Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by lordmanji, Apr 19, 2009.
i mean technically why is it breaking down now? it cant all be just mental.
He's been running around the backhand so much that when opponents return his inside-out forehand he has more ground to cover while out of position. His running forehand has been spotty over the past year.
Federer did add some weight last year and actually strung his racquets at an even lower tension.
i personally think he should use the offensive slice backhand more instaed of giving up so much court with the IO forehand ...hes very accurate with it ...but his ego tells him to show the world he can hit topsin backhands all day (and we all know how that ends up,especially on clay),yea once in a while the IO is gonna be deadly but its gonna wear him out faster (hes old you know)
His forehand allows almost no room for error, and his footwork is slightly slower. Bad combination.
He's lazy and doesn't use anything but his arm anymore.
I hope you are kidding.
no its just a prime Nadal. Up until now he only faced a teenybopper Nadal.
The kid is now all grown up.
Fed's footwork still seems spot on.
I think his backhand is the problem. Its a very weak shot now. Lots of errors and it never produces winners like it used to. His slice is still good but his topspin backhands always make me cringe.
Annoys him so he goes for more on his forehands which leads to more errors.
Other than that as I said his footwork and technique are still fine.
i think it's both mental and physical, in tennis he is old.....
ofcourse, because nadal hits to fed's forehand a lot.
you know nothing about tennis
he just needs to go back to his older, lighter racquet. He used to have very fast powerful groundstrokes, now he swings much slower, and im sure its because his racquet is heavier now.
Federer's forehand was always like this. However, his backhand used to get him out of trouble back in 06 and before. Now his backhand has declined and it's affected his entire game.
Federer hasn't switched racquets since he won his first Grand Slam in 2003.
In his most recent matches against Djokovic and Wawrinka, it was quite obvious Roger was having more problems with his forehand than his backhand. It's likely to be a mental thing; Roger appears to have lost confidence in that stroke, and perhaps being a step slower, his timing on the forehand side has been affected.
He has more problems with his forehand because he is running around his backhand so much. The backhand is the culprit, the forehand just takes the fall for it.
He's done the same thing throughout his entire career and it's never affected his forehand before, until now.
His forehand was always like this: lots of winners and lots of errors.
There just wasn't anyone around to capitalize on those errors.
His backhand hasn't regressed at all. Playing Nadal has improved his backhand greatly since his 2004-2006 days. Federer has said this himself.
His footwork has been affected. He moves slower horizontal, and is off balance on his shots.
After his mono, Federer did not move as well and hit his backhand farther away from his body (psychologically tough to move that extra few inches for a slightly better shot when tired). The little bit of reaching made him lose power off the stroke. Also, he started slicing more, which works very well against most opponents. He improved his movement this year and at the Aussie was hitting his backhand with more authority than last year but still not back to his previous level. He is pressing on his forehand because he is still worried about ending the point too quickly and has lost confidence in his ability to fight it out.
Plus it was dark, windy, balls were heavy, the other guy had a injury time out, hawkeye is killing him, he has imaginary mono, his wife has a bun in the oven etc etc.
No wayy man... his forehand used to be so accurate. In fact, he used to make so much fewer errors off both wings.
I think his forehand has disappeared due to a lack of confidence mostly. Maybe it's the fact that his footwork isn't as tip top as it used to be and so he gets a bit rushed.
I dont see his footwork in place,thats for sure..its as if the net virtually attracts Roger's shots..sad...
I am also in the camp of lower tension and bigger, perhaps heavier racket plays into it. I feel that the quicker swing actually gave fewer mistakes because he could decide the shot later + less chance of hitting out. But its all to a degree guesswork. Does anyone have information about Federers string tension through the years?
Fitness affects footwork affects timing leading to sprayed shots. Roger went from zero to hero based on his movement. Looks like he wants to go back to zero.
