What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?
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Robert Baratheon
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Please not again!!! The same shtick again and again and again.
RS
Legend
It is for an agenda lol.
NatF
Bionic Poster
You going to let us know what your agenda was this time? lol
RS
Legend
The same as the other thread lol.
NatF
Bionic Poster
And what was it in the other thread?
RS
Legend
The one that got deleted in less than a week the Sampras Federer Djokovic one i made a couple weeks back.And what was it in the other thread?
NatF
Bionic Poster
I know what thread you meant, but was the agenda behind it.
RS
Legend
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Lotus_Island
New User
2005 was a strong year. Two people with winning records over Djokovic resided in this year. Goodbye.
RS
Legend
Lots of great matches in that year.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Ok. Where would you put your vote?
Lotus_Island
New User
2006 was poor. Ljubicic, Blake, Robredo and Nalbandian with only 1 MS title and 0 slam finals between them getting into the top 8. Lol.
RS
Legend
I meant 2005. 2006 was worse because the best players from 2005 fell off.
RS
Legend
2nd half of 2016 lol. Going with 2004-06 for that reason.
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Lotus_Island
New User
agreed.
StrongRule
G.O.A.T.
How dare you. 2014-2016 had peak Murray on clay. A million times better than 2005-2006 Nadal.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
2006 was Baghdatis era. Need I say more?
AnOctorokForDinner
G.O.A.T.
Close enough it doesn't really matter.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
How dare you. 2014-2016 had peak Murray on clay. A million times better than 2005-2006 Nadal.
Lotus_Island
New User
RS
Legend
Is it GOAT points or slam matches won?
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RS
Legend
2014 was a good year. Djokovic was on fire/goating or had a tough draw at every event that year.
Lotus_Island
New User
But Cilic won a slam? He is the weakest slam winner in existence. He makes Laver look good.
RS
Legend
Laver is a top tier ATG lol and Cllic is not. USO 14 was a quite a good that tourney and Cllic played very well in those last 3 rounds.
NatF
Bionic Poster
All of the above, while spectacularly failing to quantify anything other than the top players in 2014-2016 having better year round consistency.
The funny thing with Lew is that he'll use stats to claim 2004-2006 is weak but he'll ignore the same type of stats when they show Federer in 2004-2006 >>> 2015 Fed.
But as he uses the word objective we'll let him off
Better than Gaudio tbh. Laver is a GOAT candidate as well...
NatF
Bionic Poster
What era should it be grouped with?
Lotus_Island
New User
All of the above, while spectacularly failing to quantify anything other than the top players in 2014-2016 having better year round consistency.
The funny thing with Lew is that he'll use stats to claim 2004-2006 is weak but he'll ignore the same type of stats when they show Federer in 2004-2006 >>> 2015 Fed.
But as he uses the word objective we'll let him off
Better than Gaudio tbh. Laver is a GOAT candidate as well...
Except Gaudio's run was far better. Coria on clay is clearly a better player than Nishikori on all surfaces.
Cilic also had a ban for some reason.
Gaudio simply lost motivation, and was able to beat Nadal a few times on clay. Could have been a very accomplished CC player if he stayed fit and motivated.
Cilic had an old man Federer and NIshikori. Not that difficult to be fair.
RS
Legend
It has actually been after 2012 we have not had the Big 3/4 playing well at the same time.
Red Rick
Talk Tennis Guru
Why is 17-19 so different fom 15-16?
14 is a little weird cause Nadal first made the Aussie Open final, and then basically almost died after RG.
Lew II
Legend
2014-16 vs 2004-06 Grand Slam matches won:
1) Djokovic 70 < Federer 73
2) Murray 59 > Hewitt 45
3) Wawrinka 50 > Roddick 38
4) Federer 47 > Nalbandian 38
5) Berdych 42 > Nadal 33
6) Raonic 37 > Grosjean 29
7) Tsonga 36 > Ancic 27
8) Nishikori 35 > Davydenko 27
9) Cilic 34 > Robredo 26
10) Nadal 32 > Safin 25
total: 442 > 361
2014-16 vs 2004-06 Grand Slam win percentage:
1) Djokovic 92.11 < Federer 94.81
2) Wawrinka 84.75 > Nadal 82.50
3) Murray 84.29 > Hewitt 80.36
4) Federer 82.46 > Nalbandian 77.55
5) Nadal 80.00 > Roddick 76.00
6) Berdych 79.25 > Agassi 74.19
7) Cilic 77.27 > Safin 73.53
8) Raonic 77.08 > Johansson 71.43
9) Tsonga 76.60 > Ancic 71.05
10) Nishikori 76.09 > Coria 70.97
average: 80.99 > 77.24
1) Djokovic 70 < Federer 73
2) Murray 59 > Hewitt 45
3) Wawrinka 50 > Roddick 38
4) Federer 47 > Nalbandian 38
5) Berdych 42 > Nadal 33
6) Raonic 37 > Grosjean 29
7) Tsonga 36 > Ancic 27
8) Nishikori 35 > Davydenko 27
9) Cilic 34 > Robredo 26
10) Nadal 32 > Safin 25
total: 442 > 361
2014-16 vs 2004-06 Grand Slam win percentage:
1) Djokovic 92.11 < Federer 94.81
2) Wawrinka 84.75 > Nadal 82.50
3) Murray 84.29 > Hewitt 80.36
4) Federer 82.46 > Nalbandian 77.55
5) Nadal 80.00 > Roddick 76.00
6) Berdych 79.25 > Agassi 74.19
7) Cilic 77.27 > Safin 73.53
8) Raonic 77.08 > Johansson 71.43
9) Tsonga 76.60 > Ancic 71.05
10) Nishikori 76.09 > Coria 70.97
average: 80.99 > 77.24
RS
Legend
2014-16 had a better Djokovic/Murray and possibly a better Federer but it is hard to rank because 2017-19 got more slams but no Djokovic to block him off like in 14-16. Nadal better in 2017-19 cuts for it a bit but not fully.
