what do u drive

zhan

Banned
My last accident was in 1981 or 1982.

Why can't people live close to work?

Let's say that houses run $600K where you work and you make $60K/year. Or maybe you want a decent school district for your kids but the city where you work has awful schools. Or your wife wants to live close to her family so that she can get help taking care of the kids. Or maybe the city where they work would make for a lousy place to live.

Or you work as a consultant and have to drive or fly to clients' offices.

There are obviously huge numbers of people that spend a lot of time commuting. They wouldn't if they had the choice whether to do so. So it's pretty obvious that there are some rather extreme pressures out there to do so.

I have a 20 minute commute but used to have 40 minute commutes. During that commute, I plan my day, work on problems in my head, enjoy some music or keep up on the news. I have a coworker that has a 40 minute commute. He moved a year ago from a five minute commute because his kids weren't getting a very good education where he was living and a very good district at a price that he could afford was 40 minutes away. He buys college course type materials that he listens to on the way to and from work.
the thing was i graduated from the #1 school in the tri-state region LOL so if i were to have kids... i'd love to send them to the same school =]
so i dunno... lol... when will i ever have kids? i'd not mind getting married immediately out of college but the thing is who cares about the job... money is only a number... if im desperate i can always print my own money
 

zhan

Banned
i think im gonna take pics of the car i have in my driveway right now= mitsu galant 90K miles....ill show how crap the interior is...lol
still a beautiful car!
Anybody have experience with mitsu's after 90-100K miles?????
I know they dont compare to Honda's and Toyota's but.....
how much u get the car for?

If you have a lot of worries on it, see if you can find a forum for your model care or at least the make. When I drove Audis, I was on a mailing list for Audis and it was invaluable for getting an idea of what failed and when along with getting the options to fix problems. Back then, Audi was an enthusiast car company. Today it's more corporate.
Audi was near dead when it was 'an enthusiast' car company...
im sure u knew that but... enthusiast car companies dont have MONEY
and MONEY is the key towards vehicle development and success...
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
the thing was i graduated from the #1 school in the tri-state region LOL so if i were to have kids... i'd love to send them to the same school =]
so i dunno... lol... when will i ever have kids? i'd not mind getting married immediately out of college but the thing is who cares about the job... money is only a number... if im desperate i can always print my own money
For some reason, younger folks think that it grows on trees. Perhaps it does. There have been so many caught up in the Home ATM, subprime loans and house flipping that one might think that it's easy to get something for nothing.

I grew up in a good district too but couldn't afford to live there. They didn't have the crazy subprime loans back then and that was good. The system wouldn't let you hang yourself.

Financial concerns dealt with when young make passage through life easier as small decisions made in youth have a way of exponentially compounding through adult life. Unless you were born with a silver spoon. Even then, prudent financial management can help avoid squandering old money.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
the thing was i graduated from the #1 school in the tri-state region LOL so if i were to have kids... i'd love to send them to the same school =]
so i dunno... lol... when will i ever have kids? i'd not mind getting married immediately out of college but the thing is who cares about the job... money is only a number... if im desperate i can always print my own money
what? you didnt go to maryland! lies.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Audi was near dead when it was 'an enthusiast' car company...
im sure u knew that but... enthusiast car companies dont have MONEY
and MONEY is the key towards vehicle development and success...
The reasons for Audi's problems were many:

- Unintended acceleration
- Great whiz-bang technology that wasn't maintainable
- Great whiz-bang technology prone to failure
- Legendary electrical problems
- Legendary hydraulic system problems so that your power steering and power brakes could both fail at the same time
- Low volume production cars implying huge costs for replacement parts
- Weak service education - trying to find qualified mechanics was tough
- Dealer network problems

The 60-minutes unintended accelerations was probably the biggest blow to the carmaker's reputation and it took a long, long time to recover from that. They started going upscale in the mid 1990s and garnered more sales, especially in the colder climates. But they still had the same quality problems in the 1990s.

VW needed a luxury arm anyways and their only real option was Audi. It appears to have worked out well financially well for VW.

