What exactly was the rationale behind ITF declaring Nole as world champion for 2013?

MonkeyBoy

Hall of Fame
Nadal
Ranking points: 13,030
Slams: 2
WTF: 0
Masters: 5
Titles: 10

Djokovic
Ranking points: 12,260
Slams: 1
WTF: 1
Masters: 3
Titles: 7

I see absolutely no argument for this. Novak had a better ending to the season and that was it. Let us also not forget that Nadal was coming off a career threatening injury layoff and only played 3 slams.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Probably because he won the WTF and spent most the season as the #1 player.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
I think it was purely awarded on the overall points tally from the ITF events only, maybe including also the YEC's (maybe not)?
 

Goosehead

Legend
it wasn't the results..but rumour has it that the itf took a dim view of his moaning and whining about the tour. :confused:
 

Chico

Banned
Nadal
Ranking points: 13,030
Slams: 2
WTF: 0
Masters: 5
Titles: 10

Djokovic
Ranking points: 12,260
Slams: 1
WTF: 1
Masters: 3
Titles: 7

I see absolutely no argument for this. Novak had a better ending to the season and that was it. Let us also not forget that Nadal was coming off a career threatening injury layoff and only played 3 slams.

Because, even if we forget about Pascal Maria factor, Novak was clearly better player than Nadal that year to anyone impartial. Nadal was ahead on ranking points only due to MM clay court points (Vina Del Mar, Sao Paolo, Acapulco, Barcelona, ...) while Novak had way more Slam and Masters points than Nadal.

5120 slam points >>>>> 4010 slam points.
i.e. 1 title + 2 finals + 1 SF (de facto final) >>>>>> 2 titles + MIA + embarrassing 1st round loss.

WTF + 3 Masters + 2 meaningful 500s (Dubai and Beijing) >>>>> 5 Masters and nothing else.

ITF knows what it is doing and Novak was quite deserving player of the year.
 
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Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic spent most of the year at no.1, more slam finals reached, not to mention nadals horror Wimbledon. djokovic also won the WTF. He helped Serbia to reach the davis cup final, so its not as one-sided as you may think
 

firepanda

Professional
Ah. Davis cup. That would explain it, since I think ITF pays attention to that, while it isn't worth points to ATP.
 

Tennis7296

New User
I think it was purely awarded on the overall points tally from the ITF events only, maybe including also the YEC's (maybe not)?

The ITF World Champion is the player with most points at ITF events: Grand Slams and Davis Cup.
Djokovic: W - SF - F - F DC W
2000 + 720 + 1200 + 1200 + 500 = 5620
Nadal: A - W - 1R - A DC PO
0 + 2000 + 10 + 2000 + 10 = 4020
So, Djokovic was clearly better at ITF events and hence he was named its World Champion.
However, that doesn´t mean he was the best at the ATP World Tour. I would say Nadal was undoubtely the no. 1 in 2013.
 

conway

Banned
Who knows. They picked Myskina as ITF player of the year once too. They are mostly a clown award, so I doubt any logic is involved. Kind of like Sports Illustrated or ESPY awards.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Who knows. They picked Myskina as ITF player of the year once too. They are mostly a clown award, so I doubt any logic is involved. Kind of like Sports Illustrated or ESPY awards.

Read post #13 and it will make perfect sense why the ITF gave Djokovic the award.
 

conway

Banned
Read post #13 and it will make perfect sense why the ITF gave Djokovic the award.

I did read the post and I highly doubt Myskina collected the most points in those particular events the year she won it. And I know that no chance in hell Wozniacki did in 2010 when she won it. I don't know if you follow womens tennis but if you do, I know that you are aware I am right on both those cases. So I doubt it is that.

Either way it is meaningless. Everyone knows Nadal is the #1 for 2013 hands down.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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the same rationale that awards the WTF winner up to 1500 ranking points: politics...

