What does it say about Carlos finishing the year outside the ATP top 2?

Will Carlos finish top 2 this year?

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Lleytonstation

Lleytonstation

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If Zverev wins tomorrow, Zverev will slide into the number 2 ranking, and therefore putting Carlos the Shepherd into third.

Does this mean he is not a top 2 player in the world? Or does it mean he just did not have a top 2 season this year?

How often does the guy who wins the channel slam end up in 3rd at the end of the year?

He does have the ATP finals, but it seems fast indoor HC might be a problem for him.

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RF-18 said:
2 slam year will make any season fantastic but for his standards he has been pretty average outside a few matches.
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Yep, the slams makes it a massive season, but overall I do have some concerns. Finishing 3rd would be an underwhelming finish.
 
Despite skipping Monte Carlo/Barcelona/Rome/Rogers cup, he has 10 losses. TROUNCED. Sent back packing.

Learn more and come. There is still time as he is 21 but don't allow his fans to make excuses here.
 
Feels very Rafa like when we are looking at rankings. Not necessarily a bad thing as Rafa won many slams and no one really cares about weeks at number one anymore.
 
He has the highest ceiling on tour but he lacks consistency all year round.

What would you all take if you played pro tennis? A higher ceiling or consistent all year round? I would take a higher ceiling.
 
Zardoz7/12 said:
He has the highest ceiling on tour but he lacks consistency all year round.

What would you all take if you played pro tennis? A higher ceiling or consistent all year round? I would take a higher ceiling.
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BOTH
This higher ceiling is ******** term

Tomorrow he goes out in R2 in Wimby and he would get virtually banished from ttw despite higher ceilings. Both things are important.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Feels very Rafa like when we are looking at rankings. Not necessarily a bad thing as Rafa won many slams and no one really cares about weeks at number one anymore.
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But...I think it makes sense a bit. Alcaraz is still fairly young, and to expect him to just dominate in every match, especially in an Olympic year is asking for a lot.
 
Aabye5 said:
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But...I think it makes sense a bit. Alcaraz is still fairly young, and to expect him to just dominate in every match, especially in an Olympic year is asking for a lot.
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Djokovic at his age had 17 losses. He is fairly young. It should be ok if he is not top 2.

While lets give props to Zverev. He is having his second or most successful year ever.
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
When has a two slam winner ever finished #3? It is unthinkable.
Having Zed finish ahead of you would be extremely embarrassing.
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Why is it embarrassing?
Do you celebrate when your favorite player ends year number 1? Or not?

Rankings are out there and best players get ahead more. Losing to Monfils/Botic/Dimitrov and now Humbert, it has to be humbling. Let's be humble and respect players.
 
He won 5500/6800 points from 4 tournaments, but I mean does it even matter given he keeps winning big?

He is only 21.5 and will get there with the consistency too.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Why is it embarrassing?
Do you celebrate when your favorite player ends year number 1? Or not?

Rankings are out there and best players get ahead more. Losing to Monfils/Botic/Dimitrov and now Humbert, it has to be humbling. Let's be humble and respect players.
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Has anyone ever won 2 slams and finished #3? Very odd.
So maybe we have found the Big Three: Sinner, Alcaraz and Zed.
:unsure:
 
InsideOut900 said:
He won 5500/6800 points from 4 tournaments, but I mean does it even matter given he keeps winning big?

He is only 21.5 and will get there with the consistency too.
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Maybe, but he could also just be streaky player. With the margins he plays, this might just be who he is.
 
Alcaraz's issue was that he underperformed at the other two slams, and even in masters, outside of winning IW, I believe he didn't make a single masters final. Lost semi in Miami, basically was absent on clay masters with an early loss to Rublev in Madrid, didn't play Canada, lost early in Cincy to Monfils, lost early in Shanghai, lost early in Paris. The slam wins will only get you so far, also no points for Olympics. Even at Wimbledon, he couldn't gain any more points, he could only defend them.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Maybe, but he could also just be streaky player. With the margins he plays, this might just be who he is.
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He is definitely not in a bad spot. I mean he was slumping post Wimbledon in 2022 and 2023 as well, so it's nothing abnormal, but he showed in spring-summer last year that he can rack up a lot of points in a short window (IW-Wimbledon), so he has plently of time to do better in the future.
 