I don't think that I'll ever buy a European car again. The Japanese automakers have such a quality advantage over the Europeans that it isn't funny. And it isn't just in the physical construction of their vehicles. It's also in the processes and procedures that they put into place for vehicle maintenance and maintainability engineering.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
The reasons for Audi's problems were many:

- Unintended acceleration
- Great whiz-bang technology that wasn't maintainable
- Great whiz-bang technology prone to failure
- Legendary electrical problems
- Legendary hydraulic system problems so that your power steering and power brakes could both fail at the same time
- Low volume production cars implying huge costs for replacement parts
- Weak service education - trying to find qualified mechanics was tough
- Dealer network problems

The 60-minutes unintended accelerations was probably the biggest blow to the carmaker's reputation and it took a long, long time to recover from that. They started going upscale in the mid 1990s and garnered more sales, especially in the colder climates. But they still had the same quality problems in the 1990s.

VW needed a luxury arm anyways and their only real option was Audi. It appears to have worked out well financially well for VW.

I don't think that I'll ever buy a European car again. The Japanese automakers have such a quality advantage over the Europeans that it isn't funny. And it isn't just in the physical construction of their vehicles. It's also in the processes and procedures that they put into place for vehicle maintenance and maintainability engineering.
yea the thing that gets me is why the other nations cant duplicate it. ihave read case studies where Ford and GM both sent engineers to Japan plants just to study and observe how they were doing it, and yet despite agreeing and rezliaing Japan is much superior, they are still not duplicating the process to improve quality...i guess the cost of overhaul throughout would just be too costly....but still we are talking cars here. you should be able to justofy that to the board of directors. stupid american car companies lol
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
yea the thing that gets me is why the other nations cant duplicate it. ihave read case studies where Ford and GM both sent engineers to Japan plants just to study and observe how they were doing it, and yet despite agreeing and rezliaing Japan is much superior, they are still not duplicating the process to improve quality...i guess the cost of overhaul throughout would just be too costly....but still we are talking cars here. you should be able to justofy that to the board of directors. stupid american car companies lol
What's funny is that the Japanese originally came to the US to find out how they could improve quality. And Deming went over there and explained it to them.

I think that you need to have a long-term focus on gradually building up a business. It happens all the time in the US with small businesses. But the
big companies are focused on the short term and the near-term rewards
for management. So putting into place long-term investments can be hard
to justify when your manager is looking to cash in his next round of stock
options that are vesting.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
What's funny is that the Japanese originally came to the US to find out how they could improve quality. And Deming went over there and explained it to them.

I think that you need to have a long-term focus on gradually building up a business. It happens all the time in the US with small businesses. But the
big companies are focused on the short term and the near-term rewards
for management. So putting into place long-term investments can be hard
to justify when your manager is looking to cash in his next round of stock
options that are vesting.
yea exactly right. the shareholders and wall street puts too much pressure, so all everyone cares about is this years return. who cares that in 20 years the whole ship will be sunk. sad.
 
...I don't think that I'll ever buy a European car again. The Japanese automakers have such a quality advantage over the Europeans that it isn't funny. And it isn't just in the physical construction of their vehicles. It's also in the processes and procedures that they put into place for vehicle maintenance and maintainability engineering.
I have driven German cars for the past 20 years. And what you say has become more and more accurate.
In fact, I've got a good friend in the car business (just moved back to Detroit). He says the same thing.

My next car will be a Toyota or a Honda. Maybe a Subaru or an infiniti/nissan.
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
exact color and model different car....im 15 and havent driven many...but this car put a smile on my face, handling amazing agility for a 4 cyl....and the list goes on.

I want to find an 03 w/ low miles on it!!!dream-first-car!!!!
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
If you have a lot of worries on it, see if you can find a forum for your model care or at least the make. When I drove Audis, I was on a mailing list for Audis and it was invaluable for getting an idea of what failed and when along with getting the options to fix problems. Back then, Audi was an enthusiast car company. Today it's more corporate.
I went and read threads in Mitsu and galant forums....some people have a lot of problems but none of them are major....brakes suspension bushings, radiators, nothing big!:-D
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
how much u get the car for?

never bought it. a frend of my parents were selling their sons car...he lives in Chicago and didnt need a car any more...we gave it back bc the interior was in bad shape and we were worried bout the miles bc my bros gonna drive it tooo!
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
yea the thing that gets me is why the other nations cant duplicate it. ihave read case studies where Ford and GM both sent engineers to Japan plants just to study and observe how they were doing it, and yet despite agreeing and rezliaing Japan is much superior, they are still not duplicating the process to improve quality...i guess the cost of overhaul throughout would just be too costly....but still we are talking cars here. you should be able to justofy that to the board of directors. stupid american car companies lol


one word : AMEN:-D
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
I have driven German cars for the past 20 years. And what you say has become more and more accurate.
In fact, I've got a good friend in the car business (just moved back to Detroit). He says the same thing.

