It’s true now. Not sure how it was when your wife was born. Laws change.
What happened to German tennis? A devolution with no end. ATP thread.
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Actually if you read the OPS original post he is arguing that Zev isn't a real German because he was born to Russian parents.
BGod
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That's because Austria doesn't recognize dual citizenship. Although I feel your wife could get German citizenship simply without notifying Austrian authorities.
I know with Ukraine a lot of citizens got 2nd passports without notifying Ukrainian government.
Its not easy. She has wanted to get her EU citizenship for awhile now. Lots of red tape. She gave it up to vote in America. Now its possible to get dual citizenship. But its a major pain.
It aint simple. Lots of delays. Not logical ones but it is what it is. Her mother still lives in Germany. Her brother does as well. But he is still Austrian by passport. Now what does he feel he is? German. Because thats where he spent his whole life.
Well, my position is what I said in the post you replied to. Life is never black and white.
And my position is a guy who was born in Germany, is a German citizen, plays for Germany, represents Germany, and says he identifies as a German is German.
Then we don’t totally disagree. Let’s say we have a partial disagreement.
BGod
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Well with an EU passport it's a bit redundant. The Austrian-German dynamic is also historically more blurred than Russia-Germany.
Anyway I concur with the sentiment Zverev is a Russian who is a German citizen and represents German nationalism. I don't see that statement as disingenuous. With regards to German tennis, there still needs to be a push for ethnic Germans to represent NOT because it's somehow negative for a Russian to represent Germany but because it's also good to have generational foundation.
I disagree. And if Germans feel that a guy with Russian parents doesnt inspire them then I can't help them. I don't think thats the issue with German tennis and we have gone over that already. Tennis goes in cycles in countries. All you need is one guy. But even that doesnt mean it gets a bunch of people out on a court to from a future champion. It doesn't work like that. I think for some sports that barely anyone plays like say Luge it means something. But tennis is played everywhere. Special talents are not grown in a factory.
I don’t understand why you can’t accept that Zverev is Russian German, and Anisimova is Russian American?
Because both are products of the country they were born in and identify as German and American respectfully. Sampras was born to an American who's background was from Greece and a mom who actually was from Greece. He said he was American. And he played for America. Could he have played for Greece? Sure. Why would he do that. He was born in the states, he lived in the states, he played his tennis in the states.
That Wikipedia's killing me. Dear readers, I apologize for my inadequate knowledge where Maria comes fromAccording to Wikipedia, she was born in Nyagan (west Siberia, Russia) to Belorussian parents. Stop cheating the readers
Well wherever she is from she doesn't live in Russia. She seems to like the States.That Wikipedia's killing me. Dear readers, I apologize for my inadequate knowledge where Maria comes from
I guess that's where she's gonna give birth to her child now
The Big Foe fan
Hall of Fame
I'm a Dane and I don't understand your obsession.
Wellll we don't know that. She married some British rich dude. So who knows. Actually not sure they are married but whatever.
Oh, not the UK! She'll be banned from the hospital there
Im being serious on this. Im not 100 percent sure she does not have US citizenship. If I was a betting man I would bet she does.
Hahaha, every day we learn something new on these boards.That Wikipedia's killing me. Dear readers, I apologize for my inadequate knowledge where Maria comes from
Ducky Lucky
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Of course she won't. What is the matter you? Non UK residents may have to pay the NHS but I doubt the likes of Sharapova will give birth in a NHS hospital.
stringertom
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Nothing outside a lunatic asylum supports your pointlessness. Seek help.
BorgTheGOAT
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I guess even more than attraction of the opposite it is that they share the same childhood history of being raised by crazy tennis fathers. Agassi explained it in his book that he felt that Steffi was the first one who understood him immediately when he told her he hated tennis (assuming that was true as we know that Agassi’s book has to be taken with a grain of salt). Back in 1995 I read an interview with Agassi where he was praising Steffi as the greatest of them all and how amazing she is etc. which really sounded already that he had a crush on her.
Stop embarrassing yourself man. You have too much anger, and that makes you irrational.
stringertom
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Your “logic” is GRU-some. Is your real name Vladimir and are you currently active trying to save free people from their Na-zi oppressors that are led by a Jew?
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
This. ATGs let alone GOAT candidates cannot really be planned, regardless of how good training facilities or support in the individual country might be. The most important thing here is Talent as well as dedication and luck and a potential GOAT level talent maybe comes along every few decades or so. Graf/Becker/Stich was simply an anomaly, Germany never before or after had players on that level, not even on the level of Stich. Same as with Switzerland where we had Hingis, Federer, Wawrinka within a very short time span. I am next to 100% sure though, that there will be nobody comparable to them from Switzerland in the upcoming years.
stringertom
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Pot calling kettle black. You just made up a lie that Auger Aliassime was born in Africa, you bigoted flaming hater and you call me “irrational”???
