Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Serendipitous, Nov 20, 2009.
Since my last journeyman thread got deleted, I am forced to start another one.
What is a journeyman?
Definetely a man who likes journeys
If you really wanna know, it would be the typical player who is not a star but still travels the world playing in the tournaments trying to make a good living.
Id say a journey-man is ranked 30-150 in the world.
Any experienced, competent but routine player.
I'm just messsin with you.
You are a journeyman of TT threads.... LOL
journeymen are those players who are good, but they lack one or two things that are nessecary to make it to the top. an example of theses people would be Donald Young, Robert Kendrick, or Amer Delic... and in a few years (most likely) Ernests Gulbis, if he doesn't shape up and have some passion or desire about what he's doing.
um... excuse me for the dumb question, but what is this from?
My notion of journeymen--correct or not, I do not know--has always been players of lower rankings than that.
I think of journeymen as those who usually play satellite and challenger events and have to play qualies to get wild cards in ATP/WTA tournaments.
In my opinion, those ranked 30-150 are solid ATP/WTA players. I do not consider them journeymen.
Maybe I should watch my DVD for the show "Journeymen" again.
No, players at challengers (satellite doesnt exist anymore) are gravediggers.
Mark Keil and Geoff Grant were typical journey-men, Geoff Grants best ranking were 120 in singles and Mark Keil mostly played doubles. (although he beat Sampras in 1991 in Queens,London)
Wrong, Serendiptious is a star at these boards.
i would not call anyone ranked in the top 50 a jouney man as they regularly make the 2nd round or 3rd rounds every so often and that with their sponsors is enough to make a living. Once in a while they get pass the quaters which then they get alot lol. anyone ranked consistently outside the top 50 - 150 is closer to a journey man.
Thanks for the replies, everyone!
What is a journeyman?
ANSWER: Someone who gets around.
A journeyman is a soderling before the French open, A verdasco before the australian open.I mean for 2009.
I'd say 50 or 75 to 150 or 200. I don't consider Top 50 players to be journeymen. Paul Goldstein is a journeyman player, played slams fairly consistently, never won a tour title, successful in Challengers, etc. Kendrick is definitely a journeyman. Players like that.
Michael Russell, Scoville Jenkins, Bobby Reynolds, Giovanni Lapenti.
My impression of a journeyman, is a player who has been on the tour for a long time and never really has a chance to win the tournaments. They might make a run to the finals or win a tourney but never expected to. Like Santoro. Bjorkman, Patrick McEnroe etc, not like a donald young, he is too young to meet MY standards of a journeyman.
What is a dictionnary?
if the ATP is a company, then the journeymen are simply the employees.
They win enough matches to scrape up a decent yearly salary and continue playing tennis. They play challengers, and qualify for a few ATP/Masters/Slams a year.
Nothing because "dictionnary" is not a word.
You bumped a 2-3 year old thread to say ... this ?:shock::shock:
I was pretty lame back then.......I could have been more serious.
wow. Lamest bump of all time. Get a life kid.
What I wonder is if you're pulling say $100,000 a year and spending $50,000 of that on travel, lodging and food, and some of that in taxes, etc....
...then when you hit 35 and you can't compete at all anymore, what do you do? You haven't made enough to stash away enough for a retirement certainly. Teach?
Fair question - I think it's when you're always ranked outside ATP100 or get booted off a LI HS team based on a psychiatric report requested by your doubles partner.
Michael Russell, Donald Young, Jesse Levine, I could go on with the latest crop of Americans, but I'll stop with those three.
Separate names with a comma.