What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?

What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?


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NatF

Bionic Poster
Cannot wait. Is it GOAT points or slam matches won?
All of the above, while spectacularly failing to quantify anything other than the top players in 2014-2016 having better year round consistency.

The funny thing with Lew is that he'll use stats to claim 2004-2006 is weak but he'll ignore the same type of stats when they show Federer in 2004-2006 >>> 2015 Fed.

But as he uses the word objective we'll let him off :-D

But Cilic won a slam? He is the weakest slam winner in existence. He makes Laver look good.
Better than Gaudio tbh. Laver is a GOAT candidate as well...
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder why 2014-2016 is so strongly seen as a distinct era

Ever since 2014 Big 3/4 have really been alternating sh*t years, so that variable has been pretty consistent. The 2nd line of contenders fell off pretty considerably all the way until now imo.
 

Lotus_Island

New User
All of the above, while spectacularly failing to quantify anything other than the top players in 2014-2016 having better year round consistency.

The funny thing with Lew is that he'll use stats to claim 2004-2006 is weak but he'll ignore the same type of stats when they show Federer in 2004-2006 >>> 2015 Fed.

But as he uses the word objective we'll let him off :-D



Better than Gaudio tbh. Laver is a GOAT candidate as well...

Except Gaudio's run was far better. Coria on clay is clearly a better player than Nishikori on all surfaces.
Cilic also had a ban for some reason.

Gaudio simply lost motivation, and was able to beat Nadal a few times on clay. Could have been a very accomplished CC player if he stayed fit and motivated.


Cilic had an old man Federer and NIshikori. Not that difficult to be fair.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
I wonder why 2014-2016 is so strongly seen as a distinct era

Ever since 2014 Big 3/4 have really been alternating sh*t years, so that variable has been pretty consistent. The 2nd line of contenders fell off pretty considerably all the way until now imo.
It has actually been after 2012 we have not had the Big 3/4 playing well at the same time.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
2014-16 vs 2004-06 Grand Slam matches won:

1) Djokovic 70 < Federer 73
2) Murray 59 > Hewitt 45
3) Wawrinka 50 > Roddick 38
4) Federer 47 > Nalbandian 38
5) Berdych 42 > Nadal 33
6) Raonic 37 > Grosjean 29
7) Tsonga 36 > Ancic 27
8) Nishikori 35 > Davydenko 27
9) Cilic 34 > Robredo 26
10) Nadal 32 > Safin 25

total: 442 > 361

2014-16 vs 2004-06 Grand Slam win percentage:

1) Djokovic 92.11 < Federer 94.81
2) Wawrinka 84.75 > Nadal 82.50
3) Murray 84.29 > Hewitt 80.36
4) Federer 82.46 > Nalbandian 77.55
5) Nadal 80.00 > Roddick 76.00
6) Berdych 79.25 > Agassi 74.19
7) Cilic 77.27 > Safin 73.53
8) Raonic 77.08 > Johansson 71.43
9) Tsonga 76.60 > Ancic 71.05
10) Nishikori 76.09 > Coria 70.97

average: 80.99 > 77.24
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Why is 17-19 so different fom 15-16?

14 is a little weird cause Nadal first made the Aussie Open final, and then basically almost died after RG.
2014-16 had a better Djokovic/Murray and possibly a better Federer but it is hard to rank because 2017-19 got more slams but no Djokovic to block him off like in 14-16. Nadal better in 2017-19 cuts for it a bit but not fully.
2017-19 has more depth but that lies alot on the top falling off and injury to top players.
I think 2016 is about equal with 17-19 but 2014-15 is clearly better.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Why is 17-19 so different fom 15-16?

14 is a little weird cause Nadal first made the Aussie Open final, and then basically almost died after RG.
2017-2019 is basically the Big 3 + NextGen. I'd say 2015-2016 is basically Djokovic/Murray/Fed and the remnants of the Djokodal gen + some Lost Gen thrown in. The upper card in those years is quite similar but the mid and lower card is very different IMO.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Going for 2004-06. 2005 was stunning while 2016 was just getting worse and worse as season progressed.

2014-15 were pretty good couple of years though, so I am not leaning strongly towards the previous middle of the decade.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Most Slam matches won by 10 players (since 2003)

2012 - 161
2009 / 2015 - 159
2014 - 154
2011 - 153
2010 - 151
2007 - 149
2016 / 2018 - 147
2013 - 144
2003 - 142
2019 - 140
2006 - 138
2005 / 2008 / 2017 - 136
2004 - 127
 
Going for 2004-06. 2005 was stunning while 2016 was just getting worse and worse as season progressed.

