What do Sampras, Krajicek and Ivanisevic have in common??

psYcon

Semi-Pro
I guess we can count a 36 year old Sampras victory over a peak Fed in 2007 at Macau too then? Fed loses to a guy 5 years retired on a fast surface ROFL.. No to mention he was down 2-5 in the final set vs. Pete at Madison Square Garden as well

Those EXOs were all staged. Fed purposely played down to keep the scores close and the audience engaged. Watch some of his shot selection in the matches, he was fooling around and purposely not going for winners on several occasions. If he had wanted he would easily have breadsticked Sampras.
 

helloworld

Hall of Fame
Those EXOs were all staged. Fed purposely played down to keep the scores close and the audience engaged. Watch some of his shot selection in the matches, he was fooling around and purposely not going for winners on several occasions. If he had wanted he would easily have breadsticked Sampras.

You're saying that Federer is so good that he can just fool around and beat Sampras? :confused: We're talking about Pete Sampras, one of the greatest athlete to ever play tennis here. Even if he's 36, he can still play world class tennis much like Agassi did in his mid 30s, and Sampras didn't even have back problems to worry about like Andre. Pete did beat Federer in that match fair and square, but it's just an exhibition match that should never be mentioned when comparing the greatness between the two.
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
You're saying that Federer is so good that he can just fool around and beat Sampras? :confused: We're talking about Pete Sampras, one of the greatest athlete to ever play tennis here. Even if he's 36, he can still play world class tennis much like Agassi did in his mid 30s, and Sampras didn't even have back problems to worry about like Andre. Pete did beat Federer in that match fair and square, but it's just an exhibition match that should never be mentioned when comparing the greatness between the two.

YES, you finally get it. A 36 yr old sampras would get thrashed by a 26 yr old Federer in a real match.
 

Zarfot Z

Professional
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I guess we can count a 36 year old Sampras victory over a peak Fed in 2007 at Macau too then? Fed loses to a guy 5 years retired on a fast surface ROFL.. No to mention he was down 2-5 in the final set vs. Pete at Madison Square Garden as well

It was all staged. If Fed tried his hardest he would have thrashed Sampras, and the audience would want their money back.

No doubt the result of that match was decided beforehand.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
What I learned from the thread: Tennis players are clearly past their prime at age 29 and their losses from then on don't count. (I am sure victories do, they should count more, actually).
So none of Fed's losses since 2010 count. But the 2 slams won since then beating top players (unlike Sampras who beat nobodies to get his last slam) should be worth twice as much ?
 
Yeah of course because Pat Rafter (Sampras last Wimbledon) on grass is a nobody much like Andy Roddick and Andy Murray. 2002 US open he beat Agassi in the final, who was still going strong and winning slams.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
What I learned from the thread: Tennis players are clearly past their prime at age 29 and their losses from then on don't count. (I am sure victories do, they should count more, actually).
So none of Fed's losses since 2010 count.

Are you sure about that? I could have sworn I've seen Sampras fans using Fed's loss to Tsonga in 2011 as the proof that Sampras would have overpowered Fed on grass.
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
What I learned from the thread: Tennis players are clearly past their prime at age 29 and their losses from then on don't count. (I am sure victories do, they should count more, actually).
So none of Fed's losses since 2010 count. But the 2 slams won since then beating top players (unlike Sampras who beat nobodies to get his last slam) should be worth twice as much ?

Andre Agassi
Andy Roddick
Tommy Hass

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sbengte

G.O.A.T.
^^^ My bad. It should have read "to get his last Wimbledon" and not last slam . Was referring to the 2000 Wimbledon where he didn't face anyone in the top 20.

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21
 
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helloworld

Hall of Fame
This is turning into another Sampras vs Federer thread. *******s nowadays are becoming much more arrogant since their master just started winning major again. Just enjoy this moment, because Federer will not be playing at this level for much longer anyway.
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
^^^ My bad. It should have read "to get his last Wimbledon" and not last slam . Was referring to the 2000 Wimbledon where he didn't face anyone in the top 20.

