What do you think about a Novak Djokovic vs. Dominic Thiem USO 2019 Final?

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Djoker would struggled to profit the 17th GS title, the 4th USO title, the 1st successful defense of the USO title and the 3rd GS title in the 2019 season. At the same time, he would have the opportunity to avenge the loss from RG.

Thiem would reach the 3rd GS final and the first out of clay, further be able to become the first new GS winner since Cilic at USO 2014 and the first GS winner under 30 years since Murray in Wimbledon 2016.

What do you think @Meles, @Hitman, @NoleFam, @Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil and others?
 
This could happen actually with the right draw, and if one of Fedal falls earlier I think. I think Thiem is going to do well there this year and he pushed both Del Potro and Nadal hard in 2017 and 2018. If this match happens, of course Djokovic would be the favorite and I don't think Thiem has ever beaten him on hardcourt. However, this would be the place for Thiem to have more of a chance because on a faster hardcourt, it would be harder.
 
A final would be interesting, but Thiem will need to avoid Fedal to get there. I doubt he goes through Fedal in the quarter or semi and then through Djokovic in the final. The match up will be very different in NYC to what we saw in Paris, the wind will be a complete non-factor out there, that was something that disrupted Novak massively during their RG semi epic, and even there, Novak nearly got the win. The one thing that Thiem will not get the luxury of against Djokovic that he had against Nadal last year is court positioning, Djokovic will be extremely difficult to push back off of the baseline, and on a court which now always plays like it is partially indoors, Novak's more precision game becomes that much more effective. Thiem would have to play even better than he did last year against Nadal.
 
Brad Gilbert again confirmed he's "heard" the USO courts are as slow as last year, so a Djoker-Thiem final might well happen. In which case, Novak wins 6-2, 6-0, 6-1. Thiem in a major final is a joke and there's no hint that's changing any time soon.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
If it's 7-6 in the 5th for Novak, I'll allow it.
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I wouldn't. That would mean Novak will be cooked for the rest of the year and could lose his chance to equal Federer at WTF with six wins. Two massive back to back slams finals will likely cause him to shut down for the rest of the season.
 
Hitman said:
I wouldn't. That would mean Novak will be cooked for the rest of the year and could lose his chance to equal Federer at WTF with six wins. Two massive back to back slams finals will likely cause him to shut down for the rest of the season.
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Hitman said:
I wouldn't. That would mean Novak will be cooked for the rest of the year and could lose his chance to equal Federer at WTF with six wins. Two massive back to back slams finals will likely cause him to shut down for the rest of the season.
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I wouldn't ask for anything more after a 3 Slam season, in 2019. But I do like your thinking man. :D
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
I wouldn't ask for anything more after a 3 Slam season, in 2019. But I do like your thinking man. :D
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After losing the WTF in 2016 to Murray and then again in 2018 to Zverev, being one match away twice, I want him to have the best opportunity to fight for that title. It moves him ahead of Sampras and Lendl there also, who he is tied with now. These things do add up. A dog fight in the USO, after all the hell Federer gave him in W, not to mention the epic with Thiem in RG, he really doesn't need one in the USO final. ;)
 
MeatTornado said:
Everyone but Novak fans should hope for a SF instead. I wouldn't trust Thiem as far as I could throw him in a grand slam final.

It would be pretty funny though if Thiem's first slam was on hard courts. Just like his first Masters title.
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And first 500 title on hard.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Brad Gilbert again confirmed he's "heard" the USO courts are as slow as last year, so a Djoker-Thiem final might well happen. In which case, Novak wins 6-2, 6-0, 6-1. Thiem in a major final is a joke and there's no hint that's changing any time soon.
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More pathetic than Cilic crying in a Wimbledon final .....:giggle:

I dont think so!
:p:D
 
DSH said:
against Injurikori!
:rolleyes:o_O:-D

Please, STOP IT!
:laughing::giggle:
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I see how you ignore the fact he took Federer to five sets in AO, after taking out Nadal earlier, the same Federer who was in that Wimbledon final in which he cried. I think Cilic more than redeemed himself with that effort.
 
Hitman said:
I see how you ignore the fact he took Federer to five sets in AO, after taking out Nadal earlier, the same Federer who was in that Wimbledon final in which he cried. I think Cilic more than redeemed himself with that effort.
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and Thiem stopped Djokovic after the Serbian won 3 Majors in a row and won 25 matches consecutively.
 
DSH said:
and Thiem stopped Djokovic after the Serbian won 3 Majors in a row and won 25 matches consecutively.
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I am not crapping on Thiem, I am defending Cilic. He made up for the Wimbledon debacle by stepping up and pushing Federer all the way to a fifth set, he certainly didn't have an emotional breakdown there.

