What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?

What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?


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ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
USO had a very good final? I don't think so. Federer had so many chances, but he just choked on every big point. One of the mentally weakest performances of his career.

Wimbledon final was only competitive for 2 sets, then it was too easy. And let's not forget Djokovic faced Gasquet in the semifinal. (somehow Nadal is always getting bashed for beating Gasquet in USO 2013 but when Djokovic plays him in a slam semifinal this is totally fine)

So yeah, the story of 2015 was Djokovic's rivals not being good enough to play a full match on a high level. They always collapsed after 2 sets or something-Federer due to age and mentality, Murray just due to being very mentally weak in big matches. Nadal was at the lowest point of his career. So yeah, this year was only great for Djokovic fans.
Yeah. The USO was a good match even if Federer messed up on BPs.
What your saying about Djokovic competition in 2015 it was weaker than what he had 2011-2013 but he still fought hard for lots of wins.
Federer was not at his best in 2015 but he beat Djokovic 3 times and still was a force to be reckoned with.
And i was talking about Wimbeldon 15 as a whole not just Djokovic road. He had Anderson in the 4R which was difficult.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Looks at 2017-2019 Slam results

What next gen?

Level wise I think it's a very continuous slow drop. With some variation obviously. Absolute low was probably the first half of 2018 cause Nadal was pulling out of HC everywhere, Djokovic was still awol and even Fed was losing to Kokkinakis. Now the next gen is slowly getting better but Big 3 is still slowly getting worse, Delpo fell off again, etc.
I'm talking ranking rather than slam results. But sure fair enough. No denying it's been abysmal since mid 2016.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I have only seen it in a couple threads in 2018 but none this year. I wont do it again lol i will just let this thread ride out. This year 2019 has been underlooked it is not as bad as people think i agree on that. 2017 started of well until clay as well though.
If Djokovic hadn't awaken from his slumber, Fedal would have won 7/8 Slams without much resistance with Del Potro winning one from 2017-2018. They still won 6/8 and the level of play from players outside of them was just terrible. 2019 has been a Djokodal year at the Slams but Medvedev came on strong, Tsitsipas was good at times, Dimitrov actually learned how to play tennis again, Betterini and Rublev were OK and of course Federer was really good at 38. Clearly a higher level than the two previous years.
 

NFN

New User
2014-2015 were only good for Djokovic fans, not for tennis fans in general. Seriously, what great matches did we see in 2015? All Djokovic wins were routine and pretty much NID. Only RG 2015 final was competitive.
No. Your hate for Djokovic again. But when people start talking bad about Nadal draws you get all defensive.
 
If Djokovic hadn't awaken from his slumber, Fedal would have won 7/8 Slams without much resistance with Del Potro winning one from 2017-2018. They still won 6/8 and the level of play from players outside of them was just terrible. 2019 has been a Djokodal year at the Slams but Medvedev came on strong, Tsitsipas was good at times, Dimitrov actually learned how to play tennis again, Betterini and Rublev were OK and of course Federer was really good at 38. Clearly a higher level than the two previous years.
What? Dimitrov played only two decent tournaments this year, was losing early to mugs in all others. Also, his run to USO semifinal was extremely overrated. It included a walkover, very easy path to the 1/4 finals, an injured Federer. (and Dimitrov tried his best to choke this match away, he was broken TWICE after a double fault on break point, did everything in order to choke the fourth set, but Federer just refused to take it).