Hitman said:
Alcaraz's issue was that he underperformed at the other two slams, and even in masters, outside of winning IW, I believe he didn't make a single masters final. Lost semi in Miami, basically was absent on clay masters with an early loss to Rublev in Madrid, didn't play Canada, lost early in Cincy to Monfils, lost early in Shanghai, lost early in Paris. The slam wins will only get you so far, also no points for Olympics. Even at Wimbledon, he couldn't gain any more points, he could only defend them.
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quarters of miami, he didn't make a semi until shanghai if in even that
 
Zverev had a great season in terms of consistency but only won Rome so far. I don't think it reveals any specific insight, it's just how the ranking works. Makes sense in comparison to Alcaraz and Zverev that Sinner towers over everyone right now when it comes to the ranking : went deep everywhere + won the title more often than not when he played.
 
Hitman said:
Basically he has underperformed outside of the slams, or should I say, outside of two slams. With IW really be the only exception.
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Even in slams, he has gone through 5 setters a lot in RG/Wimby. He is just too young. He overperformed this year I would say.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Even in slams, he has gone through 5 setters a lot in RG/Wimby. He is just too young. He overperformed this year I would say.
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Well, he did still win them. It's the rest of the stuff this year. The injury during the clay season didn't help, he basically lost nearly all his points from Barcelona and Madrid, and then lost points from losing early in Queens, then post Wimbledon he was bleeding points badly until Beijing, where he gained very little, considering he made the semis last year.
 
then the ranking system needs to be looked at.

There ain't know way wifebeater should be a head of a guy with 4 slams, with two coming this year.

Give more points to slams would be the best thing to do. It's what anyone every cares about anyway really unless you have a tough draw in the masters, or winning a YEC.
 
ollinger said:
Are you one of those moment-to-moment guys who feels a player's career should be re-evaluated after EVERY match?
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I don't think he is, but let's be real Zverev hasn't had a better year than Alcaraz, no one views Zverev as a better player than Alcaraz, has won less slams than Alcaraz this year, so this makes me think Alcaraz is the better player.
 
InsideOut900 said:
He is definitely not in a bad spot. I mean he was slumping post Wimbledon in 2022 and 2023 as well, so it's nothing abnormal, but he showed in spring-summer last year that he can rack up a lot of points in a short window (IW-Wimbledon), so he has plently of time to do better in the future.
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I would say I see more of a trend. But he is young so you never know.
 
Lleytonstation said:
How often does the guy who wins the channel slam end up in 3rd at the end of the year?
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The only significant zverev win in 2024 I can remember is the court case. No atp points for that, but you never know.:p

Apart from that anomaly, there's no reason zverev with his talent and some work on his fh and second serve can't be number one
 
Donkus_Reborn said:
then the ranking system needs to be looked at.

There ain't know way wifebeater should be a head of a guy with 4 slams, with two coming this year.

Give more points to slams would be the best thing to do. It's what anyone every cares about anyway really unless you have a tough draw in the masters, or winning a YEC.
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Correct. No player in the world would take a #2 ranking 0 slam season over a Slam-winning season.
The points need to be adjusted.
 
1. Sinner, number 1 with a bullet
2. Zed doing Zed things, just consistent enough to be runner-up
3. Alcaraz, hot when he's hot, but can be cold smoked
 
Aabye5 said:
Yes, it was pretty good, but here's a question for you. Outside of his win over Carlitos at the AO, which is spectacular, what's his biggest win of 2024?
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RG semis. He beat Ruud who last year thrashed him here and reached another final. Plus the whole RG AO run he toughed it out many 5 setters. Remember Rune in R16?
 
nolefam_2024 said:
RG semis. He beat Ruud who last year thrashed him here and reached another final. Plus the whole RG AO run he toughed it out many 5 setters. Remember Rune in R16?
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That's a good one, but a bit of a reputation win, perhaps. Even FAA has taken out Ruud this year.

Overall, four top 10 wins on the year -- Hurkacz and Tsitsipas at the United Cup, Alcaraz in Oz, and de Minaur at IW. Only one M1000 final. Compared to six losses.
 
Donkus_Reborn said:
the GOAT conversation literally revolves around it.

Zverev being ahead of Alcaraz in 2024 is the equivalent of Roddick being ahead of Federer after US Open 04
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First, the GOAT conversation is only a small part of tennis. And although Sinner or Alcaraz might win 25 majors in the future, they're nowhere close now. Everything should not be reduced to the success of three very specific players.

To build a career and not just shoot for some mythical future, you need to win at all levels.

No, this isn't quite on the level of Federer - Roddick.
 
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