My next car will be a Toyota or a Honda. Maybe a Subaru or an infiniti/nissan.
Infinitis are the best luxury/sport for the money....hands down!!!!
 

zhan

Banned
u ever drive an acura or infiniti or lexus?
the dials are all cheap plastic from the regular brand (honda, nissan toyota etc.)
the turn signal lever from a $40,000 acura is the same as from a civic...
... plastic with no weight to it...

a bmw or mercedes on the other hand...
its much better quality
 

OrangeOne

Legend
never bought it. a frend of my parents were selling their sons car...he lives in Chicago and didnt need a car any more...we gave it back bc the interior was in bad shape and we were worried bout the miles bc my bros gonna drive it tooo!
Good. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but here in Australia, of the japanese cars, Mitsu's 'cope' with high miles the very worst of the Japanese cars. I know some of the engines are locally made here, may be the problem, but yeah, on the whole, the cope the worst. Toyota and Subaru are much more famous for their ability to clock up the miles....

u ever drive an acura or infiniti or lexus?
the dials are all cheap plastic from the regular brand (honda, nissan toyota etc.)
the turn signal lever from a $40,000 acura is the same as from a civic...
... plastic with no weight to it...

a bmw or mercedes on the other hand...
its much better quality
Dials and turn signal levers, that's where the rubber hits the road, that's what people really care about. NOT.

Please! For a start, Lexus often do unique dial-clusters (a major 'oooohhhh' factor for the IS were the funky dials), and either way....who cares? Only pretentious people who care more about silly aesthetics than almost anything else (including overall safety, design, engineering, longevity, price, etc etc etc).

Final thought: weight is normally a negative in cars (hence the true respect manufacturers like Lotus receive). The more they weigh, the worse they handle. This especially applies to weight that is further from balance & rotation axis, hence the reason some cars go for CF roofs - remove weight from the point furthest from the axis between the wheels. I'm quite happy knowing the dials and turn-levers are plastic in most Japanese cars!
 

zhan

Banned
^ which japanese car out side of a racing car or special production car has carbon fiber roof? or matter fact carbon fiber anything?
japanese engineering is obviously behind the germans cuz they apparently still reverse engineer ...
who first put radar cruise control in cars? germans
who first put the air bag in cars? germans
etc etc...
the japanese is only good at reverse engineering and it applies to all asians

now

if u care about clocking up miles and mpg's then u should just be looking for retirement and wait for urself to die
cars the way i put it... is a luxury to life... luxuries shouldnt last long, luxuries should be enjoyable, luxuries need to be nice, flashy, stimulate senses...

its like women buying purses... it cost like $1000 for a LV bag, it'll last a season ... but who cares... its a luxury...

maybe YOU carry yo **** in a plastic supermarket grocery bag... maybe u let ur woman do that too... just to save $$$...
yeah u woman carrying her **** in a grocery bag while her buddies carry LV's and Burberry's... lets see how that goes

thats the same way with cars...
 

OrangeOne

Legend
^ which japanese car out side of a racing car or special production car has carbon fiber roof? or matter fact carbon fiber anything?
You missed my (subtle) point about weight. Maybe re-read or re-comprehend my last post....

who first put radar cruise control in cars? germans
who first put the air bag in cars? germans
etc etc...
Completely unrelated to my point. Completely. I appreciate engineering and innovation, especially as it pertains to safety. I don't appreciate a 'weighty indicator stalk' for the sake of it, and I could care less what other vehicles that indicator stalk is used in.

if u care about clocking up miles and mpg's then u should just be looking for retirement and wait for urself to die
Or perhaps you're someone who would prefer a reliable car that will last a long time, so you could spend your money elsewhere.

