What is left for Novak?

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Novak Djokovic surpassed all levels of tennis in August this year, but there are still some interesting records that Novak could break soon.


The oldest slam winner: The record is currently held by Rosewall, but Novak will automatically overtake him if he wins the 25th slam.

Oldest masters winner: The record is held by Federer (37 years, 7 months and 10 days), Novak will overtake him if he wins IW25 or any masters after that.

Oldest grass champion: Rosewall (38years,1 months and 1 day), Novak becomes the record holder if he wins Eastbourne or Mallorca next year

The longest distance between the first and last Slam: The record is currently held by Nadal (17 years), interestingly, if Novak wins the AO next year, he will still not take over the record because Nadal will still have an advantage of 2 days. RG25 is the first chance to break this record.

Most slam of all time: The record currently shares with Margareth Court.
 
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zakopinjo said:
Novak Djokovic surpassed all levels of tennis in August this year, but there are still some interesting records that Novak could break soon.


The oldest slam winner: The record is currently held by Rosewall, but Novak will automatically overtake him if he wins the 25th slam.

Oldest masters winner: The record is held by Federer (37 years, 7 months and 10 days), Novak will overtake him if he wins IW25 or any masters after that.

Oldest grass champion: Rosewall (38years,1 months and 1 day), Novak becomes the record holder if he wins Eastbourne or Mallorca next year

The longest distance between the first and last Slam: The record is currently held by Nadal (17 years), interestingly, if Novak wins the AO next year, he will still not take over the record because Nadal will still have an advantage of 2 days. RG25 is the first chance to break this record.

Most slam of all time: The record currently shares with Margareth Court.
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He has never approached the very top level of tennis on grass or faster HCs. He is still well below Federer, Pete and others.

Next he should win a tournament playing ultra aggressive with lots of serve and volley.
 
The Serbian Ambassador to Australia would be a fitting accolade. Novak can hang out and train with Krygios in Canberra.
 
the only record of some importance that he does not already have is connors 109 titles.

other things:

another title for 100 or 5 for 104 (more than fed)
another slam for nice nr of 25
MC for 3x CGM and 3x all big titles (except OG)
RG for 4x CGS
W for record equalling
USO for record equalling
 
fedfan24 said:
He has never approached the very top level of tennis on grass or faster HCs. He is still well below Federer, Pete and others.

Next he should win a tournament playing ultra aggressive with lots of serve and volley.
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Novak is 3/3 in Wimbledon finals vs Federer and he has 11 titles combine in fast hard courts as in Shanghai masters and WTF.

 
All i hope is that he just wins one more title of ANY level, that's all i ask (even if it's something as insignificant as 250 level mickey mouse event with zero competition and cakewalk draw), prefferably on hard courts as well to break the tie with Federer for hard court titles record...finishing career one title shy of hitting 100 would be anticlimactic for someone with career resume of ND...it won't make Novak's career any less legendary, but it sure will stick like a sore thumb on his resume, just like Serena's consecutive weeks as #1 in women's tennis, which she was just week shy of breaking and instead will forever end up sharing with Graf. Same for Nadal's 92 titles, which is only 2 shy of Lendl, and Federer's overall tour level match wins sitting on 1251, only 23 matches away from equaling Connors' and 24 away from surpassing him, something that he was perfectly capable of doing if he didn't skip so much tennis since AO 2020...
 
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He won the majority of his titles in the CIE. If he wants to be seen as the true GOAT, he'll probably need to win at least 5 more slams with Sinner and Alcaraz playing. There's no excuse in terms of age differences.
 
Hitman said:
Just get that 100 title, right?
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Surely. His chances of wining slam are very thin. Now Novak has to be selective and try to win even if it is what other says mickey mouse tournament. Look how nadal played low profile tournament . Just to get that confidence going. And after rafa retiring it seems there is lack of motivation in Novak .
 
Sudacafan said:
At this moment and going forward, are we positive that Nole can win additional slams if he tries?
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Of course, he won't retire until he wins 25 slams.
Jonas78 said:
Not to take anything away from Djokovic, but on the other hand, Federer was almost 33y old when Djokovic first beat him on grass, and 37y old at Cincy, you can hardly hold that against him.
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Novak is 6 years younger than Federer, not 12 or 16 years. The age difference in their rivalry has almost no effect.
 
gamelovergold said:
Surely. His chances of wining slam are very thin. Now Novak has to be selective and try to win even if it is what other says mickey mouse tournament. Look how nadal played low profile tournament . Just to get that confidence going. And after rafa retiring it seems there is lack of motivation in Novak .
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I am sure Novak will hit 100 titles.
 