Sorry, but 2017 Dimitrov>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2019 Dimitrov, and I don't see how there can be any doubts about that. His AO 2017 run was so much better than anything he did this year.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
If Djokovic hadn't awaken from his slumber, Fedal would have won 7/8 Slams without much resistance with Del Potro winning one from 2017-2018. They still won 6/8 and the level of play from players outside of them was just terrible. 2019 has been a Djokodal year at the Slams but Medvedev came on strong, Tsitsipas was good at times, Dimitrov actually learned how to play tennis again, Betterini and Rublev were OK and of course Federer was really good at 38. Clearly a higher level than the two previous years.
I mean Dimitrov got decent 9 months into the year, don't remember Rublev doing anything other than beating Fed in Cincy...Better than 2017/2018 but there's a big gap between those years and a good year lol. After calling 2019 a good year don't let me catch you calling any of Fed's dominant years bad or even average lol.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
If Djokovic hadn't awaken from his slumber, Fedal would have won 7/8 Slams without much resistance with Del Potro winning one from 2017-2018. They still won 6/8 and the level of play from players outside of them was just terrible. 2019 has been a Djokodal year at the Slams but Medvedev came on strong, Tsitsipas was good at times, Dimitrov actually learned how to play tennis again, Betterini and Rublev were OK and of course Federer was really good at 38. Clearly a higher level than the two previous years.
Yeah Djokovic played very well from Wimbeldon 2018 to AO 19 that really helped bring it back. Federer was good from Dubai to Wimbeldon. I enjoyed 2017 way more due to the Fedal comeback though.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I mean Dimitrov got decent 9 months into the year, don't remember Rublev doing anything other than beating Fed in Cincy...Better than 2017/2018 but there's a big gap between those years and a good year lol. After calling 2019 a good year don't let me catch you calling any of Fed's dominant years bad or even average lol.
He got decent after Agassi. Rublev beat Federer and Wawrinka, beat Cilic and won Moscow in the fall. I said he was ok. I said only 2019 can be seen as good and Medvedev saved this year really. It's not a weak year by any means. Djokokvic was not dominant at all in 2019 in comparison to Federer in those years.
 
You don't agree?
Yeah, no way. Compared to 2018, competition barely improved at slams, was only good at Wimbledon either year. Winner's level didn't improve at all, better at AO and RG but worse at Wimbledon and USO. Masters continue to be messy, I like Medweed's rise but obviously he was a fair bit worse at Cincy-USO-Shanghai than Djokovic last year.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
What? Dimitrov played only two decent tournaments this year, was losing early to mugs in all others. Also, his run to USO semifinal was extremely overrated. It included a walkover, very easy path to the 1/4 finals, an injured Federer. (and Dimitrov tried his best to choke this match away, he was broken TWICE after a double fault on break point, did everything in order to choke the fourth set, but Federer just refused to take it).

Sorry, but 2017 Dimitrov>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2019 Dimitrov, and I don't see how there can be any doubts about that. His AO 2017 run was so much better than anything he did this year.
At the end of the day, he played great at the USO and beat an injured Federer but 2018 Dimitrov would have still lost to injured Federer. For the first time, he actually took it Federer and even I was shocked.

2017 Dimitrov ran over mugs in Cincy and WTF. Those title runs were beyond weak. 2017 AO ~ 2019 USO.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
He got decent after Agassi. Rublev beat Federer and Wawrinka, beat Cilic and won Moscow in the fall. I said he was ok. I said only 2019 can be seen as good and Medvedev saved this year really. It's not a weak year by any means. Djokokvic was not dominant at all in 2019 in comparison to Federer in those years.
I mean, Cilic is garbo this year lol. Wawrinka is a decent top 20 player and Federer was poor in Cincy - so yeah I mean, he's been ok but nothing to write home about.

Medvedev was good for sure, don't think he makes this a good year - more like a decent one.

And yeah that's because Djokovic in 2019 has absolutely nothing on Federer from 2004-2006 except the AO 2019 final. Djokovic from this year might not even win multiple slams in 04-06...
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Yeah Djokovic played very well from Wimbeldon 2018 to AO 19 that really helped bring it back. Federer was good from Dubai to Wimbeldon. I enjoyed 2017 way more due to the Fedal comeback though.
Djokovic saved the day, again. It was just a ridiculous low level outside of Fedal before that happened. Even with Djokovic back, it still didn't close that abyss in 2018.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, no way. Compared to 2018, competition barely improved at slams, was only good at Wimbledon either year. Winner's level didn't improve at all, better at AO and RG but worse at Wimbledon and USO. Masters continue to be messy, I like Medweed's rise but obviously he was a fair bit worse at Cincy-USO-Shanghai than Djokovic last year.
Compared to 2018? Who was good outside of the Big 3 in 2018? Del Potro and who else?
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
I mean, Cilic is garbo this year lol. Wawrinka is a decent top 20 player and Federer was poor in Cincy - so yeah I mean, he's been ok but nothing to write home about.