2017-19 has more depth but that lies alot on the top falling off and injury to top players.
I think 2016 is about equal with 17-19 but 2014-15 is clearly better.
NatF
Bionic Poster
2017-2019 is basically the Big 3 + NextGen. I'd say 2015-2016 is basically Djokovic/Murray/Fed and the remnants of the Djokodal gen + some Lost Gen thrown in. The upper card in those years is quite similar but the mid and lower card is very different IMO.
RS
Legend
I thought i would bring it back into topic instead of bumping up old threads.
TheAssassin
Legend
Going for 2004-06. 2005 was stunning while 2016 was just getting worse and worse as season progressed.
2014-15 were pretty good couple of years though, so I am not leaning strongly towards the previous middle of the decade.
2014-15 were pretty good couple of years though, so I am not leaning strongly towards the previous middle of the decade.
StrongRule
G.O.A.T.
2014-2015 were only good for Djokovic fans, not for tennis fans in general. Seriously, what great matches did we see in 2015? All Djokovic wins were routine and pretty much NID. Only RG 2015 final was competitive.
RS
Legend
RG and Wimbeldon were high quality generally. AO was not too good and the USO had a very good final even if it was not great.
NoleFam
Talk Tennis Guru
OK but this has to be one of the things that has been talked about over and over on here. The pattern is Federer fans will say 2004-2006. Djokovic fans wil say 2014-2016 and post stats to explain why, and even I have fallen victim to this. It's a neverending merry-go-round. One thing is for sure, both are stronger than 2017-2019. Only 2019 has been what you can call a good year out of those three years.
Lew II
Legend
Slams won in the top five years:
Djokovic 8
Nadal 4
Federer 3
Slams won in the bottom five years:
Federer 11
Nadal 6
Djokovic 1
RS
Legend
I have only seen it in a couple threads in 2018 but none this year. I wont do it again lol i will just let this thread ride out. This year 2019 has been underlooked it is not as bad as people think i agree on that. 2017 started of well until clay as well though.
StrongRule
G.O.A.T.
USO had a very good final? I don't think so. Federer had so many chances, but he just choked on every big point. One of the mentally weakest performances of his career.
Wimbledon final was only competitive for 2 sets, after that Federer's level dropped and it was too easy. And let's not forget Djokovic faced Gasquet in the semifinal. (somehow Nadal is always getting bashed for beating Gasquet in USO 2013 but when Djokovic plays him in a slam semifinal this is totally fine)
So yeah, the story of 2015 was Djokovic's rivals not being good enough to play a full match on a high level. They always collapsed after 2 sets or something-Federer due to age and mentality, Murray just due to being very mentally weak in big matches. Nadal was at the lowest point of his career. So yeah, this year was only great for Djokovic fans.
AnOctorokForDinner
G.O.A.T.
Young mugs sodding up? 2014-16 at least had some good shewings by Droll, Nish and Botnic as well as still occasionally sweet Birdbrain, Ferru, JWT. Second tier has been barren since Wimbledon 2017, ohyes we have epeak bo3 achievements with two YECs but cum slems and none can be found except Tim at RG.
Lew II
Legend
2017-19 is not weak, that's the resurgence of Big3.
Slam matches won by Big3:
2017-19 --> 170
2014-16 --> 149
2004-06 --> 120
Red Rick
Talk Tennis Guru
Looks at 2017-2019 Slam results
What next gen?
Level wise I think it's a very continuous slow drop. With some variation obviously. Absolute low was probably the first half of 2018 cause Nadal was pulling out of HC everywhere, Djokovic was still awol and even Fed was losing to Kokkinakis. Now the next gen is slowly getting better but Big 3 is still slowly getting worse, Delpo fell off again, etc.