What does Finland think of the rest of the world?

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Climate science has been seen as totalitarian by the croc as well, so he no longer knows the meaning of terms.

Then you have problems such as a desire to
label people and pushing your preconceived notions so as to not have a real open discussion of the issue at hand. That is a bit what you say you are against. Have you thought about that?
 
Croc, we have now repeatedly heard you are in favor of freedom.
Would you have the time to tell us whether you like globalists or not?
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Lifestyle in Finland: Instructions for Soviet Intelligence

Lifestyle in Finland: Instructions for Soviet Intelligence

A scout should know not only the language of the country he works in but also what and how the local people eat, what they dress, what books and music they like. I want to show you the educational album "Life, morals, and customs of the population of #Finland". It was created and used by #Soviet military #intelligence in the 1970s. Written and hosted by Eduard Andryushchenko. Video editor: Slava Chizhenok. Voice-over by Pavlo Morkovkin. Language editing and translation by Yana Badoeva. Design by Alyona Troyan. The source of an album: https://historyscan.d3.ru/posobie-dlia-sovetskikh-voennykh-razvedchikov-ok-1970-g-sssr-1927246/ I'm Eduard Andryushchenko, a Ukrainian historian and journalist...
 

Crocodile

Legend
Then you have problems such as a desire to
label people and pushing your preconceived notions so as to not have a real open discussion of the issue at hand. That is a bit what you say you are against. Have you thought about that?
Judging by the themes you are pushing In your points that’s how I see it.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Croc, we have now repeatedly heard you are in favor of freedom.
Would you have the time to tell us whether you like globalists or not?
No I am not a globalist, however like most things there are pros and cons. Some claim that globalism has assisted in reducing poverty, but at present the level of power they are exercising is heading towards tyranny. I’m more into local community and family and small business and charity. Also believe in having aspirations particularly for all individuals.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Oleg Gordiyevsky's Escape Across the Finnish Border




Thirty Years Later, Soviet-Era MI6 Double Agent Describes Escape From KGB

July 19, 2015 17:11 GMT
By Natalya Golitsina, T
om Balmforth

The KGB colonel knew his cover was almost blown.


Politiets Efterretningstjeneste (PET): Probably the most incompetent intelligence agency in the world

He had been suspiciously summoned to Moscow. They had got him drunk on cognac while a KGB general grilled him for four hours. He'd be executed if they could catch him. They seemed to be closing the net. But the MI6 double agent couldn't risk openly fleeing.

After he sobered up at home, Oleg Gordiyevsky turned to his last resort -- an emergency escape plan devised by the British intelligence services that was hidden in invisible ink in a collection of Shakespeare sonnets.

Pulling bed sheets over his head to elude surveillance cameras in the ceiling and walls of his Moscow apartment, Gordiyevsky soaked the book cover in water, revealing a set of instructions. He set about memorizing them.

The plan sketched out a risky rendezvous with two British diplomatic cars at the bend of a road near Finland. From there, Gordiyevsky would be smuggled across the border in the trunk of a car right under the nose of Soviet guards.

The meeting place was somewhere along the way, but he had only a description of the meeting place and no precise location.

Unsure exactly where to get off but having passed a big bend in the road that resembled the meeting place, he feigned sickness and nausea to convince the driver to let him off, and walked back along the road until he found the designated meeting place.

"I was surrounded by woodland where I laid down waiting for the diplomatic car of the [British] embassy. I lay there three hours waiting for the moment when the car was meant to come. At 2:20 a.m. two cars with two drivers arrived. They managed to hide around the bend for a few minutes away from the KGB car following them from Leningrad."

"I dived into the trunk of one of the cars. The whole operation took no longer than a minute, we managed to get going again before the KGB tail appeared round the corner."

Luckily, a slow goods train chugging through a railway crossing had separated the British diplomats from the KGB tail and put considerable distance between them. The KGB sped forward to catch up, but the British cars had waited by a small hill out of sight and the KGB overshot them.

"Our pursuers, having reached a traffic police post, asked the police: 'Where are the English cars?'"

"'What cars? No one has passed,' [they answered]. And then our cars appeared. They surrounded the English: 'Right, that's it, now they're going to arrest us,' they thought. But the KGB were also tired. It was half past five, Saturday, end of the working day. They'd been on duty since about 7 that morning and let us go through to the border point without checking us."

From the trunk of the car, all Gordiyevsky could hear was the driver turn on a piece of music by Sibelius called Finlandia.

"That's how I realized we were on Finnish territory."