I don't see a problem about receiving 1500 points (if you win all five matches) for the WTF title. Player faces top eight players of that year so, on paper, it's tougher to win this title than Masters 1000. Plus, this tournament has had a very long tradition, it's not like Dubai or something like that.
Maybe you're a little bit angry because your boy Rafa hasn't won it yet? ;)

I agree about ITF, completely ridiculous and politically motivated decision.
 

conway

Banned
I think if a slam is 2000 and a masters 1000, then 1500 is about right for a WTF. I would put the WTF between the slams and a Masters in importance. Maybe closer to a Masters than a slam, so I might differ slightly from their ratio, but not that much. I don't believe the WTF carries the importance it did in the 70s and 80s when the Australian and French Opens weren't even fully equal slams to the other two, but it is still more important than a regular Masters. Had I devised an 80s ranking system I would have had the WTF closer to a slam than a regular Masters, and probably given out less points altogether for the Australian Open than Wimbledon or the U.S Open. Not quite the same now though.

However two big changes I would make in the ranking system is I believe a slam is worth much more than twice what a Masters is (or a WTF being worth 3/4 as much as a slam). I don't believe this is accurate, and the gap should be much more. Also there should be a bigger gap between winning events and other results. A runner up in events gets 60% of the points of the winner and I don't agree with this. I would have it more like 35% to have a bigger emphasis on winning events as the ultimate goal. The ratio down after that from a final to semi to quarter is about right.

And while I know the WTA and ATP use different systems, a way to foolproof the system with the changes I suggested would be to check if Wozniacki still ends 2010 and 2011 at #1 over Clijsters and Kvitova. So if she doesn't then that is proof the system works better. Then if she still does then I would have to rethink my ideas. For that matter if she finishes 2011 any higher than #4, that would be the best indicator if the proposed system works well or not. I know it still isn't all about slams, and for instance I had no problem whatsoever with Safina being ranked #1 in 2009 when Serena was barely playing at all outside the slams, and unlike Wozniacki you had Safina performing well in slams (despite not winning) regularly.
 
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Mr.Snrub

Banned
The ITF World Champion is the player with most points at ITF events: Grand Slams and Davis Cup.
Djokovic: W - SF - F - F DC W
2000 + 720 + 1200 + 1200 + 500 = 5620
Nadal: A - W - 1R - A DC PO
0 + 2000 + 10 + 2000 + 10 = 4020
So, Djokovic was clearly better at ITF events and hence he was named its World Champion.
However, that doesn´t mean he was the best at the ATP World Tour. I would say Nadal was undoubtely the no. 1 in 2013.
If this is the case then why do they have a panel that votes on the winner? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to have one person punch the numbers into a calculator?

The voters make a decision on whatever they think makes the best player of the year. And it's not only ITF events...this is from the press release last year:

"Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”
 

Mr.Snrub

Banned
Read post #13 and it will make perfect sense why the ITF gave Djokovic the award.
How old are you? It makes "perfect sense" that they have a panel that votes on the award even though it's given out based on simple mathematical formula?

Use your brain, holy crap.
 

SpicyCurry1990

Hall of Fame
If this is the case then why do they have a panel that votes on the winner? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to have one person punch the numbers into a calculator?

The voters make a decision on whatever they think makes the best player of the year. And it's not only ITF events...this is from the press release last year:

"Rafael Nadal made a remarkable comeback from injury with two Grand Slam wins, but it is Novak Djokovic’s consistent results across all four Slams, Davis Cup and the ATP World Tour Finals that see him named World Champion.”

That post wasn't 100% accurate, but it got the spirit of the award down. Like you said its not simple math only.

However, the ITF, in regards to the men's award, considers the events that it has ties to only: The Slams, Davis Cup, and World Tour Finals (a combination event from the old Grand Slam Cup (ITF) + Tennis Masters Cup (ATP)).

The panelists are there because the ITF does not simply use the ATP points awarded for these events to determine its world champion, but instead debates as a collective on how to weight each of the results from those events, and the weights might even vary by year.

My suspicion is the Davis Cup is worth more to the ITF than it is to the ATP by a large amount, that Wimbledon is likely weighed higher than the other slams, and that missing ITF events all together (as Nadal did with both the Australian Open and Davis Cup) plays a large role as a detractor. The ITF though certainly does not place any emphasis on 1000, 500, or 250 series titles.

When considering all of these items in tandem, does it not lend any credibility to the decision?
 
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Omega_7000

Legend
Because, even if we forget about Pascal Maria factor, Novak was clearly better player than Nadal that year to anyone impartial. Nadal was ahead on ranking points only due to MM clay court points (Vina Del Mar, Sao Paolo, Acapulco, Barcelona, ...) while Novak had way more Slam and Masters points than Nadal.