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21

fair enough
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
This is turning into another Sampras vs Federer thread. *******s nowadays are becoming much more arrogant since their master just started winning major again. Just enjoy this moment, because Federer will not be playing at this level for much longer anyway.

why, is Sampras going to stop him?

Reg. arrogance: Petetards are way too arrogant with lot less facts and records to back them up, so the Fed ****s might actually have a point. In any case, the whining about arrogance is pretty rich coming from the Petetards whose only line of argument since june 2009 has been to trash Federer's competition (especially Roddick) as unworthy of discussion on grass and clay. So I'd say put up or STFU.
 

kiki

Banned
However I doubt those players had serves anywhere comparable to Sampras, Ivanisevic or Krajicek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVnrUKL8yY

The above shows a Tanner serve, his first serve is nowhere near as impressive as even a Sampras second serve.

Tanner was able to make as many aces as Sampras, although Sampras had a better second serve ( and was a much better overall player)

Newk and Gonzo are considered to be top 5 ever servers.Smith & Ashe were not long away.

Generally talking, though, I think the 90´s is the fastest ever serving era, with 12 or 15 all time great servers.Even kick off servers like Edberg and Rafter were truly dominating players....
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
I can't believe what I just read. Did you really say Roddick was more forbidable than Boris Becker??? Are you talking about one of the greatest grass court player of all time who can go toe-to-toe with Pete on quick surface? Do I need to remind you of how Becker played?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsu-zL2Ah0

He never watched him.He probably thinks it is the current Benjamin Becker...

And what does this prove? that Becker was as good as he was in the late 80s?

Let me do you a favor and turn it around:

Do I need to remind you of how Sampras played? Note: this was AFTER Federer defeated Sampras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VUBtEbuOuY
 
As for Goran, wayyyyy past-prime Goran won wimby?? must've been a really weak field then. sounds like he's not as formidable on grass as the Pete fanbois make it out to be?

They're all very, very good, why does it have to be anymore than that? They're all at a BEYOND human level...but Goran was losing in the 1st round of Aussie Open qualifying remember before turning the light switch on for one last run.

It IS a lot like Vincenzo Spadea says. IT's more simple than imagined. IS YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME. When a player is at their "peak," they simply HANG ONTO points like a dog hangs onto his bone. They don't let go. Tennis is a battle of *wills* more than anything else at the "inhuman" level. A depressed player is an unable player. Goran right after winning his Wimbledon basically went back to sucking again. Wasn't tanking, but you could just tell there wasn't no "fire" left in his eyes. He was in a pleasure cruise mode, just riding out the wave. That's how it is. You simply can NOT win consistently at this level without your head FULLY into the sport anymore. Look at how unbelievably fast Medvedev tailed off after that devastating French loss to Agassi. He simply lost the will for the game anymore. It's as simple as that. The greatest level of achievement can't be done with one foot in the after glow cake, I really don't see why it's that hard to grasp. It's not a MANLY a mano argument to just accept how good all of these guys really are. If at their absolute best they're all gonna be pretty darn amazing. Look at Berasategui done to Agassi once at the Aussie...he went all bionic Kip the kangaroo on Agassi with his forehand. Afterward, Agassi said it's the best in the game when *on.* That's how it is. You do know, Haas recently beat Federer right? At his age, and after as injury-riddled a career as anyone in "recent" memory.