Medvedev was good for sure, don't think he makes this a good year - more like a decent one.

And yeah that's because Djokovic in 2019 has absolutely nothing on Federer from 2004-2006 except the AO 2019 final. Djokovic from this year might not even win multiple slams in 04-06...
I don't see the point in beating this in the ground. I said Rublev was ok. The player that I left off is Tsitsipas who was good this year.

Ok.

What does this have to do with 2019 being a better year than 2017 or 2018?
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Djokovic saved the day, again. It was just a ridiculous low level outside of Fedal before that happened. Even with Djokovic back, it still didn't close that abyss in 2018.
That semi at Wimbeldon 2018 some great hitting in that match one of my favs.
Even with Djokovic back 2018 was not a super year but stil it gave value to the field.
Hopefully it gets better in 2020.
 
At the end of the day, he played great at the USO and beat an injured Federer but 2018 Dimitrov would have still lost to injured Federer. For the first time, he actually took it Federer and even I was shocked.

2017 Dimitrov ran over mugs in Cincy and WTF. Those title runs were beyond weak. 2017 AO ~ 2019 USO.
No, he didn't play great by any means. I just explained how he didn't even play well against Federer, he was choking like crazy. Comparing it with AO 2017 is not just a joke, it's lunacy. This is the same as saying Djokovic in RG 2013 ~ Djokovic in Wimbledon 2010. Reached both semifinals, no? Dimitrov played a great five hours match against Nadal in AO 2017 which for once almost didn't involve choking. You really think choking like mad against an injured Federer and being straight setted by Medvedev is on the same level? ROFL.

You are trying to hype 2019 at all cost and bring down 2017 because 2019 was a much better year for Djokovic. But the truth is the first half of 2017 was much better. (Federer dominating in the first 3 months on the year, Nadal dominating on clay was much better than Nadal playing his worst tennis in Monte Carlo and Madrid 2019, because of which we got a Fognini-Lajovic masters final). Wimbledon and USO were obviously much better in 2019, but IMO not the other 2 slams.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
2014-2015 were only good for Djokovic fans, not for tennis fans in general. Seriously, what great matches did we see in 2015? All Djokovic wins were routine and pretty much NID. Only RG 2015 final was competitive.
2014 was well balanced, Djokovic didn't dominate it. And the thread is not about fans' enjoyment.

Quite a few Djokovic wins weren't routine though. Stan took him to five sets in Australia, so did Murray in Paris, he had to come back from two sets down against zoning Anderson at Wimbledon, and the US Open final was dramatic until the very end as we all know. Several of his matches in Miami and Rome went to a deciding set as well. Obviously he took his foot off the gas in some of these but it wasn't always a routine.

Federer played great during the summer, for older guy standards. Wawrinka had his best season. Murray didn't do well against Novak and Fed but he improved himself a lot compared to the previous year. The top 10 generally were very consistent against the field below them. Nadal missing for most of the year was easily its biggest negative.

2016 had more memorable matches, mostly thanks to what Delpo did at the Olympics and Davis Cup, but I would never call it a stronger season than 2015.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
USO had a very good final? I don't think so. Federer had so many chances, but he just choked on every big point. One of the mentally weakest performances of his career.

