that he was being forced to wait for Federer when about to serve and he duly responded by handing him a time violation in the fourth game of the second set.

Federer didn’t take kindly to the decision and engaged in a lengthy discussion with the chair umpire in which he pointed out that Cilic bounced the ball a large amount of times before he actually started his action.

After a back and forth with the umpire, with Federer leaning on the net, he then brought Cilic into the conversation: ‘Am I playing too slow?

Cilic began to explain the rule about the game being played at the server’s pace and Federer sharply responded: ‘I understand the rule.’

Cilic continued: ‘On a few occasions I was waiting for you.’

Federer responded: ‘I understand, but I’m going from one corner to the next, trying to get my towel back. I’m not even doing it on purpose.’

After Cilic saved breakpoint to hold, a clearly agitated Federer continued his discussion with the umpire throughout the change of ends.

Federer struggled to rediscover his form and a poor service game gifted Cilic a second break and the second set, drawing the match level at 6-2 2-6. However, he won the third set to get back on top.

Novak Djokovic, meanwhile, had his own discussion with the umpire, complaining about a fan in the crowd making noise when he was serving.

He was, at least, in total control of his match with Pablo Cuevas – enjoying a comfortable two-set lead before allowing his frustrations to boil over.

 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I couldn't watch all of it and saw a bit of the fracas with the umpire regarding time wasting by both players.

What's TTW's hot take?

Is this good stuff from Roger? Was he being a bad sport? What about the umpire? Cilic?

Roger was correct to complain. He still had 14 seconds on the clock and there are NO ballboys anymore to fetch the towel. He had to walk all the way from one side to the other, that alone takes 10 seconds. Umpire was stupid and he will no longer be umpiring ATP tour matches after this tournament. You may see him in your USTA playoff matches in nationals.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
I saw it,
Does server's pace include stepping up to the baseline to serve and bounce the ball a random
Number of times or toss it up and catch it?
I think only thing is require to serve under 25 second but not sure
 
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SonnyT

Legend
Of course, whatever he wants to do, as long as he's under the clock!

Aha, Federer wants to waste his opponent's service time, not his own! When he's serving, he wants to speed up and keep up the rhythm. But when Cilic's serving, slow it down to break up his rhythm.

But that's fair, that's part of the game! That Cilic couldn't handle it, is on him!
 
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GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
I saw it, umpire

I think only thing is require to serve under 25 second but not sure

There's something in there about initiating service. Required to serve has to mean something. Is it time to make contact with the ball, step up to the line and start bouncing

I'm not clear myself
 

tonylg

Legend
Didn't see it as well, it's dirt tennis .. but consider this scenario ..

A certain player is almost a lock to win a tournament. That same certain player is very well known for using unsportsmanlike delaying tactics to upset his opponent's rhythm when matches get tight. It has carried him to wins in countless matches that he almost certainly would have lost.

If the greatest player in the past 50 years were to get himself a violation for doing that exact same thing during an early round, making it look completely legit, would that not put the spotlight on umpires to not let the other player, who habitually engages in this practice, continue to get away with it?

Genius move from Fed, pure Genius.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Didn't see it as well, it's dirt tennis .. but consider this scenario ..

A certain player is almost a lock to win a tournament. That same certain player is very well known for using unsportsmanlike delaying tactics to upset his opponent's rhythm when matches get tight. It has carried him to wins in countless matches that he almost certainly would have lost.

If the greatest player in the past 50 years were to get himself a violation for doing that exact same thing during an early round, making it look completely legit, would that not put the spotlight on umpires to not let the other player, who habitually engages in this practice, continue to get away with it?

Genius move from Fed, pure Genius.

You had me at 'Genius move from Fed'
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
On the umpire's chair would send a nice message.

Federer must have 'leaked' on the lawn in Wimby 2012. That's what made Murray slip

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NAS

Hall of Fame
I don't know exactly serving rule but sometimes context matters, you have wipe your sweat, you can't play with sweat on your plans or eyes
 

catskillthunder

Professional
Which two

I didnt see the match, nor the incident. From what I surmise it seems as if Cilic was unhappy with the slow play. Federer seemed to not realize he was playing slow which aggravated him. He should know that, "walking over to the other side, getting a towel is not applicable when the server is ready to start the point.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Of course, whatever he wants to do, as long as he's under the clock!

Aha, Federer wants to waste his opponent's service time, not his own! When he's serving, he wants to speed up and keep up the rhythm. But when Cilic's serving, slow it down to break up his rhythm.