cars the way i put it... is a luxury to life... luxuries shouldnt last long, luxuries should be enjoyable, luxuries need to be nice, flashy, stimulate senses...
You're really lacking in some serious values, and you're a sucker for the modern generation. By definition, a luxury good in many categories should last for a long time, it should be higher quality than a standard good.

its like women buying purses... it cost like $1000 for a LV bag, it'll last a season ... but who cares... its a luxury...
You are so out of touch with reality it's just scary.

maybe YOU carry yo **** in a plastic supermarket grocery bag... maybe u let ur woman do that too... just to save $$$...
yeah u woman carrying her **** in a grocery bag while her buddies carry LV's and Burberry's... lets see how that goes
Do you live your life in a hip-hop video (and are somehow delusional to the point you think most people do?) My god. Get out in the real world. Go for a hike in the bush for a weekend. Walk somewhere. Ride a bike. Actually live, and learn the value of life instead of the price of something that someone decides to rip you off with!
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
> which japanese car out side of a racing car or special
> production car has carbon fiber roof? or matter fact
> carbon fiber anything? japanese engineering is obviously
> behind the germans cuz they apparently still reverse
> engineer ... who first put radar cruise control in cars?
> germans who first put the air bag in cars? germans
> etc etc... the japanese is only good at reverse engineering
> and it applies to all asians

Quality is part of the engineering process. Serviceability
is a part of the engineering process. Maintainability is
part of the engineering process. Now companies like Audi
and BMW might not have a problem with charging $300 each
for rear bushings or eight hundred dollars for a windshield
wiper motor but the average person wouldn't view this as
a favorable cost of ownership issue.

Audi did market their cars based on cost of ownership in
the past. But against other German cars.

Japan's GDP for 2006 was $4.9 trillion. Germany's was $2.89
trillion. Germany has far more than Japan in terms of natural
resources.

Japan has 55% more people but 69% higher GDP. And what's the
number one car company in the world now? BMW? Volkswagen?
Daimler-Chrysler? Which car companies have the highest growth
rates?

> if u care about clocking up miles and mpg's then u should just be
> looking for retirement and wait for urself to die

Why look for retirement? Life is to be lived and enjoyed. But one need
not waste the resources of the planet to do so. Or burden others with
our personal excessive energy use.

> cars the way i put it... is a luxury to life... luxuries shouldnt last
> long, luxuries should be enjoyable, luxuries need to be nice, flashy,
> stimulate senses...

The ultimate luxury is time. Not things. You can always get more things.
You can't get more time.

> its like women buying purses... it cost like $1000 for a LV bag, it'll
> last a season ... but who cares... its a luxury...

I offered my new wife a $1,000 bag shortly after we got married. Coach
I think. She turned me down. That was back in the 1980s when a thousand
dollars was worth a little.

> maybe YOU carry yo **** in a plastic supermarket grocery bag... maybe
> u let ur woman do that too... just to save $$$... yeah u woman
> carrying her **** in a grocery bag while her buddies carry LV's and
> Burberry's... lets see how that goes

Would you really want to spend your life with someone so shallow?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I have driven German cars for the past 20 years. And what you say has become more and more accurate.
In fact, I've got a good friend in the car business (just moved back to Detroit). He says the same thing.

My next car will be a Toyota or a Honda. Maybe a Subaru or an infiniti/nissan.
That's about the length of time that I drove B*** and Audis. Loved the performance. Hated the maintenance issues. When you have work and family stress, car stress is just something that doesn't help.
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
u ever drive an acura or infiniti or lexus?
the dials are all cheap plastic from the regular brand (honda, nissan toyota etc.)
the turn signal lever from a $40,000 acura is the same as from a civic...
... plastic with no weight to it...

a bmw or mercedes on the other hand...
its much better quality

OK ZHAN go inside a 45K infiniti M35 then talk about the damn quality......german cars dont have the attractive innovative look of Japanese cars
 

thomas martinez

Professional
Actually, the first airbag goes to GM. They put them in select Buicks, Olds, and I believe Chevy models as well back in the early 70s. Adaptive cruise, it doesn't go to the Germans, but I cannot off the top of my head remember who did. ABS, that actually goes to the British in the form of the Dunlop Maxaret or something like that they called it, part of the Ferguson system, which was applied to Jenson Interceptors, and even at least one early 70s Ford Mustang. It was four wheel drive and 4 wheel abs disc brakes.
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
IMO German cars are for rich snobs who dont mind paying 4K for a new bumper 100 dollars for a radiator cap....etc.. They just arent built to perfection and car like JAPS like stated earlier the production process is very meticulous. Japanese cars are built for the long-run not BLING BLING 2 yr lease car if u know what i mean....



