What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?

What era was stronger 2004-2006 or 2014-2016?


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NatF

Bionic Poster
How would you compare 2008 and 2013 these years? Think you told me elsewhere you felt 2013 was overrated.
Its overrated when it's compared to 2011-2012 imo. It's a weird year because Nadal never played Murray who despite the ranking was obviously #3 that year. I think Djokovic had fierce competition that year but from Nadal's perspective? It was good but not sensational.

I'd put 2008 at number one and 2013 in the with 2004/2005/2014 probably.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Different Big Tournament finalists in a year since 2003:

2011 / 2015 - 7
2007 - 8
2009 / 2012 / 2013 / 2016 - 9
2014 - 10
2008 - 11
2004 / 2005 / 2010 / 2019 - 12
2006 / 2018 - 13
2017 - 14
2003 - 18
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Different Big Tournament finalists in a year since 2003:

2011 / 2015 - 7
2007 - 8
2009 / 2012 / 2013 / 2016 - 9
2014 - 10
2008 - 11
2004 / 2005 / 2010 / 2019 - 12
2006 / 2018 - 13
2017 - 14
2003 - 18
What’s this meant to show? That 2014-16 was more thick at the top?
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Apparently less players being good enough to make big finals is indicative of a strong year? :unsure:
Yes. It means there were more players at ATG level, with many big finals in a year.

You can see that years you consider weak as 2010 and 2017-19 are at the bottom.

Do the same for 2003-06.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yes. It means there were more players at ATG level, with many big finals in a year.

You can see that years you consider weak as 2010 and 2017-19 are at the bottom.

Do the same for 2003-06.
Nah. I would think both extremes are bad. But there's definite way to tell.
 
2016 strong year, huh.

6-1 7-5 7-6(3)

6-2 6-0

6-3 6-3

7-5 5-7 6-0

6-2 3-6 6-3

6-3 6-3

3-6 6-1 6-2 6-4

6-4 7-6(3) 7-6(2)

6-3 7-5

6-4 7-5

6-7(1) 6-4 7-5 6-3

7-6(1) 6-1

6-3 6-7(4) 6-4

6-3 6-4
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
2016 strong year, huh.

6-1 7-5 7-6(3)

6-2 6-0

6-3 6-3

7-5 5-7 6-0

6-2 3-6 6-3

6-3 6-3

3-6 6-1 6-2 6-4

6-4 7-6(3) 7-6(2)

6-3 7-5

6-4 7-5

6-7(1) 6-4 7-5 6-3

7-6(1) 6-1

6-3 6-7(4) 6-4

6-3 6-4
What are the years with the most balanced big tournament finals?

Make a stat.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Its overrated when it's compared to 2011-2012 imo. It's a weird year because Nadal never played Murray who despite the ranking was obviously #3 that year. I think Djokovic had fierce competition that year but from Nadal's perspective? It was good but not sensational.

I'd put 2008 at number one and 2013 in the with 2004/2005/2014 probably.
Yes Nadal USO draw brings his competition down than year other than that at all other big events save from maybe Madrid he had at least one really tough opponent.

2013 was a little lower than 2011 and more clearly lower than 2012 due to Federer being off though and Murray2013 in the 2nd half falling due to injury and time off. I think 2013 is probably a little below 2008 too but it might be better than everything after it which is like 6 seasons in a row.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yes Nadal USO draw brings his competition down than year other than that at all other big events save from maybe Madrid he had at least one really tough opponent.

2013 was a little lower than 2011 and more clearly lower than 2012 due to Federer being off though and Murray2013 in the 2nd half falling due to injury and time off. I think 2013 is probably a little below 2008 too but it might be better than everything after it which is like 6 seasons in a row.
I quite like 2014 as I think depth wise it was good, but looking at the slam finalists in 2013 and 2014 I'd give 2013 the edge every time except at Wimbledon - though if I did the same exercise for 2006 I'd probably back the 2006 finalists in every slam but the AO so maybe it's meaningless :laughing:
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
I quite like 2014 as I think depth wise it was good, but looking at the slam finalists in 2013 and 2014 I'd give 2013 the edge every time except at Wimbledon - though if I did the same exercise for 2006 I'd probably back the 2006 finalists in every slam but the AO so maybe it's meaningless :laughing:
Federer of AO 2006 would have good chance vs Stan of AO14. With the injury not fully healed maybe Stan edges it.
Nadal of FO 06 and Nadal FO14 is close as well IMO. Maybe 2006 would wear 2014 Nadal down in 5 or something.
In 2013 Murray and Nadal were better but Federer was worse and Djokovic was probably a bit worse or at least the same. Wawrinka was better in 2014 but Ferrer,Berdych,Tsonga we’re better in 2013 than in 2014. Lost Gen better in 2014. So maybe it’s not a big difference. Djokovic had tougher draws in 2013 too I think.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
2004-2006 had peak Federer on grass and close to peak or at least way better than 2014-2016 version of Nadal in clay. On hard you may have an argument for 2014-2016, with Djokovic, but he was not as consistent as Federer was in 2004-2006. Federer 2004-2006: 5 HC slams. Djokovic 2014-2016: 3 HC slams.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
2004-2006 had peak Federer on grass and close to peak or at least way better than 2014-2016 version of Nadal in clay. On hard you may have an argument for 2014-2016, with Djokovic, but he was not as consistent as Federer was in 2004-2006. Federer 2004-2006: 5 HC slams. Djokovic 2014-2016: 3 HC slams.
There's really very little to separate these 2 periods other than personal bias.

Overall, 2004-2006 had one peak ATG, one old ATG and one young ATG.

2014-2016 had one peak ATG and one old ATG. Also a decent one for half a year (Nadal from January 2014 to June 2014).
 

NFN

New User
There's really very little to separate these 2 periods other than personal bias.

Overall, 2004-2006 had one peak ATG, one old ATG and one young ATG.

2014-2016 had one peak ATG and one old ATG. Also a decent one for half a year (Nadal from January 2014 to June 2014).
Nadal was decent/good in the indoor swing of 2015 until his wrist injury on clay in 2016 as well.
 
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