In Finland, Gordiyevsky was let out of the stuffy trunk of the car and met by a young British diplomat named Michael Shipster. He called MI6, Gordiyevsky recalls, and announced: "The luggage has arrived. It's all in order."
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ussr-gordiyevsky-spy-mi6-escape/27137050.html
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Who is the 'they' directing globalism?

No I am not a globalist, however like most things there are pros and cons. Some claim that globalism has assisted in reducing poverty, but at present the level of power they are exercising is heading towards tyranny. I’m more into local community and family and small business and charity. Also believe in having aspirations particularly for all individuals.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's a pity that Julien Assange never escaped from the American empire and its alphabet soup of secret police agencies.

Oleg Gordiyevsky's Escape Across the Finnish Border




Thirty Years Later, Soviet-Era MI6 Double Agent Describes Escape From KGB

July 19, 2015 17:11 GMT
By Natalya Golitsina, T
om Balmforth

The KGB colonel knew his cover was almost blown.


Politiets Efterretningstjeneste (PET): Probably the most incompetent intelligence agency in the world

He had been suspiciously summoned to Moscow. They had got him drunk on cognac while a KGB general grilled him for four hours. He'd be executed if they could catch him. They seemed to be closing the net. But the MI6 double agent couldn't risk openly fleeing.

After he sobered up at home, Oleg Gordiyevsky turned to his last resort -- an emergency escape plan devised by the British intelligence services that was hidden in invisible ink in a collection of Shakespeare sonnets.

Pulling bed sheets over his head to elude surveillance cameras in the ceiling and walls of his Moscow apartment, Gordiyevsky soaked the book cover in water, revealing a set of instructions. He set about memorizing them.

The plan sketched out a risky rendezvous with two British diplomatic cars at the bend of a road near Finland. From there, Gordiyevsky would be smuggled across the border in the trunk of a car right under the nose of Soviet guards.

The meeting place was somewhere along the way, but he had only a description of the meeting place and no precise location.

Unsure exactly where to get off but having passed a big bend in the road that resembled the meeting place, he feigned sickness and nausea to convince the driver to let him off, and walked back along the road until he found the designated meeting place.

"I was surrounded by woodland where I laid down waiting for the diplomatic car of the [British] embassy. I lay there three hours waiting for the moment when the car was meant to come. At 2:20 a.m. two cars with two drivers arrived. They managed to hide around the bend for a few minutes away from the KGB car following them from Leningrad."

"I dived into the trunk of one of the cars. The whole operation took no longer than a minute, we managed to get going again before the KGB tail appeared round the corner."

Luckily, a slow goods train chugging through a railway crossing had separated the British diplomats from the KGB tail and put considerable distance between them. The KGB sped forward to catch up, but the British cars had waited by a small hill out of sight and the KGB overshot them.

"Our pursuers, having reached a traffic police post, asked the police: 'Where are the English cars?'"

"'What cars? No one has passed,' [they answered]. And then our cars appeared. They surrounded the English: 'Right, that's it, now they're going to arrest us,' they thought. But the KGB were also tired. It was half past five, Saturday, end of the working day. They'd been on duty since about 7 that morning and let us go through to the border point without checking us."

From the trunk of the car, all Gordiyevsky could hear was the driver turn on a piece of music by Sibelius called Finlandia.

"That's how I realized we were on Finnish territory."



In Finland, Gordiyevsky was let out of the stuffy trunk of the car and met by a young British diplomat named Michael Shipster. He called MI6, Gordiyevsky recalls, and announced: "The luggage has arrived. It's all in order."
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ussr-gordiyevsky-spy-mi6-escape/27137050.html
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
Much of this can be exasperated by sexual repression and cultures that don't respect female empowerment. In Denmark, there is a long history of women having strong voices and sexual freedom. There are serious legal ramifications in Denmark for sexual misconduct against women.
Many problems come when women want to be like men and men want to be like women. They are not designed to change roles. Each has their own strenghths, weaknesses and abilities.

Would Chung-Lee of Street Fighter want to be like Ryu? I don't think so. Nor would the players who choose her. Federer plays a certain way. So does Nadal and so does Hingis vs. Seles. Women players do not have to beat the men in order to be great. Male and female brings balance to each other and society. People should accept and embrace how they are made.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Semi-Pro
Sweden = pure hypocrisy.
As an example, prostitutes have literally no civil rights at all, "humans CANNOT be for sale"; what should not happen cannot happen.
Therefore prostitution is banned and prostitutes are excluded from the community of "good people". Women were put into the weakest position; now they get fu**** by government AND users/abusers/exploiters.