I have a new budget due to the fact that my BRO has to also drive the car until 2012 we need a longer lastin car so were up to maybe 10-13K might be able to push it....any suggestion for a sporty sedan in this range??
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
NIce Cars Bro welcome to the automotive thread!!! :-D
The old Supra was a nice car and that one in the picture is in very nice shape.

I recall that the clutch on that car was pretty stiff though.

The earlier version of the Supra felt like a really nice Celica. Very comfortable ride. I think that they wanted more of a sports car for the second edition.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
IMO German cars are for rich snobs who dont mind paying 4K for a new bumper 100 dollars for a radiator cap....etc.. They just arent built to perfection and car like JAPS like stated earlier the production process is very meticulous. Japanese cars are built for the long-run not BLING BLING 2 yr lease car if u know what i mean....
One other point of interest is that the Germans and the Japanese both build
cars in the US and I know that the Toyota plants produce good cars. Mine was built in Lexington, KY and I took the plant tour and it was impressive. I do not know the quality comparisons on Mercedes and BMW production in the States vs Germany but I think that labor costs are far lower in the US than in Germany.

That's one other thing that's played out in the global car game. Asia is willing to keep its currency weak which is a plus for cars built in Japan. Europe's currency is smoking hot which means that anything shipped across the Atlantic gets jacked up.

I know quite a few people with B*** (X5s and M3s). To a lot of these people, it's just a vehicle that they've bought as their regular cars. Though they don't drive the M3s in the winter. These people have major accomplishments in their lives (as being the best in the world at what they do) and they've received the benefits for their hard work over the years. One of them did complain to me about a broken X5 windshield wiper motor that cost him $800 to fix and some other problems with the interior that he didn't expect on this class of vehicle.
 

ch4ng

Rookie
The old Supra was a nice car and that one in the picture is in very nice shape.

I recall that the clutch on that car was pretty stiff though.

The earlier version of the Supra felt like a really nice Celica. Very comfortable ride. I think that they wanted more of a sports car for the second edition.
haha thx. i try to keep it in real good condition. part of it is because of a new paint job. :D
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Just had a look at what the big guys drive:

Ballmer: 1998 Lincoln Continental (net worth $12.1 B)
Gates: 1999 911 Convertible, 1988 959 Coupe ($46.5 B)
Buffett: 2001 Lincoln Town Car ($44 B)
Alwaleed: FX45, H1, XC90, Phantom, Daewoo Matiz ($23.7 B)
Kamprad: 1993 Volvo 240 ($23 B)
Allen: 1988 959 Coupe, 1988 Mazda Pickup ($21 B)
Ellison: Bentley Flying Spur ($18.4 B)
Jim Walton: 2002 Dodge Dakota, 2000 Integra, 1998 Montero, 1999 Silverado, 1959 Caddy ($18.2 B)
Alice Walton: F-150
Dell: Boxter, H2
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
now that i look at it that supra looks like a AE86 Sprinter from arounf that era.....what kind of HP do u get out of that thing??


Also, anyone have a word on the Mazda 6???
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
One other point of interest is that the Germans and the Japanese both build
cars in the US and I know that the Toyota plants produce good cars. Mine was built in Lexington, KY and I took the plant tour and it was impressive. I do not know the quality comparisons on Mercedes and BMW production in the States vs Germany but I think that labor costs are far lower in the US than in Germany.

That's one other thing that's played out in the global car game. Asia is willing to keep its currency weak which is a plus for cars built in Japan. Europe's currency is smoking hot which means that anything shipped across the Atlantic gets jacked up.