Currently, guys like nadal/murray are hitting shots with more topspin which forces federer to contact the ball at his shoulders or above. During 04-06, guys like roddick,hewitt, hit a much flatter ball which meant most of the time, his forehand contact was between waist and shoulders.
You forgot, he has Nadal_Freak to contend with as well.
You think Nadal_Freak has a Voodoo Federer doll that he pokes with needles everytime Fed plays?
^^^he probably has that voo-doo doll's right arm stuck in a vice grip.
Don't forget he stuffs some extra straw in the belly of the doll
His forehand starts to tremble at the mere sight of Rafa.
Then how do you explain the 10 million forehand unforced errors when he played Djokovic in the Miami semis?
interesting point....sampras has said he liked his match-up with agassi because agassi's (mostly flat) shots came right into his strike zone
the only guys that match up well against nadal are flat ball strikers with good backhands - nalbandian, blake (fh), berdych
For Federer to hit his FH properly he needs to be correctly far enough away from the ball. He has a massive arm extension when he makes proper (for him) contact on the FH. It's way out in front and as far over to the side as his arm length will allow. He doesn't get into his correct hitting position as often as he used to. Call it footwork, speed, mental, whatever - I'm sure it's a combination of these things. You still see him crack a beautiful inside out FH (mainly on short balls) every so often, but this is the exception now.
I agree with this.
Recent quality of his footwork is obvious but most people do not realizes how extreme Federer's forehand swing is. Generally speaking, he hits both forehand and backhand with lots of liquid whips and they actually have much narrower margin of errors than people think, especially his forehand. His serve is much simpler, less extreme swing and has much larger margin of errors.
Have to agree..its not the forehand it is him. Federer played risky tennis. His problem is more defensive players are rising up and he will pay the punishment for an error. I also second the backhand thing. His backhand has always been weak and Nadal in parts helped it get better..I never thought oh man Fed has a great backhand. When you play defensive tennis players you run into issues.
Multiple reasons, in descending order:
1. Footwork not as good anymore
2. Less confident
3. Loss of speed
4. Poor shot selection, hitting the DTL too often and at the wrong time
What does Nadal have to do with Fed's forehand? What a stupid post...
His Forehand simply breaksdown at the mere mention of Nadal. Federer trembles to the bone.
I've always disagreed with this opinion. I think Federer has always had an excellent backhand. If you go back and watch his match against Sampras at Wimbledon 2001, even at the age of 19, Federer was ripping backhand winners left and right against one of the best net players ever.
It's definitely a combination of footwork and lack of confidence....He seems to be struggling with lateral movement of late. I see far too many lunging steps leaving him off-balance and unable to recover. Where is the Federer of old, who would glide around the court turning defense into attack in one stroke???
I still believe he will be back...all great champions manage to find a second wind.
LOL, you think pro players wait for the ball to peak to hit it? Elite players can take the ball at any level they desire on the rise. We aren't talking about the rec players at the local club here.
anyone want proof, look at the past 2 tournys in the US.
he tries to go IO forehand so much that people expect it so they just puch it down the line then come to the net on him(just to be safe)
His forehand is the most violent groundstroke in the game today and maybe in history, the combination of racquet head speed and the plane of his stroke doesn't leave a lot of margin for error, whether mental or physical if his footwork and timing are impaired the ratio of UE to winners starts to climb towards the negative.There is a fine line between excellence and misery with such a violent stroke.
does he need to add more weight on his racquet or perhaps go back to the NCode tour?
sorta reminds me of courier, He had a huge consistent forehand in the early 90's, hitting with more depth and a heavy spoin however in the mid 90's, he changed it a bit and started hitting a bit for flat, causing him to hit more unforced errors. Anyone agree or disagree.
His backhand was never excellent; it was good, but it never reached the level of excellent. Excellent would be Safin or Nalbandian's BH when they are playing well.
agreed. Even at his best, federers backhand wasnt exactly a weapon. It was more dependable though.
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