5120 slam points >>>>> 4010 slam points.
i.e. 1 title + 2 finals + 1 SF (de facto final) >>>>>> 2 titles + MIA + embarrassing 1st round loss.

WTF + 3 Masters + 2 meaningful 500s (Dubai and Beijing) >>>>> 5 Masters and nothing else.

ITF knows what it is doing and Novak was quite deserving player of the year.

Can you honestly say that Djokovic would not swap his results with Nadal?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Chico and DRII can argue till the cows come home and will never reach an agreement. Two of the most biased posters on this forum.
 

HipRotation

Hall of Fame
If only Murray had had the chance to play World Group Davis cup in 2012 then maybe he would've been ITF player of the year.

1 GS + Gold & Silver Medal + some davis cup matches > 1 GS - any medal or Davis cup matches ;)
 

conway

Banned
If only Murray had had the chance to play World Group Davis cup in 2012 then maybe he would've been ITF player of the year.

1 GS + Gold & Silver Medal + some davis cup matches > 1 GS - any medal or Davis cup matches ;)

Well if they were consistent with their so called standards (which everyone knows are non existent and they just pull out of their ***), then you would be right. Murray should be the 2012 ITF Player of the Year, and not Djokovic. Now in practical terms I think Djokovic was clearly the top player of 2012 (by less than Nadal in 2013, but still the obvious choice) but by the convoluted so called ITF standards and formula (which they don't adhere to anyway) it would be Murray.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
If only Murray had had the chance to play World Group Davis cup in 2012 then maybe he would've been ITF player of the year.

1 GS + Gold & Silver Medal + some davis cup matches > 1 GS - any medal or Davis cup matches ;)

I thought David Cup was important. Nadal fans always use this when they compare him with Fed.

Why be hypocritical and not use it for 2013 too?
 

SpicyCurry1990

Hall of Fame
Well if they were consistent with their so called standards (which everyone knows are non existent and they just pull out of their ***), then you would be right. Murray should be the 2012 ITF Player of the Year, and not Djokovic. Now in practical terms I think Djokovic was clearly the top player of 2012 (by less than Nadal in 2013, but still the obvious choice) but by the convoluted so called ITF standards and formula (which they don't adhere to anyway) it would be Murray.

What?

Murray in slams 2012:
AO - SF
FO - QF
Wimb - F
USO - W

Djokovic in slams 2012:
AO - W
FO - F
Wimb - SF
USO - F

Djokovic also won the World Tour Finals which IS a component of their evaluation (as I have explained its a fusion of their grand slam cup and the old ATP masters) and Murray lost in the SF, while Murray won OG while Djokovic lost in the SF.

Neither played Davis Cup World Group matches.

Total:
Murray - W/F/SF/QF slams + W/SF WTF/O + no DC WG + (Wimb>other slams)
Djokovic - W/F/F/SF slams + W/SF WTF/O + no DC WG + (WTF>OG)

How is it "consistent" to award it to Murray?
 

Noelan

Legend
If only Murray had had the chance to play World Group Davis cup in 2012 then maybe he would've been ITF player of the year.

1 GS + Gold & Silver Medal + some davis cup matches > 1 GS - any medal or Davis cup matches ;)

Level of delusion/stupidty on this forum is just remarkable.
It takes a years of playing and commitment to DC,as well as good team for a country to reach WG let alone several SF and F.
GB was in Group I Euro/Africa Zone 2012, lost to Belgia on indoor HC (1 4) in Glasgow. But poor Andy he hadn't the chance to play WG:(
 

SpicyCurry1990

Hall of Fame
And tell that to the journalists/historians that listed only the open-era stats & records.

Longest Match Win Streaks

1 United States Bill Tilden 95 1924–25
2 United States Don Budge 92 1937–38
3 Australia Roy Emerson 55 1964
4 United States Bill Tilden 50 1930
5 Sweden Björn Borg 49 1978
6 Sweden Björn Borg 48 1979-80
7 Argentina Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
8 Czech Republic Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
9 Serbia Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
10 United States John McEnroe 42 1984

Overall Major tournaments

Titles #
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 23
2. Australia Rod Laver 19
3. Switzerland Roger Federer 17
4. United States Bill Tilden 15
5. United States Pancho Gonzales 14
United States Pete Sampras
Spain Rafael Nadal
8. Australia Roy Emerson 12
9. France Henri Cochet 11
Sweden Björn Borg
10. New Zealand Anthony Wilding 10
United Kingdom Fred Perry
United States Don Budge