2014-15 were pretty good couple of years though, so I am not leaning strongly towards the previous middle of the decade.
2014-2015 were only good for Djokovic fans, not for tennis fans in general. Seriously, what great matches did we see in 2015? All Djokovic wins were routine and pretty much NID. Only RG 2015 final was competitive.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
2014-2015 were only good for Djokovic fans, not for tennis fans in general. Seriously, what great matches did we see in 2015? All Djokovic wins were routine and pretty much NID. Only RG 2015 final was competitive.
RG and Wimbeldon were high quality generally. AO was not too good and the USO had a very good final even if it was not great.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I thought i would bring it back into topic instead of bumping up old threads.
OK but this has to be one of the things that has been talked about over and over on here. The pattern is Federer fans will say 2004-2006. Djokovic fans wil say 2014-2016 and post stats to explain why, and even I have fallen victim to this. It's a neverending merry-go-round. One thing is for sure, both are stronger than 2017-2019. Only 2019 has been what you can call a good year out of those three years.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Most Slam matches won by 10 players (since 2003)

2012 - 161
2009 / 2015 - 159
2014 - 154
2011 - 153
2010 - 151
2007 - 149
2016 / 2018 - 147
2013 - 144
2003 - 142
2019 - 140
2006 - 138
2005 / 2008 / 2017 - 136
2004 - 127
Slams won in the top five years:

Djokovic 8
Nadal 4
Federer 3

Slams won in the bottom five years:

Federer 11
Nadal 6
Djokovic 1
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
OK but this has to be one of the things that has been talked about over and over on here. The pattern is Federer fans will say 2004-2006. Djokovic fans wil say 2014-2016 and post stats to explain why, and even I have fallen victim to this. It's a neverending merry-go-round. One thing is for sure, both are stronger than 2017-2019. Only 2019 has been what you can call a good year out of those three years.
I have only seen it in a couple threads in 2018 but none this year. I wont do it again lol i will just let this thread ride out. This year 2019 has been underlooked it is not as bad as people think i agree on that. 2017 started of well until clay as well though.
 
RG and Wimbeldon were high quality generally. AO was not too good and the USO had a very good final even if it was not great.
USO had a very good final? I don't think so. Federer had so many chances, but he just choked on every big point. One of the mentally weakest performances of his career.

Wimbledon final was only competitive for 2 sets, after that Federer's level dropped and it was too easy. And let's not forget Djokovic faced Gasquet in the semifinal. (somehow Nadal is always getting bashed for beating Gasquet in USO 2013 but when Djokovic plays him in a slam semifinal this is totally fine)

So yeah, the story of 2015 was Djokovic's rivals not being good enough to play a full match on a high level. They always collapsed after 2 sets or something-Federer due to age and mentality, Murray just due to being very mentally weak in big matches. Nadal was at the lowest point of his career. So yeah, this year was only great for Djokovic fans.
 
Why is 17-19 so different fom 15-16?

14 is a little weird cause Nadal first made the Aussie Open final, and then basically almost died after RG.
Young mugs sodding up? 2014-16 at least had some good shewings by Droll, Nish and Botnic as well as still occasionally sweet Birdbrain, Ferru, JWT. Second tier has been barren since Wimbledon 2017, ohyes we have epeak bo3 achievements with two YECs but cum slems and none can be found except Tim at RG.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
OK but this has to be one of the things that has been talked about over and over on here. The pattern is Federer fans will say 2004-2006. Djokovic fans wil say 2014-2016 and post stats to explain why, and even I have fallen victim to this. It's a neverending merry-go-round. One thing is for sure, both are stronger than 2017-2019. Only 2019 has been what you can call a good year out of those three years.
2017-19 is not weak, that's the resurgence of Big3.

Slam matches won by Big3:

2017-19 --> 170
2014-16 --> 149
2004-06 --> 120
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
2017-2019 is basically the Big 3 + NextGen. I'd say 2015-2016 is basically Djokovic/Murray/Fed and the remnants of the Djokodal gen + some Lost Gen thrown in. The upper card in those years is quite similar but the mid and lower card is very different IMO.
Looks at 2017-2019 Slam results

What next gen?

Level wise I think it's a very continuous slow drop. With some variation obviously. Absolute low was probably the first half of 2018 cause Nadal was pulling out of HC everywhere, Djokovic was still awol and even Fed was losing to Kokkinakis. Now the next gen is slowly getting better but Big 3 is still slowly getting worse, Delpo fell off again, etc.
 
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