Wimbledon final was only competitive for 2 sets, after that Federer's level dropped and it was too easy. And let's not forget Djokovic faced Gasquet in the semifinal. (somehow Nadal is always getting bashed for beating Gasquet in USO 2013 but when Djokovic plays him in a slam semifinal this is totally fine)

So yeah, the story of 2015 was Djokovic's rivals not being good enough to play a full match on a high level. They always collapsed after 2 sets or something-Federer due to age and mentality, Murray just due to being very mentally weak in big matches. Nadal was at the lowest point of his career. So yeah, this year was only great for Djokovic fans.
Why only mentioning Gasquet? He faced Kohlshreiber in the 1st round, and Cilic and Anderson before playing Gasquet in the SF. Then played his greatest grass match ever in the final. You left those parts off. Nadal got bashed because he played maybe one player of importance before Gasquet. You're not a dummy and know the difference.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I don't see the point in beating this in the ground. I said Rublev was ok. The player that I left off is Tsitsipas who was good this year.

Ok.

What does this have to do with 2019 being a better year than 2017 or 2018?
Tsits was very disappointing in the slams though after the AO. Though tbf the loss at the FO was high way.

And nothing, just find it interesting that you would call 2019 good but have consistently claimed 2004-2006 as being on the weaker side from what I remember.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
That semi at Wimbeldon 2018 some great hitting in that match one of my favs.
Even with Djokovic back 2018 was not a super year but stil it gave value to the field.
Hopefully it gets better in 2020.
That 2018 Wimbledon SF was the best match that year bar none and before that we hadn't seen anything like it for well over a year.
 
Why only mentioning Gasquet? He faced Kohlshreiber in the 1st round, and Cilic and Anderson before playing Gasquet in the SF. Then played his greatest grass match ever in the final. You left those parts off. Nadal got bashed because he played maybe one player of importance before Gasquet. You're not a dummy and know the difference.
Nadal faced a very decent Kohlschreiber in USO 2013 and nobody mentions that. And Djokovic in USO 2013 was still a stronger opponent than 2015 Federer. Nadal played some of his best hardcourt tennis in that part of 2013, winning Montreal and Cincinnati just before that. Nadal is getting bashed because for some reason Federer trolls can't accept him winning USO. Somehow that hurts them more than Nadal winning Wimbledon 2008 or AO 2009.
 
Didn't we have this topic before? :D I would go for mid 00s, but mostly because second half of 2016 was a gigantic dud, national competitions aside. No disrespect towards Murray.

I think comparing the last three seasons would be more interesting. All the Big 3 had success in this period and it's hard to argue heavily in any season's favor to suit any of the agendas, since it's pretty hard for the field to improve or collapse drastically over night.

Then again, that argument happened before around here so maybe I am expecting too much. Everything was fine then 2014 Wimbledon marked the beginning of weakest era ever, no? Or how it suddenly became stronk era in 2008 when Fedr wasn't sweeping everything anymore.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
No, he didn't play great by any means. I just explained how he didn't even play well against Federer, he was choking like crazy. Comparing it with AO 2017 is not just a joke, it's lunacy. This is the same as saying Djokovic in RG 2013 ~ Djokovic in Wimbledon 2010. Reached both semifinals, no? Dimitrov played a great five hours match against Nadal in AO 2017 which for once almost didn't involve choking. You really think choking like mad against an injured Federer and being straight setted by Medvedev is on the same level? ROFL.

You are trying to hype 2019 at all cost and bring down 2017 because 2019 was a much better year for Djokovic. But the truth is the first half of 2017 was much better. (Federer dominating in the first 3 months on the year, Nadal dominating on clay was much better than Nadal playing his worst tennis in Monte Carlo and Madrid 2019, because of which we got a Fognini-Lajovic masters final). Wimbledon and USO were obviously much better in 2019, but IMO not the other 2 slams.
Of course it's lunacy to you because Nadal beat him in 2017 AO. I don't even need to say anymore than that. Lol. Dimitrov played great at the USO and had only lost one set before the match against Federer. Medvedev was the in form player this summer and almost beat Nadal so why is him being straight setted getting a laugh from you? I'm sure you were crying when it was 4-4 in the 5th set. All I have to do is go read the match thread to see that. Lol.