I know quite a few people with B*** (X5s and M3s). To a lot of these people, it's just a vehicle that they've bought as their regular cars. Though they don't drive the M3s in the winter. These people have major accomplishments in their lives (as being the best in the world at what they do) and they've received the benefits for their hard work over the years. One of them did complain to me about a broken X5 windshield wiper motor that cost him $800 to fix and some other problems with the interior that he didn't expect on this class of vehicle.
I know MB has a plant in Alabama, but i wasnt aware of the Beemer plant....how is the qualoty of their processes i wonder....i also never thought about exchange rates being the culpri t dor high prices....

So in germany are B*** still ridiculously priced??
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I know MB has a plant in Alabama, but i wasnt aware of the Beemer plant....how is the qualoty of their processes i wonder....i also never thought about exchange rates being the culpri t dor high prices....

So in germany are B*** still ridiculously priced??
I think that BMW's plant is in South Carolina.

Cerberus is buying Chrysler. 80% of it. Daimler bought Chrysler for $36 billion many years ago and is selling them for $7+ billion now. Not one of their better trades.
 

gscone

Rookie
IMO German cars are for rich snobs who dont mind paying 4K for a new bumper 100 dollars for a radiator cap....etc.. They just arent built to perfection and car like JAPS like stated earlier the production process is very meticulous. Japanese cars are built for the long-run not BLING BLING 2 yr lease car if u know what i mean....
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THis must be the dumbest and most ignorant comment I've heard in ages. Germans cars are for snobs?? Dude- How old r u?
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
IMO German cars are for rich snobs who dont mind paying 4K for a new bumper 100 dollars for a radiator cap....etc.. They just arent built to perfection and car like JAPS like stated earlier the production process is very meticulous. Japanese cars are built for the long-run not BLING BLING 2 yr lease car if u know what i mean....
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THis must be the dumbest and most ignorant comment I've heard in ages. Germans cars are for snobs?? Dude- How old r u?
well snobs was actually a bad word.....i had a bad day and zhans comment abt plastic turn stalks was kinda odd......sorry

I am also quite young with many lessons to learn.
The German cars are for people who like the look, solid safety, and driving experience who dont mind the extra price at all......
All im sayin is that you have to have quite deep pockets to keep a german car for a long time:D
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
I think that BMW's plant is in South Carolina.

Cerberus is buying Chrysler. 80% of it. Daimler bought Chrysler for $36 billion many years ago and is selling them for $7+ billion now. Not one of their better trades.
What does Cerberus make???? I have Never Heard of :confused:
 

gscone

Rookie
well snobs was actually a bad word.....i had a bad day and zhans comment abt plastic turn stalks was kinda odd......sorry

I am also quite young with many lessons to learn.
The German cars are for people who like the look, solid safety, and driving experience who dont mind the extra price at all......
All im sayin is that you have to have quite deep pockets to keep a german car for a long time:D

I've had many japanese cars over the years and now own a few german and japanese. True- The japanese cars may be slihtly more reliable, but for me- the driving dynamics definetly are with the german cars I currently own or have owned.
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
Is benz a part of Daimler-Chrysler?? if so thats really the onnly good stuff they make i dont find any dodges or chryslers to be even OK cars
 

nhstennis

Semi-Pro
I've had many japanese cars over the years and now own a few german and japanese. True- The japanese cars may be slihtly more reliable, but for me- the driving dynamics definetly are with the german cars I currently own or have owned.
Post some pics of your cars......
I really want to drive a Beemer and see what all the hype is about:p
My dad's Infiniti seems to handle extremely well and has near-perfect driver commniaction(throttle response,steering..etc)
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Is benz a part of Daimler-Chrysler?? if so thats really the onnly good stuff they make i dont find any dodges or chryslers to be even OK cars
Yes, Daimler bought Chrysler many years ago.

DCX makes a bunch of vehicles which tend to be attractive to older folks. I haven't test driven their products in a long time.

You don't like the Viper?
 

gscone

Rookie
Yes, Daimler bought Chrysler many years ago.

DCX makes a bunch of vehicles which tend to be attractive to older folks. I haven't test driven their products in a long time.

You don't like the Viper?
I've driven some of DC's cars and the only cars worthy of mention are the newere 300C's, esp with the Hemi and SRT8 engine package and an older Viper GTS which was a brute to drive. Personally, I'm glad Daimler is dumping Chrysler. Lets see what the new company has in store for Chrsyler.
 
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