⬆ This is what Finland thinks of the rest of the world.
 
Sweden = pure hypocrisy.
As an example, prostitutes have literally no civil rights at all, "humans CANNOT be for sale"; what should not happen cannot happen.
Therefore prostitution is banned and prostitutes are excluded from the community of "good people". Women were put into the weakest position; now they get fu**** by government AND users/abusers/exploiters.

⬆ This is what Finland thinks of the rest of the world.
Not true. Womens rights and position is quite strong in Sweden. From where do you get these ideas? For starters, No Prime minister would ever get away with saying : I grab them by the.p....
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Semi-Pro
Not true. Womens rights and position is quite strong in Sweden. No Prime minister would ever get away with saying : I grab them by the p.
Thats not the point. Point is, Sweden bans people who do not want/can follow their system of suede-denim correctness and hypocrisy. They take a big part of their civil rights and put them under governmental oppression.
Swedish system works only for "good swedes".
And: aren't (female) prosititutes women too?
 
Thats not the point. Point is, Sweden bans people who do not want/can follow their system of suede-denim correctness and hypocrisy. They take a big part of their civil rights and put them under governmental oppression.
Swedish system works only for "good swedes".
And: aren't (female) prosititutes women too?
Sounds like BS. Are you Swedish? Are you a woman? Are you a socialist? Alt tight?
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Semi-Pro
Sounds like BS. Are you Swedish? Are you a woman? Are you a socialist? Alt tight?
Whatever. But it ain't BS to those who lose care for their kids or those who got punished for not following swedish idea of full correctness.
Working for a swedish company changed my view on Sweden, especially stayin there and talkin to people (but maybe i just attract weirdos, criminals and prostitutes such as socialists or women).
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
Now they closed the tennis centers in Southern Finland (for a minimum of 2 weeks), there goes the happiness. Through the turmoil of the past year, we've had the tennis to keep us smiling, but no more.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Semi-Pro
Now they closed the tennis centers in Southern Finland (for a minimum of 2 weeks), there goes the happiness. Through the turmoil of the past year, we've had the tennis to keep us smiling, but no more.
Tennis closed here since past November; they even tried to closedown public courts but people jumped over fences or removed barriers.
 
Whatever. But it ain't BS to those who lose care for their kids or those who got punished for not following swedish idea of full correctness.
Working for a swedish company changed my view on Sweden, especially stayin there and talkin to people (but maybe i just attract weirdos, criminals and prostitutes such as socialists or women).
Which city and company and for how long?
This Sweden bashing looks like a witchhunt, btw.
 
I guess thats none of your business, btw.
I would have thought you might be proud of your stay and your work in Sweden and feel like backing up your story a bit.. But I might be wrong about that.

Are you an ABBA fan?
I couldnt really say i was.
 
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Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Many problems come when women want to be like men and men want to be like women. They are not designed to change roles. Each has their own strenghths, weaknesses and abilities.

Would Chung-Lee of Street Fighter want to be like Ryu? I don't think so. Nor would the players who choose her. Federer plays a certain way. So does Nadal and so does Hingis vs. Seles. Women players do not have to beat the men in order to be great. Male and female brings balance to each other and society. People should accept and embrace how they are made.
I don’t see a reason why women can’t have an equal voice in society and enjoy their sexuality while still embracing their feminine side and female nature. In fact, I think it is very healthy for a society to have a balance between male and female perspectives. Go to Copenhagen and you will see that the Danish women don’t look and act like men.



While cultural narratives channel and interpret much of human behavior, human biology can’t be superseded. Much of human behavior that seems complex can be better understood by thinking of our primitive ancestors living in small groups. This explains the in-group (us) versus out-group (them) dynamic often used in politics to divide people with fear and loathing. It explains defining people by hierarchies and tendencies to submit to authority. We are not actively aware of these drives, but they shape the narratives of our consciousness.

When it comes to sexuality, humans can’t escape the evolutionary drives that predate civilization and all our cultural narratives. Men want to spread their seed and women have to carry the baby. Women tend to be less innately promiscuous.. The pill and contraception have given humans more sexual freedom, but women cross-culturally tend to be more selective about who and how many to have sex with, and take one-night stands less lightly. Of course, there are individual variations and exceptions.