Why do I need to hype 2019? 2018 was a better year for my guy, and he was only good for half of it. 2019 was only a decent year for Djokovic and he was terrible at times this year. The first half of 2017 was better? Fedal won RG and WImbledon without dropping sets, in their 30's. Nadal I could concede because he was spectacular but Federer at nearly 36? Please.
 
2014 was well balanced, Djokovic didn't dominate it. And the thread is not about fans' enjoyment.

Quite a few Djokovic wins weren't routine though. Stan took him to five sets in Australia, so did Murray in Paris, he had to come back from two sets down against zoning Anderson at Wimbledon, and the US Open final was dramatic until the very end as we all know. Several of his matches in Miami and Rome went to a deciding set as well. Obviously he took his foot off the gas in some of these but it wasn't always a routine.

Federer played great during the summer, for older guy standards. Wawrinka had his best season. Murray didn't do well against Novak and Fed but he improved himself a lot compared to the previous year. The top 10 generally were very consistent against the field below them. Nadal missing for most of the year was easily its biggest negative.

2016 had more memorable matches, mostly thanks to what Delpo did at the Olympics and Davis Cup, but I would never call it a stronger season than 2015.
Exactly. The part in bold is EXACTLY the way to describe 2015. There were no chances for upsets. It was like this:

Djokovic>>>>>>>>>>>Federer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berdych, Ferrer, Raonic, Nishikori etc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the others

And you just knew the player who is an a higher stage at this diagram will ALWAYS beat the players at lower places, at least in big matches. Federer never really had a chance against Djokovic in a slam. Murray was useless against both Federer and Djokovic (that RG semifinal should have ended in straight sets, and the fifth set was a total beatdown anyway) and he only was ranked high because he owned the likes of Berdych, Ferrer, Nishikori. And THEY stayed so far because they owned the rest of the field, but they NEVER had any chances against Federer and Murray, leave alone Djokovic.

The only player who could actually cause an upset that year was Wawrinka, and he did it once in RG. Other than that, it felt like you always knew who will play in the final and who will win the final. This is why this year was very predictable.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Didn't we have this topic before? :D I would go for mid 00s, but mostly because second half of 2016 was a gigantic dud, national competitions aside. No disrespect towards Murray.

I think comparing the last three seasons would be more interesting. All the Big 3 had success in this period and it's hard to argue heavily in any season's favor to suit any of the agendas, since it's pretty hard for the field to improve or collapse drastically over night.

Then again, that argument happened before around here so maybe I am expecting too much. Everything was fine then 2014 Wimbledon marked the beginning of weakest era ever, no? Or how it suddenly became stronk era in 2008 when Fedr wasn't sweeping everything anymore.
We did have this thread last year i think but i have a habit of rubbing things in these days ;)
I agree about the rest.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Exactly. The part in bold is EXACTLY the way to describe 2015. There were no chances for upsets. It was like this:

Djokovic>>>>>>>>>>>Federer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berdych, Ferrer, Raonic, Nishikori etc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the others

And you just knew the player who is an a higher stage at this diagram will ALWAYS beat the players at lower places, at least in big matches. Federer never really had a chance against Djokovic in a slam. Murray was useless against both Federer and Djokovic (that RG semifinal should have ended in straight sets, and the fifth set was a total beatdown anyway) and he only was ranked high because he owned the likes of Berdych, Ferrer, Nishikori. And THEY stayed so far because they owned the rest of the field, but they NEVER had any chances against Federer and Murray, leave alone Djokovic.

The only player who could actually cause an upset that year was Wawrinka, and he did it once in RG. Other than that, it felt like you always knew who will play in the final and who will win the final. This is why this year was very predictable.
Lots of other years were predictable as well. When a number one wins a lot that is the way it is. Federer in 2004-07,Djokovic in 2015 etc etc.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Tsits was very disappointing in the slams though after the AO. Though tbf the loss at the FO was high way.