Finals #
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 35
2. Australia Rod Laver 31
3. Switzerland Roger Federer 25
4. United States Bill Tilden 23
5. United States Pancho Gonzales 20
Spain Rafael Nadal
7. Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 19
8. United States Pete Sampras 18
9. Sweden Björn Borg 16
10. France Henri Cochet 15
United States Don Budge
Australia Roy Emerson
United States Jimmy Connors
United States Andre Agassi

Semifinals #
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 52
2. United States Bill Tilden 36
3. Switzerland Roger Federer 33
4. Australia Rod Laver 32
5. United States Jimmy Connors 31
6. United States Pancho Gonzales 29
7. Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 28
8. United States Andre Agassi 26
9. United States Don Budge 26
10. United States Pete Sampras 23

Quarterfinals #
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 57
2. United States Jimmy Connors 41
Switzerland Roger Federer
4. United States Bill Tilden 39
5. Australia Roy Emerson 37
6. United States Andre Agassi 36
7. Australia Rod Laver 34
8. United States Pete Sampras 29
9. Australia John Newcombe 28
Serbia Novak Djokovic
10. Spain Rafael Nadal 27

Tournaments Won


Player Titles
1. Australia Rod Laver 200
2. United States Jimmy Connors 149
3. Czech Republic/United States Ivan Lendl 146
4. Czech Republic Jaroslav Drobný 139
5. Australia Ken Rosewall 133
6. United States Bill Tilden 130
7. New Zealand Tony Wilding 118
8. United States Pancho Gonzales 113
9. Australia Roy Emerson 110
10. United States John McEnroe 104
11. Sweden Björn Borg 101
12. United States Bobby Riggs 95
13. Romania Ilie Năstase 87
14. United States Gardnar Mulloy 80
Switzerland Roger Federer 80

Finals #
1. Australia Rod Laver 218
2. United States Bill Tilden 166
3. United States Jimmy Connors 163
4. Czechoslovakia/United States Ivan Lendl 146
5. Czech Republic Jaroslav Drobný 139
6. Australia Ken Rosewall 133
7. United States Bill Tilden 130
8. Switzerland Roger Federer 121
9. New Zealand Tony Wilding 118
10. United States Pancho Gonzales 113
11. United States John McEnroe 108
12. Argentina Guillermo Vilas 104
13. Romania Ilie Năstase 94
14. Spain Rafael Nadal 92
15. United States Andre Agassi 90

Career season streaks

Consecutive 10+ titles per season Streak Yrs
1. Australia Rod Laver 1964–1970 7
2. United States Bill Tilden 1924–1927 4
3. Switzerland Roger Federer 2004–2006 3
4. Romania Ilie Năstase 1972–1973 2
United States Jimmy Connors 1973–1974
Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 1981–1982

# Career 10+ title seasons Streak
7. Australia Rod Laver 1964–70
5. United States Bill Tilden 1924–27,30
4. United States Jimmy Connors 1973–74,76,78
Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 1981–82,85,89
3. Australia Tony Wilding 1906,07,08
Australia Ken Rosewall 1956,62,64
United States John McEnroe 1979,81,84
Switzerland Roger Federer 2004–06
2. Romania Ilie Năstase 1972–73
Sweden Björn Borg 1977,79
Spain Rafael Nadal 2005,2013


Consecutive 1+ titles per season Streak Yrs
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 1953–1973 21
Australia Rod Laver 1956–1976
3. United States Bill Tilden 1918–1931 14
United States Pancho Gonzales 1948–1961
Czechoslovakia/United States Ivan Lendl 1980–1993
6. Australia Tony Wilding 1901–1914 13
United States Jimmy Connors 1972–1984
Switzerland Roger Federer 2001–2014
9. Sweden Stefan Edberg 1984–1995 12
Germany Boris Becker 1985–1996
United States Andy Roddick 2001–2012