Also, Krajicek I believe I read once that near the end following another elbow surgery I believe it was; he retired, the reason was, that he *couldn't* serve like he used to anymore. He was forced to take something like 15% off his "full" capabilities with it, just to be able to play. And that's being missed here. There are always counters to every argument at this leve, why? Simply, because the guys are all potentially that "God" like on any given day. It's not that hard to understand. If they're on they're game that day, they're going to hold onto your tail and not let go. If they did not have the potential to be "God-like" on any given day, they simply would not reached that pinnacle of achievement before. It comes down to a matter of *frequency* and WHEN the chips are highest, do you wilt like yesterday's bad cod, fried fish in a pond for the day...or do, come out like a pirrahna *possessed.* It's less a matter of ability per say, but bringing it in the most pivotal moments of your *lifetime*...it's a lot of pressure. That's why Bruguera beat Federer 6-1, 6-1 coming off what was supposed to be career-ending shoulder surgery...na-na-na-na...see how that goes? WHO CARES. No really, you win some, you get spanked some (and Bruguera was playing goodness knows how awful that match, honestly, he was to me barely even recognizable from the peaked animal I once remembered (*when* he was trying, which all too often...he was only half there, you could *always* see it in the eyes with him...the eyes do NOT lie...).

More on this ending note, look at how Costa near the end, was he really the same after winning that French? NO. You could SEE IT. Did you see his last match against "peak" Hewitt at the US Open? Could have just been Hewitt being in his peak, but no; that *didn't even need* to factor in. His eyes was just kind of lolly-gagging there...but not. That's how it is, once the mind begins to drift. The eyes get vacuous, and it gets obvious. Have you ever tried to play a motion sensor swing and miss game when your head's not all there? No? How about laser tag, zap-zap!! ...and, after awhile, even Rafael Nadal, simply doesn't care...*that* much. It WILL happen one day, in fact, we've already seen it. A few years ago during his raw animalistic peak, after his parent's divorce, his eyes were NOT there anymore...for the remainder of that season. And *suddenly,* he looked very *mortal* out there...don't care who. That's how it is. As Spadea said, he's really not far off from the TRUTH. When Rios was #1, he simply did NOT miss. That's what "locked in" players at their peaks do. Whether it be the serve or anything else, it's ALL connected from the TOP (your brain), on down. EVERYTHING is affected. It's TOO easy to miss in this game, TOO easy to bail out of a point of wills too prematurely at this level, it's a constant *re-*focus sport. That's the point. You CAN'T play it any other way, and hope to succeed at this level. Muster without head in, the second he lost that focus, he was losing 1 and love like practically everyday...the hardest trier out there went to being a who gives freak anymore, i want to fly helizippers around the outback now. Look at how quickly guys like Kafelnikov and Muster balooned up...it was almost inconceiable...but they is rich you know, and that buys awesome, muy excellente, turkey and cider feasts everyday you want. When your'e that rich and generally "successful," you have the option to "bail out" at anytime. When you're young and trying to "prove" yourself, you iz HUNGRY and would do anything to suceed. You *can't* teach an old dog new fight, when they really just *don't* have it in them anymore. That ALWAYS has to come fromi inside. Did Olivia Newton John's original, candy hunka joy..."care" the same when he was sleeping with "their" actress/maid lady or whatever? No, because he's a 'turd. Tennis is bang-here-right now, the second your mind drifts, you become the other player's row-row, yo-yo-beech...that's just the way it is, so sung Billy So.

Just remember, Chang at the end, was tanker too. It can happen, that was a miracle in and of itself; but Chang, even Chang lost spirit and began tanking at the slighest frustration in a match. Exact opposite of how he used to be...it's only natural. Maybe you're just a pup, maybe you're old as the moon; don't matter. One day, you'll see why can't we all just zen along. Everything else is pointless.They'z all really good you know, and put a lot in; it doenst' ahve to be anymore than that.
 

ATP100

Professional
Exactly! And I'll never understand why so many people say that Sampras was "old" at the 2001 Wimbledon. He was the defending champion and not even 30! Or would they also say "No wonder that Federer lost to Tsonga 2011. He was just too old"? Federer was born exactly 10 years after Sampras.

Pete just played a mediocre Wimbledon in 2001 and a crappy Wimbledon in 2002. That's all.


Sorry to shock you, but Sampras was hurt in 99 and never fully recovered.
 

BeGreat

Rookie
What do Nadal and Federer have in common? They are both there when Federer cries after losing a final in a major.
 
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