And nothing, just find it interesting that you would call 2019 good but have consistently claimed 2004-2006 as being on the weaker side from what I remember.
Tsists was disappointing at Wimbledon and the USO. He beat the big 3 this year which many players don't do in one single year. Even Medvedev didn't do that.

Again I said 2019 can be seen as good, especially in comparison to the 2 years that preceded it, and in general have said 2017-2019 is clearly weaker than both periods: 2004-2006 and 2014-2016. I'm not interested in getting on the merry-go-round and talking about 2004-2006 for seems like the hundredth time.
 
Of course it's lunacy to you because Nadal beat him in 2017 AO. I don't even need to say anymore than that. Lol. Dimitrov played great at the USO and had only lost one set before the match against Federer. Medvedev was the in form player this summer and almost beat Nadal so why is him being straight setted getting a laugh from you? I'm sure you were crying when it was 4-4 in the 5th set. All I have to do is go read the match thread to see that. Lol.

Why do I need to hype 2019? 2018 was a better year for my guy, and he was only good for half of it. 2019 was only a decent year for Djokovic and he was terrible at times this year. The first half of 2017 was better? Fedal won RG and WImbledon without dropping sets, in their 30's. Nadal I could concede because he was spectacular but Federer at nearly 36? Please.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody who says AO 2017 Dimitrov ~ USO 2019 Dimitrov should have his head examined, and many times. AO 2017 semifinal was a GREAT match. I feel sorry for you if you think Dimitrov in USO 2019 was even nearly as good. (joke of a draw, injured Federer, being straight setted by Medvedev who didn't play nearly as well as in the final...)

I guess Djokovic in Wimbledon 2010 ~ Djokovic in RG 2013.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Nadal faced a very decent Kohlschreiber in USO 2013 and nobody mentions that. And Djokovic in USO 2013 was still a stronger opponent than 2015 Federer. Nadal played some of his best hardcourt tennis in that part of 2013, winning Montreal and Cincinnati just before that. Nadal is getting bashed because for some reason Federer trolls can't accept him winning USO. Somehow that hurts them more than Nadal winning Wimbledon 2008 or AO 2009.
2013 Djokovic was a better opponent than 2015 Wimbledon Federer? Go look at the stats or look at the matches and say that with a straight face. Look, Nadal got lucky with his draw in NYC. Why can't you at least admit that?
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Exactly. The part in bold is EXACTLY the way to describe 2015. There were no chances for upsets. It was like this:

Djokovic>>>>>>>>>>>Federer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Murray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berdych, Ferrer, Raonic, Nishikori etc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the others

And you just knew the player who is an a higher stage at this diagram will ALWAYS beat the players at lower places, at least in big matches. Federer never really had a chance against Djokovic in a slam. Murray was useless against both Federer and Djokovic (that RG semifinal should have ended in straight sets, and the fifth set was a total beatdown anyway) and he only was ranked high because he owned the likes of Berdych, Ferrer, Nishikori. And THEY stayed so far because they owned the rest of the field, but they NEVER had any chances against Federer and Murray, leave alone Djokovic.

The only player who could actually cause an upset that year was Wawrinka, and he did it once in RG. Other than that, it felt like you always knew who will play in the final and who will win the final. This is why this year was very predictable.
Yeah, if only 2015 featured players winning Slams or reaching finals without facing anyone in the top 20, while other best ranked players were collapsing all around. :( Good thing we are seeing that nowadays eh...
 

NFN

New User
2013 Djokovic was a better opponent than 2015 Wimbledon Federer? Go look at the stats or look at the matches and say that with a straight face. Look, Nadal got lucky with his draw in NYC. Why can't you at least admit that?
He will not. He just a hater. Djokovic era was weak but cannot apply it to Nadal as expected and starts being defensive.
 