Most Titles in one season


# Titles Year #
1. Australia Tony Wilding 1906 23
2. Australia Rod Laver 1962 22
3. Australia Tony Wilding 1907 19
4. United States Bill Tilden 1930 18
Australia Rod Laver 1969
5. Argentina Guillermo Vilas 1977 16
6. Australia Tony Wilding 1908 15
USA Bill Tilden 1925
Australia Rod Laver 1970
Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 1982
United States Jimmy Connors 1974
Romania Ilie Năstase 1973 14
7. United States Bill Tilden 1927 13
Australia Rod Laver 1968
Sweden Björn Borg 1979
United States John McEnroe 1984
8. Australia Tony Wilding 1910 12
Australia Ken Rosewall 1956
Romania Ilie Năstase 1972
United States Jimmy Connors 1976
Austria Thomas Muster 1995
Switzerland Roger Federer 2006


Year-end rankings
Player Years at No. 1 #
1. United States Pancho Gonzales 1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960 8
2. United Kingdom William Renshaw 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1889 7
United States Bill Tilden 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931
Australia Rod Laver 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970
3. United Kingdom Reggie Doherty 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902 6
United States Jack Kramer 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1953
Australia Ken Rosewall 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970
United States Pete Sampras 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998
4. Ireland Joshua Pim 1890, 1891, 1893, 1894, 1895 5
United States William Larned 1901, 1902, 1908, 1909, 1910
United Kingdom Lawrence Doherty 1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906
United Kingdom Fred Perry 1934, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1941
United States Don Budge 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1942
United States Jimmy Connors 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978
Switzerland Roger Federer 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
5. United Kingdom Wilfred Baddeley 1891, 1892, 1895, 1896 4
United States Ellsworth Vines 1932, 1935, 1936, 1937
United States Bobby Riggs 1941, 1945, 1946, 1947
United States John McEnroe 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984
Czechoslovakia Ivan Lendl 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989


Year-End Streaks


At No. 1 Years #
1. United States Pancho Gonzales 1954–1960 7
Australia Rod Laver 1964–1970
3. United Kingdom William Renshaw 1881–1886 6
United Kingdom Reggie Doherty 1897–1902
United States Bill Tilden 1920–1925
United States Pete Sampras 1993–1998
7. United States Jimmy Connors 1974–1978 5
8. United States John McEnroe 1981–1984 4
Switzerland Roger Federer 2004–2007

In Top 10 Years #
1. Australia Ken Rosewall 1952–1976 25
2. United States Pancho Gonzales 1949–1969 21
3. United States Jimmy Connors 1973–1988 16
4. United States Bill Tilden 1919–1932 14
5. Australia Rod Laver 1959–1971 13
Czechoslovakia/United States Ivan Lendl 1980–1992
7. United States Pete Sampras 1990–2001 12
Switzerland Roger Federer 2002–2013
9. Sweden Stefan Edberg 1985–1994 10

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overall_tennis_records_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles#Overall_Major_tournaments

Its there, you just ignore it

GOAT debate is Laver vs Gonzalez, Federer is not in the conversation
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer Is The Greatest Tennis Player Of All Time

List of career achievements and records.


2003 Wimbledon — 2009 French Open Career Grand Slam
Rod Laver, Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal

2003 Wimbledon — 2012 Wimbledon 17 titles Stands alone

2003 Wimbledon — 2012 Wimbledon 24 finals Stands alone

2005 Wimbledon — 2007 US Open 10 consecutive finals Stands alone

2003 Wimbledon — 2014 Wimbledon 35 semifinals Stands alone

2004 Wimbledon — 2010 Australian Open 23 consecutive semifinals Stands alone
2004 Wimbledon — 2013 French Open 36 consecutive quarterfinals Stands alone
2000 Australian Open — 2014 US Open 60 consecutive appearances Wayne Ferreira

2004 & 2006–2007 3 years winning 3+ titles Stands alone
2004–2007 & 2009 5 years winning 2+ titles Stands alone
2006–2007 2 consecutive years winning 3+ titles Stands alone
2004–2007 4 consecutive years winning 2+ titles Stands alone
2004–2011 8 consecutive years winning 20+ matches Stands alone