Anyway, that’s only how I see things.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Some favoured berries that grow in Finland’s forests

Lingonberry (Vaccinium vitis-idaea). In September, Finnish forests turn red with lingonberries. The berry is known as the red gold of the Nordic forests, and with good reason; the lingonberry is abundant, easy to pick and incredibly nutritious. Lingonberries contain large quantities of fruit acids, which give them a sharp taste, and they keep well without sugar or preservatives. Because of this, they were an important source of vitamins and other nutrients all year round in Finland long before freezers were invented. Lingonberries can be used to make jam, pastries and juice and used in porridge and various desserts.



Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus). This grows in different types of forests all over Finland all the way to Lapland in the far north. In terms of the volume picked, the bilberry is one of the most important fruits in Finland, even though the harvest is prone to fluctuate significantly. Bilberries contain high levels of vitamins A, B, and C and of manganese, calcium and flavonoids. They lower blood sugar levels and are good for the eyes and stomach. Bilberries have a subtle, aromatic flavour, somewhat stronger than that of the similar, but cultivated, blueberries. They are used to make pies and desserts, whilst hot bilberry ‘broth’ is a traditional energy drink favoured by skiers in Finland.



Cloudberry (Rubus chamaemorus). This is the most valued Finnish forest berry and the most expensive to buy. Cloudberries grow best on boggy terrain in northern Finland, often in places that are well hidden and difficult to reach. If someone finds a good spot with lots of berries, it remains a well-kept secret. The cloudberry is related to the raspberry but its plants do not grow as high as the latter’s. The berries are yellow or reddish and have a sweet taste. They also have rather large, hard seeds, which may take a bit of getting used to. In Finland cloudberries are regarded as a delicacy to be served on special occasions — a cream cake topped with cloudberries is often eaten at family celebrations, when golden cloudberry liqueur is served with coffee.



Raspberry (Rubus idaeus). Clear cutting in forests is a controversial practice but it has at least one positive consequence: a few years after timber felling, raspberry bushes will appear in the space cleared. The wild raspberry has spread remarkably along with timber felling over the last few decades, and Finns pick these berries in the same way that they pick lingonberries and bilberries for extensive home use. Wild raspberries are hardly ever sold in shops, however. They are smaller and much more tasty than cultivated raspberries.



Arctic bramble (Rubus arcticus). This is rarer than the aforementioned berries and is regarded as far more refined. It is also related to the raspberry, but its plants do not grow as tall. The berries are red. Sadly, the wild Arctic bramble is becoming increasingly rare, but for some years now it has also been cultivated. Most of the yield is not sold as fruit but goes for the production of liqueur.


https://finland.fi/life-society/treasures-of-the-boreal-forests/
 
Croc,

Johan Norberg, the guy you posted a video suppose to convince us something with, is a globalist and makes his fortunes that way besides getting his commissioned work from the CATO Institute, known for its, shall we say, slanted ways.
So you are on his side i take it.
 
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We are not denying that Bart, however once you tax people over and above what is functional for private individuals to get on with their lives, well that is unsustainable which is what Sweden realised in the 1980’s.
Which lead to havoc in the early 90s and the conservative governments fiascos lead to inflation and devaluation of the Swedish currency Krona unheard of in modern history. Wasnt Carl Bildt was the man in charge at that time.?
 
Chris you need to grow up. Your problem with climate science is that you have a very extreme distorted view about things which is devoid of any logic;
Its exactly the opposite.its you that are entirely obsolete and firmly out of time and tune. Sorry old boy.
 

3loudboys

Legend
Some favoured berries that grow in Finland’s forests

Lingonberry (Vaccinium vitis-idaea). In September, Finnish forests turn red with lingonberries. The berry is known as the red gold of the Nordic forests, and with good reason; the lingonberry is abundant, easy to pick and incredibly nutritious. Lingonberries contain large quantities of fruit acids, which give them a sharp taste, and they keep well without sugar or preservatives. Because of this, they were an important source of vitamins and other nutrients all year round in Finland long before freezers were invented. Lingonberries can be used to make jam, pastries and juice and used in porridge and various desserts.



Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus). This grows in different types of forests all over Finland all the way to Lapland in the far north. In terms of the volume picked, the bilberry is one of the most important fruits in Finland, even though the harvest is prone to fluctuate significantly. Bilberries contain high levels of vitamins A, B, and C and of manganese, calcium and flavonoids. They lower blood sugar levels and are good for the eyes and stomach. Bilberries have a subtle, aromatic flavour, somewhat stronger than that of the similar, but cultivated, blueberries. They are used to make pies and desserts, whilst hot bilberry ‘broth’ is a traditional energy drink favoured by skiers in Finland.



