What is it that makes Federer such a truly heroic figure in sport?

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Deleted member 22147

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Clean cut looks and personality, hardly charismatic but PR friendly.

Swiss nationality and all of the stereotypes that associated which act as a vehicle for marketing

Style of play.

Ability.

Professionalism and scope for longevity.

That's it.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
This thread, lol. Federer fans and Djokovic fans pointing fingers at each other.

And yeah, calling Federer tennis or the truly heroic figure can be seen as disrespectful to the other greats of the game.
I am not going into the whole "heroic" stuff, but it is ridiculous to suggest that tennis can have only one hero, so that calling one player heroic would mean disrespect for the other legends of the sport. The heros are just figures that create their own mythos with what they do, and, well, Federer has created his own mythos in tennis, whether people like it or not.

Now, if you put it into a larger perspective with the challenges of the life outside of sports, one may think that, but I guess the talk here is about sporting heroes, not people that carried the world on their shoulders.

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Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
For me, it’s the Federer. The best tennis player. I even ask for extra Wimbledons and the Pro Staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for Australian Opens and he gave me two. I said, “Wow, that fifth set was 6-3!” and the nice friendly Federer laughed and said, “I’m also going to win Wimbledon in three”.

Now Fed greets me with “hey I'm nearly 40” and ALWAYS gives me match wins. It’s such a fun and cool atmosphere at Fed matches, I go to TTW at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large match thread, 1-2 times at breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I’m in a rush but want a great match that is efficient, fast, and can match my daily sick tennis needs.

I even get to watch peak era highlights remastered in HD, it’s delicious! What a great tennis player.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Professional
Roger is no superhuman hero. No real person is.

And he’s a very real person - a very talented individual who made good on his promise fighting off his own inner demons with the support of grounded people (parents + Mirka) and a catalytic event (the death of his coach)

I love everything about him but don’t exalt him to demigod status like some other fanbases do with their heroes, because I don’t think it gels with his personality at all.

Love follows and fuels Roger everywhere, but he embraces his fallibility and doesn’t crave worshippers.

To me thats the most heroic aspect of Roger.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
Right. So tennis didn't exist before Federer and only Federer defined it. And people wonder why so many find many of his fans to be insufferably disrespectful to the game and the other players who came before and after Roger?

No disrespect to anyone. Federer has got most complete game we have ever seen. Don't you agree with this? Then please tell us who had more complete game than Federer.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Federer never asked for anybody to love him :)
He demands.
Post-match press-conference in Shanghai, on October 11, 2019:
Q. Can you just explain why you were unhappy with the umpire's decision to award you a point penalty?
ROGER FEDERER: So you could write on Twitter, you mean? No, it would be nice to write something nice once also about the game. Next question.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
All court tennis, beautiful game.
Sober, calm nature once into mainstream.
No controversial comments or statements.
Extemely helpful Towards building facilities for poor kids in his motherland.
No acts of gamesmanship or insulting towards crowd.
Calm? o_O

"A code violation, ball abuse warning, Mr. Federer"



express.uk: "Fed was handed a code violation for smashing a ball into the stands after missing a half-volley during the second set. He almost hit a second ball out of bounds later which would have incurred a points penalty only to relent." (Halle 2018)
 
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beard

Hall of Fame
Federer never asked for anybody to love him :)
No, but establishment and tennis authorities love money, did their job, and made tennis God of undoubtedly great tennis player... Luckily, two another great tennis players busted that false fairytale...

Off course, Fed will remain most loved tennis player of his time (not all times), and he can have it... Lol...
 

Thriller

Professional
No disrespect to anyone. Federer has got most complete game we have ever seen. Don't you agree with this? Then please tell us who had more complete game than Federer.
Federer has 'the most complete game we have ever seen' that just happens to fall apart if you hit lots of lefty topspin to the backhand no? How does that work? Nadal has been puncturing that achilles heel since 2004. How come with this 'complete game' he has been dominated by his two biggest rivals Rafa and Novak?

On red clay, Nadal has the most complete game that anyone has ever seen. He is one of the closest things to unbeatable in any sport, never mind tennis. You disagree? Please explain what shots that Nadal lacks or weaknesses that can be exploited when he is fit and healthy on red clay.

On hardcourts, when he is inspired, Djokovic is equally close to unbeatable, he has an answer for everything. The greatest backboard we have ever seen who will promptly cut you like a knife in attack if you display any weakness.