2003 Wimbledon —2012 Wimbledon 5+ titles at 2 different Majors Björn Borg, Pete Sampras
2003 Wimbledon — 2012 Wimbledon 4+ titles at 3 different Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2012 Wimbledon 5+ finals at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2013 Australian Open 7+ semifinals at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2001 French Open — 2013 French Open 9+ quarterfinals at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2008 US Open 5 consecutive titles at 2 different Majors Stands alone
2004 Wimbledon — 2007 US Open 4 consecutive years of winning the two same Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2007 French Open 2+ consecutive finals at all 4 Majors Ivan Lendl
2003 Wimbledon — 2009 French Open 5+ consecutive semifinals at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2013 French Open 9+ consecutive quarterfinals at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2003 Wimbledon — 2006 Australian Open First 7 finals won Stands alone
2004 Australian Open — 2010 Australian Open 9 hard court titles Stands alone
2008 US Open — 2009 Wimbledon Simultaneous holder of Majors on clay, grass and hard court Rafael Nadal
2006–2007 & 2009 All 4 Major finals in 1 season Rod Laver
2006 French Open — 2009 US Open Runner-up finishes at all 4 Majors Ivan Lendl
2000 Australian Open — 2013 US Open 260 match wins Stands alone
2000 Australian Open — 2013 US Open 50+ match wins at all 4 Majors Stands alone
2000 Australian Open — 2013 US Open 60+ match wins at 3 different Majors Stands alone
2000 Australian Open — 2013 US Open 135 hard court match wins Stands alone
2006 27 match wins in 1 season Stands alone
2004–2007 & 2009 5 years with match winning percentage of 90%+ Björn Borg
2004 French Open — 2012 US Open 23 No. 1 seeds Stands alone
2004 French Open — 2008 Wimbledon 18 consecutive No. 1 seeds Stands alone
2006 US Open — 2007 French Open 36 consecutive sets won Stands alone
2007 US Open 35 consecutive service points won Stands alone
2009 Wimbledon 50 aces in a final Stands alone
1999 French Open — 2012 US Open 5618 games won Stands alone
2005 Wimbledon — 2007 French Open 2 winning streaks of 25+ matches Stands alone
2005 Wimbledon — 2009 US Open 3 winning streaks of 20+ matches Stands alone
2004 Wimbledon — 2009 US Open 5 winning streaks of 15+ matches Stands alone

Grand Slam tournaments

Australian Open 2004–2010 4 titles overall Andre Agassi
Novak Djokovic
Australian Open 2004–2010 5 finals overall Stefan Edberg
Australian Open 2004–2014 11 semifinals overall Stands alone
Australian Open 2004–2014 11 consecutive semifinals Stands alone
Australian Open 2007 Won title without losing a set Ken Rosewall
Australian Open 2000–2014 73 match wins overall Stands alone
Australian Open 2006–2008 30 consecutive sets won Stands alone
French Open 2006–2009 4 consecutive finals Björn Borg, Ivan Lendl, Rafael Nadal
French Open 2006–2011 4 runner-up finishes overall Stands alone
French Open 2006–2008 3 consecutive runner-up finishes Stands alone
French Open 2005–2009 5 consecutive semifinals Stands alone
French Open—Wimbledon 2009 Accomplished a "Channel Slam": Winning both tournaments in the same year Rod Laver, Björn Borg, Rafael Nadal
Wimbledon 2003–2012 7 titles overall Pete Sampras
Wimbledon 2003–2007 5 consecutive titles Björn Borg
Wimbledon 2003–2014 9 finals overall Stands alone
Wimbledon 2003–2009 7 consecutive finals Stands alone
Wimbledon 2003–2009 7 consecutive semifinals Stands alone
Wimbledon 2005–2006 34 consecutive sets won Stands alone
US Open 2004–2008 5 titles overall Jimmy Connors
Pete Sampras
US Open 2004–2008 5 consecutive titles Stands alone
US Open 2004–2009 40 consecutive match wins Stands alone


Year-End Championship

2003–2011 6 titles overall Stands alone
2002–2012 42 match wins overall Stands alone
2003–2005 14 consecutive match wins Ivan Lendl

ATP Masters 1000 records
2000–2013 280 match wins overall Stands alone
2004–2012 15 hard court titles Stands alone
2005–2006 2 consecutive years winning 4+ titles Stands alone
2002–2011 9 different finals Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
2006 6 finals in 1 season Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
2004–2012 4 Indian Wells Masters titles Stands alone
2002–2007 4 Hamburg Masters titles Stands alone
2005–2014 6 Cincinnati Masters titles Stands alone
2012 Won title without having serve broken or losing a set
(Cincinnati Masters) Stands alone

