What do you think about the total gym for leg presses ?

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Be carefull with those anti inflammatory's and get off them as soon as possible. They have bad side effects including terrible dreams and blood pressure issues. Get some ice packs and ice gel to get rid of the pain.
Once the pain has subsided I would do an exercise where you roll up
A towel and put under your knee and then press on it for 3 seconds and release. Once you can do this then move on single leg gentle squats.
Please take care of yourself and be gentle.
So Single leg squats do help ?? According to Stack.com, it will Boost your power on Serves a great deal. I never thought doing single leg squat with no weights can make that much difference. How many Reps or squats per Rep ,,, should I do ?

Also 2 weeks of anti-inflammatory drugs don't really hurt anything. I know people who taken it for 5 month and nothing bad happened to them
 
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Ramon

Legend
You are probably right. but I refuse to buy those Barbells. I just like having lots of Gym equipment in the house. I need something to do without Barbells or something I can do with Dumbbells or resistance bands that will make my Leg super strong
The closest thing you can do with dumbbells is the Goblet Squat. In this video, he goes over the Goblet Squat at about the 7 minute mark.

 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
The closest thing you can do with dumbbells is the Goblet Squat. In this video, he goes over the Goblet Squat at about the 7 minute mark.

Agree, but that dumbbell looks like super heavy one like 60 lbs or something ?? my back might get hurt with that weight. Can I do the same thing with 10 or 20 lbs dumbbells ??
 

Ramon

Legend
Agree, but that dumbbell looks like super heavy one like 60 lbs or something ?? my back might get hurt with that weight. Can I do the same thing with 10 or 20 lbs dumbbells ??
You can use any dumbbell you want, but think of it this way. Would you rather use a 20 lbs dumbbell for 30 reps or would you rather use a 50 lbs dumbbell for 10 reps and get the same result? You said you want super strong legs, but you don't want to use heavy weights? With that kind of thinking, maybe you're just wasting your time.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
You can use any dumbbell you want, but think of it this way. Would you rather use a 20 lbs dumbbell for 30 reps or would you rather use a 50 lbs dumbbell for 10 reps and get the same result? You said you want super strong legs, but you don't want to use heavy weights? With that kind of thinking, maybe you're just wasting your time.
I don't doing the heavy work but I have a back injury /back spasms so if I use super heavy weight on exercise like that one, I might make my back injury worse and that would be really bad. so you recommend with 10 lbs dumbbells, I do like 60 Reps ?? is that like Daily or is it like once a week ?
 

Crocodile

Hall of Fame
So Single leg squats do help ?? According to Stack.com, it will Boost your power on Serves a great deal. I never thought doing single leg squat with no weights can make that much difference. How many Reps or squats per Rep ,,, should I do ?

Also 2 weeks of anti-inflammatory drugs don't really hurt anything. I know people who taken it for 5 month and nothing bad happened to them
Yes they do help once the inflammation and bad pain has subsided. (single leg squats ie). I wouldn't do them while in pain and once you start doing them don't forget to ice down.
Anti inflammatories: they all have side effects, the less the better. Voltaren is one with its fair share of risks. Cheers
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yes they do help once the inflammation and bad pain has subsided. (single leg squats ie). I wouldn't do them while in pain and once you start doing them don't forget to ice down.
Anti inflammatories: they all have side effects, the less the better. Voltaren is one with its fair share of risks. Cheers
Voltaren is worse than others ?? Where did you hear this ?? I was told by my doctor that ALL anti-inflammatory have similar side effects and Risks.............
 

Crocodile

Hall of Fame
Voltaren is worse than others ?? Where did you hear this ?? I was told by my doctor that ALL anti-inflammatory have similar side effects and Risks.............
Yes, here in Australia they are trying to ban this drug. Studies reported by the ABC here linked voltaren to 60 percent increase in heart attack and stroke.
Once I tried it and had bad hay fever and weird nightmares, not for me.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yes, here in Australia they are trying to ban this drug. Studies reported by the ABC here linked voltaren to 60 percent increase in heart attack and stroke.
Once I tried it and had bad hay fever and weird nightmares, not for me.
I may have to use Mobic instead then. I have some of the Mobic left from last year. but they all work the same way, in the body. way they work in your body is same so not sure what happened in the study
 

mikeler

Moderator
If you want strong legs you might as well do conventional squats to full depth (after you fully recover, of course). Take it from this classic video. "Squats are not bad for your knees. Your bad form is bad for your knees!"