2013 Djokovic was a better opponent than 2015 Wimbledon Federer? Go look at the stats or look at the matches and say that with a straight face. Look, Nadal got lucky with his draw in NYC. Why can't you at least admit that?
Because it's not true. You just don't want to admit Nadal had a great summer in 2013 winning Montreal, Cincinnati and USO. His draw didn't matter, he was going to beat anybody in this USO.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody who says AO 2017 Dimitrov ~ USO 2019 Dimitrov should have his head examined, and many times. AO 2017 semifinal was a GREAT match. I feel sorry for you if you think Dimitrov in USO 2019 was even nearly as good. (joke of a draw, injured Federer, being straight setted by Medvedev who didn't play nearly as well as in the final...)

I guess Djokovic in Wimbledon 2010 ~ Djokovic in RG 2013.
Actually, anybody who hand wrings constantly in match threads about how his guy is going to lose the match because he missed a routine forehand at 1 all, and then proceeds for the next 3 hours to repeat over and over that his guy will lose, only to watch his guy win the match and then pretends he never said any of this and spends the next 2 hours gloating, needs their head examined. It's not even that serious as far as Dimitrov. Who gives a s**t?
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
He will not. He just a hater. Djokovic era was weak but cannot apply it to Nadal as expected and starts being defensive.
He is a Djokovic hater. He cannot accept the losses Djokovic handed to his guy so he spends the majority of his time trying to tear those wins down. Pretty transparent. It makes sense though since he is hopy from Youtube. It explains everything.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Because it's not true. You just don't want to admit Nadal had a great summer in 2013 winning Montreal, Cincinnati and USO. His draw didn't matter, he was going to beat anybody in this USO.
It is true. Nadal did have a great summer but that doesn't deter from the fact that he got lucky with his draw in NY.
 

NFN

New User
He is a Djokovic hater. He cannot accept the losses Djokovic handed to his guy so he spends the majority of his time trying to tear those wins down. Pretty transparent. It makes sense though since he is hopy from Youtube. It explains everything.
Yeah just read what he said above. Nadal would have won regardless in USO 13 but cannot apply it to Djokovic in 2015 typical.
He doesnt even bash Federer.
 
It is true. Nadal did have a great summer but that doesn't deter from the fact that he got lucky with his draw in NY.
No, he didn't. Give me a harder draw then. He faced a decent Kohlschreiber in the fourth round, Djokovic faced Granollers (who the hell is that?) at the same stage. Djokovic's path to the semifinals was just as easy, if not easier. Wawrinka was obviously tougher than Gasquet, but Nadal in his USO 2013 form would probably beat this Wawrinka easier than Djokovic did.
 

Lotus_Island

New User
Laver is a top tier ATG lol and Cllic is not. USO 14 was a quite a good that tourney and Cllic played very well in those last 3 rounds.
Have you seen Laver play? It was boring.

Being an ATG in that kind of era isn't difficult. Laver would basically be feeding of scraps in the time of Nadal, Djokovic and Federer.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Yeah just read what he said above. Nadal would have won regardless in USO 13 but cannot apply it to Djokovic in 2015 typical.
He doesnt even bash Federer.
Of course and Djokovic in 2015 is clearly > than Nadal in 2013. Yea because Federer didn't have as many big wins against Nadal and didn't dominate him as much (7 wins in a row twice).
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
No, he didn't. Give me a harder draw then. He faced a decent Kohlschreiber in the fourth round, Djokovic faced Granollers (who the hell is that?) at the same stage. Djokovic's path to the semifinals was just as easy, if not easier. Wawrinka was obviously tougher than Gasquet, but Nadal in his USO 2013 form would probably beat this Wawrinka easier than Djokovic did.
Lol.
 

Lotus_Island

New User
No, he didn't. Give me a harder draw then. He faced a decent Kohlschreiber in the fourth round, Djokovic faced Granollers (who the hell is that?) at the same stage. Djokovic's path to the semifinals was just as easy, if not easier. Wawrinka was obviously tougher than Gasquet, but Nadal in his USO 2013 form would probably beat this Wawrinka easier than Djokovic did.

Are you even trying to argue Nadal's US Open draws over the years have not been weak?????
 
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