Cloudberry (Rubus chamaemorus). This is the most valued Finnish forest berry and the most expensive to buy. Cloudberries grow best on boggy terrain in northern Finland, often in places that are well hidden and difficult to reach. If someone finds a good spot with lots of berries, it remains a well-kept secret. The cloudberry is related to the raspberry but its plants do not grow as high as the latter’s. The berries are yellow or reddish and have a sweet taste. They also have rather large, hard seeds, which may take a bit of getting used to. In Finland cloudberries are regarded as a delicacy to be served on special occasions — a cream cake topped with cloudberries is often eaten at family celebrations, when golden cloudberry liqueur is served with coffee.



Raspberry (Rubus idaeus). Clear cutting in forests is a controversial practice but it has at least one positive consequence: a few years after timber felling, raspberry bushes will appear in the space cleared. The wild raspberry has spread remarkably along with timber felling over the last few decades, and Finns pick these berries in the same way that they pick lingonberries and bilberries for extensive home use. Wild raspberries are hardly ever sold in shops, however. They are smaller and much more tasty than cultivated raspberries.



Arctic bramble (Rubus arcticus). This is rarer than the aforementioned berries and is regarded as far more refined. It is also related to the raspberry, but its plants do not grow as tall. The berries are red. Sadly, the wild Arctic bramble is becoming increasingly rare, but for some years now it has also been cultivated. Most of the yield is not sold as fruit but goes for the production of liqueur.


https://finland.fi/life-society/treasures-of-the-boreal-forests/
I used to get hold of a Lingonberry cordial - it was really refreshing.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Which lead to havoc in the early 90s and the conservative governments fiascos lead to inflation and devaluation of the Swedish currency Krona unheard of in modern history. Wasnt Carl Bildt was the man in charge at that time.?
Left wing politics and economic agendas do not work and have not worked. The destructive policies and practices have always ended up
In despair, poverty and disaster. I know there are a a growing minority of people who view the world your way , but this has been the result of the brainwashing that’s occurred in our educational institutions. You will just have to learn the hard way. The problem is that by the time people like you you wake up it will be a bit late.
 
Left wing politics and economic agendas do not work and have not worked. The destructive policies and practices have always ended up
In despair, poverty and disaster. I know there are a a growing minority of people who view the world your way , but this has been the result of the brainwashing that’s occurred in our educational institutions. You will just have to learn the hard way. The problem is that by the time people like you you wake up it will be a bit late.
Blah blah blah.
Did you not comprehend my post?
 

Slowtwitcher

Hall of Fame
Sounds forced and like an attempt to hinder freedom om the commentators account. Is it a true story?
Yes. He was also the inventor of "truthiness":

Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.
 
Yes. He was also the inventor of "truthiness":

Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.
Who was this jerk?
Sounds full circle DDR like..
 
Good for you mate, keep your head in the sand and deal with the consequences because that’s what you will have to do.
What is that supposed to mean?
Remember avoid reading the book i suggested to you about a month ago nanely 'Merchants of Doubt"by Naomi Oreskes.
You might even be in it in some way shape or direcr or distant form or norm..
Btw you then said you would read it about a fortnite. Thats a fortnite ago by now. Well avoided on the topic of Head in the sand you are a champ.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Croc,

Johan Norberg, the guy you posted a video suppose to convince us something with, is a globalist and makes his fortunes that way besides getting his commissioned work from the CATO Institute, known for its, shall we say, slanted ways.
So you are on his side i take it.
You just cannot handle that your narrative was destroyed with one video. The ideas that you constantly push on this forum, was destroyed with one video. You were so triggered you are trying to find any little angle to justify yourself and your nonsense . What are so worked up about ? Don’t worry you will get to live it soon and I don’t think, judging by how you can think, will you have the ability to do anything about it.
 
You just cannot handle that your narrative was destroyed with one video. The ideas that you constantly push on this forum, was destroyed with one video. You were so triggered you are trying to find any little angle to justify yourself and your nonsense . What are so worked up about ? Don’t worry you will get to live it soon and I don’t think, judging by how you can think, will you have the ability to do anything about it.
Im not worked up.
Im only telling you that your video is from a well-known rich globalist.
Do you trust globalists?
 

Crocodile

Legend
What is that supposed to mean?
Remember avoid reading the book i suggested to you about a month ago nanely 'Merchants of Doubt"by Naomi Oreskes.
You might even be in it in some way shape or direcr or distant form or norm..
Btw you then said you would read it about a fortnite. Thats a fortnite ago by now. Well avoided on the topic of Head in the sand you are a champ.
Well Im reading another book right now plus I work very hard. Have a nice Easter Chris.
 
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