So the last thing my ortho said at my last appointment was not to go past 90 degrees bend on squats or leg machines. He is also a good tennis player. I'm curious, since we don't get into a full legal squat position in tennis, how do you think this benefits your game? If you are more into working out than tennis then I understand. It's hard to believe but for some people, tennis is not their most important physical activity. ;)
 

Ramon

Legend
So the last thing my ortho said at my last appointment was not to go past 90 degrees bend on squats or leg machines. He is also a good tennis player. I'm curious, since we don't get into a full legal squat position in tennis, how do you think this benefits your game? If you are more into working out than tennis then I understand. It's hard to believe but for some people, tennis is not their most important physical activity. ;)
On that video I posted, the author addresses the issue of half squats (90 degrees) vs full squats. Proponents of full squats will argue that full squats are better for the knees than half squats. At the bottom of a half squat all the pressure is on your knees plus you need more weight to get results. At the bottom of a full squat, most of the pressure has shifted to your hips, which are better equipped to handle the weight. There are MD’s who do powerlifting (ie. Barbell Medicine on YouTube) who agree with that, and they compete in competition.

The MD’s who don’t agree with that are mostly doctors with very little first hand knowledge about weightlifting. They read an article about sheer force on the knee joint from squats and immediately just tell you not to do them, but they really can’t go into more detail than that or address the valid issues brought up by experienced lifters.

My own experience is that I used to have knee problems and they went away when I did full squats. I may get sore knees in a tennis match from lack of cushioning, but I no longer get sore just from running on grass or going up and down stairs. I think the body is perfectly capable of adapting to high stress loads, and it won’t adapt unless you apply those loads in a disciplined way. We are made to squat. Squatting is a perfectly natural position. Toddlers squat until we teach them how to use chairs. It is the way people from third world countries eat and go to the bathroom.


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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
So the last thing my ortho said at my last appointment was not to go past 90 degrees bend on squats or leg machines. He is also a good tennis player. I'm curious, since we don't get into a full legal squat position in tennis, how do you think this benefits your game? If you are more into working out than tennis then I understand. It's hard to believe but for some people, tennis is not their most important physical activity. ;)

Agree with your doctor about not going past 90 degrees. When we bend our legs for powerful serve launch, we don't bend past 90 degrees. Even Andy Roddick who had very deep knee bend and explosive take off, doesn't get anywhere close to 90 Degree bend.



and same with Pete.

 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
On that video I posted, the author addresses the issue of half squats (90 degrees) vs full squats. Proponents of full squats will argue that full squats are better for the knees than half squats. At the bottom of a half squat all the pressure is on your knees plus you need more weight to get results. At the bottom of a full squat, most of the pressure has shifted to your hips, which are better equipped to handle the weight. There are MD’s who do powerlifting (ie. Barbell Medicine on YouTube) who agree with that, and they compete in competition.

The MD’s who don’t agree with that are mostly doctors with very little first hand knowledge about weightlifting. They read an article about sheer force on the knee joint from squats and immediately just tell you not to do them, but they really can’t go into more detail than that or address the valid issues brought up by experienced lifters.

My own experience is that I used to have knee problems and they went away when I did full squats. I may get sore knees in a tennis match from lack of cushioning, but I no longer get sore just from running on grass or going up and down stairs. I think the body is perfectly capable of adapting to high stress loads, and it won’t adapt unless you apply those loads in a disciplined way. We are made to squat. Squatting is a perfectly natural position. Toddlers squat until we teach them how to use chairs. It is the way people from third world countries eat and go to the bathroom.


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At this point, I am 100 % sure that my current knee problem is because of those Leg press machine I have been using at LA fitness. I was told I should let the leg all the way to my chest which is very deep knee bend. I did this 100 times, 2 X per week with 180 lbs on the machine. This seemed to be a mistake since it injured my Left knee
 

Ramon

Legend
At this point, I am 100 % sure that my current knee problem is because of those Leg press machine I have been using at LA fitness. I was told I should let the leg all the way to my chest which is very deep knee bend. I did this 100 times, 2 X per week with 180 lbs on the machine. This seemed to be a mistake since it injured my Left knee
It's really hard for me to comment either way just based on comments on a forum. There are several ways to do a leg press the wrong way. It could be your positioning, or maybe your knees cave in during the lift, or maybe the motion is too jerky, or maybe you're hyperextending. There are so many variables out there that no one can really analyze without at least seeing a video or something.
 

Ramon

Legend
Agree with your doctor about not going past 90 degrees. When we bend our legs for powerful serve launch, we don't bend past 90 degrees. Even Andy Roddick who had very deep knee bend and explosive take off, doesn't get anywhere close to 90 Degree bend.



and same with Pete.

I agree that tennis players rarely, if ever, go past 90 degrees, but stopping a squat at 90 degrees really doesn't help you if it's actually worse for your knees than going to parallel. There are legitimate arguments that half squats (90 degrees) are worse for your knees than full squats.
 
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