But that's fair, that's part of the game! That Cilic couldn't handle it, is on him!
Actually Fed do wait for Rafa and Novak without snitching them to umpires
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
It's ironic that one of the consistently fastest guys on tour got called out by a guy who takes 10 years to go through his service motion. And it does bring up a good point – what is a 'reasonable' amount of time for a server/returner to take? 12 seconds seems like it would be on the low end – any faster and the server would probably not be said to be taking a reasonable amount of time. Especially in this era where everyone towels off between every point, even on aces or double faults.

Also it'll be interesting to see if other players start complaining to the umpire when certain players are taking their sweet time on return.
 
It is almost as though they are doing it on purpose: letting the massive offenders get away with anything and punish the player that is as fastidious about observing the rules as they get.

I understand that Cilic was itching to get the win, and would do anything in his power to succeed, but that is just plain low.

Federer should get used to it, though. The hyenas are lining up for a piece of him.

:cool:
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
The rules should be amended to make clear that Cilic’s excessive pre-serve ball bounce/chicken leg routine is a Major Code Violation and, therefore, grounds for default, though I think it already fits the definition.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
That quote is pretty much gold, and pretty much true. :-D Why should the returner be required to stand at attention to watch the server go through his pre-serve theatrics? I remember when Agassi and Nadal played at Wimbledon in 06, at one point while waiting Andre made one of the line judges get up so he could sit in his chair.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
The denizens of TTW (myself included) rarely have any meaningful "hot takes" surrounding the sport of tennis.

After 4+ years on this forum, I've noticed that the "wisdom of the crowd" principle simply doesn't apply to TTW.

TTW forums are more akin to watching a troop of baboons flinging **** against a wall.

And that's precisely what we come here for don't we? ;)
 
That quote is pretty much gold, and pretty much true. :-D Why should the returner be required to stand at attention to watch the server go through his pre-serve theatrics? I remember when Agassi and Nadal played at Wimbledon in 06, at one point while waiting Andre made one of the line judges get up so he could sit in his chair.

It is not even that: the problem is that those players who abuse the rules, be it as servers or as receivers, vary their routines, and that is what Federer was complaining about. It is inexcusable to make a game of cat and mouse with your serve rituals with the hope to ambush your opponent, it is twice as bad to use this to accuse him of stalling, especially if you are still playing exceptionally fast.

Cilic did all three: he was varying his pre serve routine, accused Federer of not being ready when he is ready (even though Cilic himself was deliberately varying his routine), and was at times getting to serve so fast, that Federer couldn't even get his towel.

Kudos to Federer for joking about some aspects of it in his post match presser.

:cool:
 

pointbreak

Rookie
order 66 Cilic, he had some nerve in this, the most annoying pre service routine on tour calls out the best in the business, also, what on earth happened with his tennis, he has barely converted a breakpoint since 2018 and now he goes semi usopen2014 mode all of a sudden?
 

AceSalvo

Legend
It is not even that: the problem is that those players that abuse the rules, be it as servers as well as receivers vary their routines, and that is what Federer was complaining about. It is inexcusable to make a game of cat and mouse with your serve rituals with the hope to ambush your opponent, it is twice as bad to use this to accuse him of stalling, especially, if you are still playing exceptionally fast.

Cilic did all three: he was varying his pre serve routine, accused Federer of not being ready when he is ready (even though Cilic himself was deliberately varying his routine), and was at times getting to serve so fast, that Federer couldn't even get his towel.

Kudos to Federer for joking about some aspects of it in his post match presser.

:cool:

The Lion (big cat) caught the Rat.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I think it’s absurd to give Federer a time violation. He is one of the quickest on tour in between points...no dilly-dellying, scratching at what-not or bouncing the ball a dozen times. Then Cilic out of all people, has the nerve to complain? Isn’t he in the discussion with Djokovic for GOAT ball-bouncer?
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
And that's precisely what we come here for don't we? ;)

In the early 2000's, I used to view and post on a forum about the football team which I support.

A lot of the discussion generated a modicum of consensus - such as managerial strategy, team selection, formation, etc.

But as soon a thread cropped up outside the club, then long-standing posters were metaphorically "ripping each others' throats out". And these threads were always the most exciting and entertaining to view!

I think that we (as human beings) are naturally drawn to "drama".
 

Europa1

Rookie
Federer, of all people , given a time violation? I agree that he should start employing the same "gamemanship" that's has been successfully used against himself by his biggest rivals. But he won't.
 
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