How old are you? Seriously.
I already apologised for my mistake. I confused his story with another Canadian athlete. What’s with the hate speech? Anger management. Take a deep breath.
stringertom
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Your credibility is zero. Did you respond to my counterpointbti your blatant lie? No. Even if you had, you are carrying a water bucket for despots full of holes from the rotting wood of being a birther liar.
How dare you offer me anger management advice when you started the row with your blatant twisting of facts? You’re a totally misguided hypocrite.
Did you forget to take your medicine today?
stringertom
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Are you going to add in a hollow form of ageism like countless other clowns on the forum?
I am offended by your statement that Americans don’t understand how it is in the old world. Millions of immigrants gather in ethnic enclaves all over the country and cling to the cultures they left. Have you not heard of Little Russia in the Brighton Beach section of Brooklyn?
The only difference between Little Russia and Little Germany in the same city, for example, is when they coalesced into their own neighborhoods and how able they have been to establish their neighborhoods as property owners and business people. Little Germany on the upper east side of Manhattan got pricey so most found new living arrangements and assimilated in the last century. Two world wars with their home country didn’t help. There are a lot of Millers and Smiths who started as Mullers and Schmidts to escaoe
Your opinion of German personality is also offensive. They don’t all act temperamentally like your feeble attempt at stereotyping them as a country of angry folk. How do I know this as fact? I lived there for two years and they are pretty much like most people worldwide. Some can be thoughtful and kind, some are more like you, willing to walk around with a burning fuse and waiting to explode.
To say Zverev remains Russian despite his story (born in Germany, always representing his birth nation) and that it is different than any other son/daughter of immigrant children is the type of mindset that allows deadly divisions. You enable despots like a Putin or Xi to exist. If you’re not in Russia already, please move there so you won’t be the square peg in a round hole.
stringertom
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LOL! Another clown response. Seriously, seek some help. Get out and see how the world really is instead of your fantasy about Russians being Russian even when born a thousand miles away.
Mainad
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Completely a**e about face. Zverev is a German who represents Germany in international sport and who has Russian parents.
UnderratedSlam
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Which is why he has more Russian tennis fans on the internet than German ones...
Many Russians consider him as their own. Surely, this isn't random.
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UnderratedSlam
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UnderratedSlam
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Graf's father did hard prison time for corruption-related dealings, in the 90s.
This seems to be completely erased from history. Have never read it anywhere on TTW.
I Am Finnish
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This is getting messy
UnderratedSlam
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UnderratedSlam
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The thing is, tennis is a highly elitist sport, and Germany is not only one of the wealthiest nations, it has a VERY large population. By far the largest in Europe. (I had to laugh when a German newsreader the other day said that "Poland is a small country." Poland has 40 million people.) It is just very strange that some very small countries (not Poland) produce champs or top 10 players almost regularly while Germany can have very long stretches without top male players.
The talent pool in Germany must be enormous. Despite the "Nowitzki effect", there should be enough talent "left over" for tennis and other smaller sports.
Aabye5
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@UnderratedSlam - we now have the answer as to why Marko Topo was given a wildcard at the BMW Open:
Marko Topo - Wikipedia
Gumby
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So then Agassi is Armenian, Sampras is Greek, Courier, McEnroe, Connors are Irish, Chang is Chinese, Hewitt is English, etc. Or does that only apply to non-Anglo speaking tennis countries?
Russians consider anyone remotely connected to Russia living in other countries or regions as one of their own to start a proxy or direct war for annexation.
Oops sorry could not resist!
I consider Zverev German where ever his allegiances may lie. Same for Tsitsipas - he's Greek of Russian descent.
That's TTW for ya. You should've read some of the deleted threads - some real wackos on here.
BeatlesFan
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I'm an American who married an Austrian and who has lived in both Austria and Germany for years. But we're the anomaly and you have to admit the majority of Americans are stupid as hell about other countries. The only European country most Americans could name is England and that's utterly pathetic.
I use to think that. But then I thought really it doesnt matter. As someone once said ignorance is bliss. Knowing stuff about Europe isn't important to most US citizens thats really all there is to it. And I can sit up on my high horse and say boy I have been all over Europe and know lots of stuff. But I know very little about Africa for example. And not much about East Asia.
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