Thiem has been Djokovic's nemesis at RG the last few years, that goes without saying and he deserves full credit for it. But lets wait until Thiem also manages to take Nadal to five in a RG slam final, which he IMO should be able to do now, considering he is in peak and Nadal is way past his.
 
Hitman said:
I am not crapping on Thiem, I am defending Cilic. He made up for the Wimbledon debacle by stepping up and pushing Federer all the way to a fifth set, he certainly didn't have an emotional breakdown there.

Thiem has been Djokovic's nemesis at RG the last few years, that goes without saying and he deserves full credit for it. But lets wait until Thiem also manages to take Nadal to five in a RG slam final, which he IMO should be able to do now, considering he is in peak and Nadal is way past his.
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Read the post of BeatlesFan: she thinks Thiem is a joke in GS final, deliberately calling into question the value of Nadal's titles in RG (who was the winner in the finals against the Austrian).
Hence I make the comparison with Cilic, which is not superior to Thiem, if we put ourselves in the plan of discrediting all the competition of my favorite player's rivals.
It's a child's play, just in case.
 
DSH said:
Read the post of BeatlesFan: she thinks Thiem is a joke in GS final, deliberately calling into question the value of Nadal's titles in RG (who was the winner in the finals against the Austrian).
Hence I make the comparison with Cilic, which is not superior to Thiem, if we put ourselves in the plan of discrediting all the competition of my favorite player's rivals.
It's a child's play, just in case.
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I don't think anything can question the value of Nadal's titles. The guy is the greatest RG champion of all time.
 
Hitman said:
I don't think anything can question the value of Nadal's titles. The guy is the greatest RG champion of all time.
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But she said Thiem is a joke in GS final.
What do you think she implies?
 
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DSH said:
Read the post of BeatlesFan: she thinks Thiem is a joke in GS final, deliberately calling into question the value of Nadal's titles in RG (who was the winner in the finals against the Austrian).
Hence I make the comparison with Cilic, which is not superior to Thiem, if we put ourselves in the plan of discrediting all the competition of my favorite player's rivals.
It's a child's play, just in case.
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Yes he is. His results in Majors finals show that.

8-)
 
DSH said:
But she said Thiem is joke in GS final.
What do you think she implies?
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I cannot speak for her, I can only guess here. Last year Thiem's performance overall was quite poor, after one good set, he faded very quickly, and couldn't even contain a Nadal was starting to cramp towards the end of that third set. More was expected from him after having a very strong run to the final in the last few rounds. This year, I think he stepped up to make up for 2018, the first two sets were about as good as it gets, quality clay court tennis, and what we wanted. He faded really quickly after the second set, but part of that will be attributed to Nadal showing extra layers in his game that Thiem doesn't possess to the same degree, and he was very quickly outmatched, and a match that started off so intensely had little suspense from the third set on.

Now, this does NOT take away from Nadal. Last year simply had better consistency that Thiem could only match for one set, and this year, he played a very intelligent second half, ending points at the net and completely throwing Thiem off, who sadly had no answer to that.
 
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DSH said:
Give the Austrian a little more time.
He can "vulture" a GS à la Cilic.
:)

by the way, which are your candidates to win the US Open and what percentages you give to them?
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Cilic actually beat Federer en route to his USO title, gave him hell at Wimbledon 2016 and actually took him to 5 in another Major final. He more than deserved his wins and his prestige as a competitor. Thiem is not on the level of Cilic just yet (he might get there eventually, but not right now), considering that clay is basically his strongest surface.

I don't give predictions months before a tournament, as that is a pointless exercise for the people that want to show off for whatever reason. There is a lot of tennis to be played and a lot of things will happen until then, before that even makes sense to do.

:cool:
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
Cilic actually beat Federer en route to his USO title, gave him hell at Wimbledon 2016 and actually took him to 5 in another Major final. He more than deserved his wins and his prestige as a competitor. Thiem is not on the level of Cilic just yet (he might get there eventually, but not right now), considering that clay is basically his strongest surface.

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what about my question I am asking you?
which are your candidates to win the US Open and what percentages you give to them?
:cautious:
 
NoleFam said:
This could happen actually with the right draw, and if one of Fedal falls earlier I think. I think Thiem is going to do well there this year and he pushed both Del Potro and Nadal hard in 2017 and 2018. If this match happens, of course Djokovic would be the favorite and I don't think Thiem has ever beaten him on hardcourt. However, this would be the place for Thiem to have more of a chance because on a faster hardcourt, it would be harder.
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Novak will need to be as drunk as those clippings from shanghai 2013 for whole day to lose to thiem on a HC.
 
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