On grass, peak Sampras is still the benchmark for me. Yes his service games were legendary but watch how few tie breaks he played on super fast grass at Wimbledon. His return game on grass, be that the expertly blocked returns on 1st serve or chip and charge on 2nd were a nightmare for his opponents. He also dominated Wimbledon against by far the strongest field in history. On his game I don't see any of the current players troubling peak Pete.
 
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canta_Brian

Semi-Pro
We are glad to see more confidence in Djokovic from rivals' fan base.
I said if.
The point you avoided still stands. You are now admitting that quality is important, not just quantity.

To be fair, the one time I saw Djokovic live (Wimbledon), he was very impressive, particularly his movement. I understand why some might like him, but if, as you say, quality is important, Fed's ball striking is better, his touch is better and there is no such thing as a Fedosmash.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
His elegance and movement and all round game. He is a special player.

I still think no matter what the records say Federer has carved his legacy, he will still by many be regarded as the best player. The way he played the game and won has touched alot of people.
 

CYGS

Legend
I said if.
The point you avoided still stands. You are now admitting that quality is important, not just quantity.

To be fair, the one time I saw Djokovic live (Wimbledon), he was very impressive, particularly his movement. I understand why some might like him, but if, as you say, quality is important, Fed's ball striking is better, his touch is better and there is no such thing as a Fedosmash.
And you use present tense after it - it shows you think it’s likely. All the jibber jabbers above do not hide the fact that even haters like you think it’s inevitable.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
He appeals to the bourgeois upper-class patrons of the game. A lot of people who watch tennis, either belong in that class or want to be a part of that class. People don't like a Balkan warrior from a war-torn country or a Scotsman with grit and determination.
this post gave me cancer

yes people dont like djokovic because hes serbian, totally unrelated to their playing styles - I mean seriously wtf
 
For me, it’s the Federer. The best tennis player. I even ask for extra Wimbledons and the Pro Staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for Australian Opens and he gave me two. I said, “Wow, that fifth set was 6-3!” and the nice friendly Federer laughed and said, “I’m also going to win Wimbledon in three”.

Now Fed greets me with “hey I'm nearly 40” and ALWAYS gives me match wins. It’s such a fun and cool atmosphere at Fed matches, I go to TTW at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large match thread, 1-2 times at breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I’m in a rush but want a great match that is efficient, fast, and can match my daily sick tennis needs.

I even get to watch peak era highlights remastered in HD, it’s delicious! What a great tennis player.
Yeah, that's the crux of it.

Dude can play some ball.

Big time. :oops:

And if he wins folks some ched in the process, well that's just sort of a Robin Hood bag.

And it's a real feast for the eyes, to boot. (y)
 

beard

Hall of Fame
Novak and Rafa are in that very same boat.
Sorry but no... It's Federer, the captain, Nadal as first officer and Novak is not even a sailor, he is treated as stowaway...
Establishment would throw him of board, but only Novak's success stops them (all this if figurative speaking).

Federer is media biased in best possible way, and Novak is biased in worst possible way...
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Fed displayed some heroism to beat all the odds and win against his nemesis at the ripe age of 36 and came within 2 CP against his other nemesis at the ripe age of 38. Both situations were unthinkable. Its does take a big heart to come back and do stuff like that which the general public can take inspiration from.

Fed is a clean hero in my book.
 
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CYGS

Legend
Fed displayed some heroism to beat all the odds and win against his nemesis at the ripe age of 36 and came within 2 CP against his other nemesis at the ripe age of 38. Both situations were unthinkable. Its does take a big heart to come back and do stuff like that which the general public can take inspiration from.

Fed is a clean hero in my book.
An almost win (read *loss*) is considered a heroic achievement for Federer i.e. consolation prize for real losers.
 
Fed displayed some heroism to beat all the odds and win against his nemesis at the ripe age of 36 and came within 2 CP against his other nemesis at the ripe age of 38. Both situations were unthinkable. Its does take a big heart to come back and do stuff like that which the general public can take inspiration from.

Fed is a clean hero in my book.
Right.

"Beating the odds" by doing the impossible (at least in terms of conventional physiological expectations) elevates him to mythical status.