Other records
2004–2012 302 total weeks at No. 1 Stands alone
2 February 2004 — 17 August 2008 237 consecutive weeks at No. 1 Stands alone
2003–2005 26 consecutive match victories vs. top 10 opponents Stands alone
2005–2006 56 consecutive hard court match victories Stands alone
2003–2008 65 consecutive grass court match victories Stands alone
2003–2005 24 consecutive tournament finals won Stands alone
2001–2013 10+ titles on grass, clay and hard courts Stands alone
2003–2013 13 grass court titles Stands alone
2002–2012 52 hard court titles Stands alone
2006 9 hard court titles in 1 season Jimmy Connors
1998–2013 339 tiebreaks won Stands alone
1999–2013 87.14% (122 - 18 ) grass court match winning percentage Stands alone
1998–2013 82.63% (552–116) hard court match winning percentage Stands alone
2006 94.12% of tournament finals reached in 1 season Stands alone
2004–2008 2 consecutive Olympic games as wire-to-wire No. 1 Stands alone
2004–2012 3 consecutive Olympic games as No. 1 Stands alone
2005–2007 3 consecutive calendar years as wire-to-wire No. 1 Stands alone
2005–2007 3 calendar years as wire-to-wire No. 1 Jimmy Connors
2003–2012 Ended 9 years ranked inside the top 2 Stands alone

2005–2007 2 winning streaks of 35+ matches Björn Borg
2004–2012 7 winning streaks of 20+ matches Stands alone
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Lol, TMF stop posting lists. Don't you think Nadal and Sampras fans here suffered enough?

That's why I love Borg fans. They don't care about this goat debate.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, TMF stop posting lists. Don't you think Nadal and Sampras fans here suffered enough?

That's why I love Borg fans. They don't care about this goat debate.

But my previous wasn't directing at Nadal or Sampras fans, but to a Nole fan who's biased against Federer.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
But my previous wasn't directing at Nadal or Sampras fans, but to a Nole fan who's biased against Federer.

I know, I was partly joking. I mean Fed has so many record and his haters know it. So, no need to punish them so much. I find it very cruel :). Even if they deserve it :).
 

Chico

Banned
TMF is really trying hard to undermine anything Novak has achieved so far. He twists facts, jumps to alternate reality, i.e. do not stop at anything in his silly quest to present Novak much lesser than he really is when compared to Fed and Fed's generation (Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian, Hewitt, ...)
And that all started with Novak defeating Federer on W final this year, denying him 18th slam. Sad really.
 
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TMF is really trying hard to undermine anything Novak has achieved so far. He twists facts, jumps to alternate reality, i.e. do not stop at anything in his silly quest to present Novak much lesser than he really is when compared to Fed and Fed's generation (Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian, Hewitt, ...)
And that all started with Novak defeating Federer on W final this year, denying him 18th slam. Sad really.
Just like it's unrealistic to think that peak Djokovic >> peak Nadal, when all the stats and facts are on Nadal's side. :oops:
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Is this a half reference to Sureshs per chance?...

Anyways, obviously peak Safin > peak Federer

:)

No this is not a half reference to a poster with elegant threads :).

What makes you think peak Safin owns peak Federer?

If we have a faster car, doesn't that car also have higher peak speed? It doesn't make sense to me, why slower car would have higher top speed.

I mean if Fed average owns Safin average, why wouldn't peak Fed own peak Safin too?

Anyway, I stand by my logic. A car who wins most races also has higher peak speed.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
Just like it's unrealistic to think that peak Djokovic >> peak Nadal, when all the stats and facts are on Nadal's side. :oops:

Only on clay.

Non clay Nole leads in h2h and slam count.

So, it wouldn't be wrong to say, peak Nole owns peak Rafa on HC and indoor.

Maybe even on grass. I mean Nole owned Rafa at W final. Also Nole's 2 wins are way more impressive. Beating Fed+Rafa vs beating Fed+Berdych.
 

TMF

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TMF is really trying hard to undermine anything Novak has achieved so far. He twists facts, jumps to alternate reality, i.e. do not stop at anything in his silly quest to present Novak much lesser than he really is when compared to Fed and Fed's generation (Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian, Hewitt, ...)
And that all started with Novak defeating Federer on W final this year, denying him 18th slam. Sad really.

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