When you sprinkle in the rest of it—over the course of 20+ years—it becomes pure storybook.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
I love the aesthetics of his game and I was attracted to his personality as well as his winning ways in the beginning of his career. Almost certainly, Nadal and Djokovic will have more slams in the end, but for me Borg, Laver and Federer will always be favourites. I would love to see Roger have a good year, hopefully with another grand slam. I live in hope.
 
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Deleted member 744633

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Agree with " Power of media "

Federer is 1000 times better than Sachin Tendulkar, as a person .

UC media made Sachin into demi-god but he is one of the worst when it comes to fair play and being a good sport and person .

Indians will come running after me for this comment .but so be it :cool:

Whichever class/race/community has control over media controls the Government/masses .
Opinions like this are why I really like Maratha Warrior. It's easy to go with the flow and not dredge things out. But to step back and take an objective point of view is just not easy considering the droves of fanboys that will soon be on your tail.

Sachin Tendulkar is like Federer in the sense that both have fans that have little knowledge of the sport and fail to appreciate greatness in other players.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Problem with players better than Federer (Rafa and Novak) is their character. Rafa essentially cheats by taking too much time on the serve and Novak used to bounce the ball needlessly, but while that habit is gone, a general pissed-off mentality remains. Novak's disqualification from the USO and his role in the Adria tour which spread covid show a character issue.

That is why people still like a clean guy like Federer even though he is not as good as his rivals.
 

Blitzball

Professional
Federer exemplifies the universal trait that every great tennis player, and competitor for that matter, strives for. His grace of character and grace of game that he maintains in the face of great pressure makes him a generational hero--or at least an inspiration to many. He has had an occasional outburst, but Federer has otherwise been incredibly consistent, all while being under the scrutinous eye of the tennis world since he was a teenager.

Always remember, "Courage is grace under pressure."
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Problem with players better than Federer (Rafa and Novak) is their character. Rafa essentially cheats by taking too much time on the serve and Novak used to bounce the ball needlessly, but while that habit is gone, a general pissed-off mentality remains. Novak's disqualification from the USO and his role in the Adria tour which spread covid show a character issue.

That is why people still like a clean guy like Federer even though he is not as good as his rivals.
You are cheating readers by wrongfully accusing Rafa.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Opinions like this are why I really like Maratha Warrior. It's easy to go with the flow and not dredge things out. But to step back and take an objective point of view is just not easy considering the droves of fanboys that will soon be on your tail.

Sachin Tendulkar is like Federer in the sense that both have fans that have little knowledge of the sport and fail to appreciate greatness in other players.
Thank you for your kind words . But point out the flaws in me whenever you find in my comments ,I would welcome it too..

Btw I was one of the biggest fanboys of Sachin Tendulkar ,but when I became aware about society and reality I understood I was totally wrong .
His flaws are too many to ignore . Among indian cricketers ,I respect Rahul dravid now .

And one doesn't even have to be fan of Federer and Nadal to see that they are 1000 times better than Sachin as a person and their work outside of tennis speaks for itself too .

Media make demi-gods out of selfish people and our desi people get buthurt and angry if you point out flaws of their demi-god .
Remember how sachin fans trolled and abused Sharapova on social media few years back ,I was fan of Sachin back then but I saw how pathetic fans can be ...
 
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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Opinions like this are why I really like Maratha Warrior. It's easy to go with the flow and not dredge things out. But to step back and take an objective point of view is just not easy considering the droves of fanboys that will soon be on your tail.

Sachin Tendulkar is like Federer in the sense that both have fans that have little knowledge of the sport and fail to appreciate greatness in other players.
I have not seen you demonstrate any knowledge about tennis (in fact, quite the opposite), so from what position are you making those statements?

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I have not seen you demonstrate any knowledge about tennis (in fact, quite the opposite), so from what position are you making those statements?

:cool:
Your point has merit.

And in fact, it stands to reason that resentment—rather than authentic fandom—is born of a kind of ignorance.

Which may actually be deserving of pity.
 
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Deleted member 744633

Guest
I have not seen you demonstrate any knowledge about tennis (in fact, quite the opposite), so from what position are you making those statements?

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I have, on several occasions in this very forum, admitted to lacking knowledge of the technical nuances of the game but having watched tennis since the 70s , I'm not ignorant of its history. When some fools amble in here and say Sampras only ever dominated because of weak opposition, I have no choice but to call out their ignorance.
 
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