Challenge the various Roddick, Gonzalez, Karlovic, Kyrgios, Daniel, Dupuis, Evans, Nardi, Scheppingen, Volandri, Safin, Veselý and Tabilo, to fix the negative h2h against them.

Jokes aside, after the Olympic gold Djokovic no longer has to prove anything to anyone, any goal he may still achieve will no longer change anything in his legacy, even if he were to surpass Connors' record for number of tournaments won.

He has simply achieved all the most significant records in tennis, which is why nothing changes in the economics of his career, everything he will or will not achieve between now and his retirement.
 
zakopinjo said:
Of course, he won't retire until he wins 25 slams.

Novak is 6 years younger than Federer, not 12 or 16 years. The age difference in their rivalry has almost no effect.
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Of course it has effect when the three matches was when Federer was 33-38y lol.
 
Sport said:
If by the "three matches" you mean the W finals, Federer was 33-37. Federer was 32 years old at W 2014 and 37 years old at W 2019.
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Yes i mean those W finals on grass. He was a month from turning 33.

Its like some people seriously think its the same being chased by Medvedev, Rublev and Tsitsipas as being chased by Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. Of course youre at a disadvantage vs Djokodal & Murray when theyre at their peak and you are in your thirties (i dont believe i actually have to say it)
 
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Jonas78 said:
Of course it has effect when the three matches was when Federer was 33-38y lol.
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4-5-6 years difference has literally no effect on the game, especially in today's modern tennis

The 37-year-old Novak destroyed the 21-year-old Alcaraz and now you will tell me that there is a big difference between a 27-year-old and a 33-year-old or a 32-year-old and a 38-year-old
 
zakopinjo said:
4-5-6 years difference has literally no effect on the game, especially in today's modern tennis

The 37-year-old Novak destroyed the 21-year-old Alcaraz and now you will tell me that there is a big difference between a 27-year-old and a 33-year-old or a 32-year-old and a 38-year-old
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Novak doesnt destroy Alcaraz and Sinner, especially not in 5 sets.

Of course 6 years is relevant. I dont believe i actually have to say it, but its not the same being chased by Medvedev, Rublev and Tsitsipas, as being chased by Djokovic, Nadal and Murray.
 
Jonas78 said:
Yes i mean those W finals on grass. He was a month from turning 33.

Its like some people seriously think its the same being chased by Medvedev, Rublev and Tsitsipas as being chased by Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. Of course youre at a disadvantage vs Djokodal & Murray when theyre at their peak and you are in your thirties (i dont believe i actually have to say it)
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It's also not the same being chased by Roddick, Safin and Hewitt than being chased by Djokovic. From 2003 to 2009 Federer won 9 Slams without facing Nadalovic and was definetely not chased by Novak in any significant way those years. Nadal was competiton on clay and grass but not on hard yet till the AO 2009.

Federer got the early advantage of not having to face peak Novak and he only faced peak Nadal on grass from 2006 onwards, in 2003, 2004 and 2005 he won W without facing Djokodal. Federer also won all of his Slams on hard between 2004 and 2006 without facing Nadovic. Federer also grabbed many YE #1 and weeks at #1 without competing against peak Djokovic, nor peak Nadal on hard.

That's a luxury that more than compensates him having to compete against Novak at an older age later in his career.
 
Jonas78 said:
Novak doesnt destroy Alcaraz and Sinner, especially not in 5 sets.

Of course 6 years is relevant. I dont believe i actually have to say it, but its not the same being chased by Medvedev, Rublev and Tsitsipas, as being chased by Djokovic, Nadal and Murray.
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Last year he demolished Sinner in the semi-finals of Wimbledon, he was 1 point away from demolishing Alcaraz in the final.
Alcaraz experienced the only cramps in his career against Novak at RG.
He humiliated them both at the ATP Finals
Destroyed Alcaraz physically and mentally in Cincinnati
Destroyed him in tiebreaks this year at the Olympics (the whole forum swears that Alcaraz is unbeatable on clay, Novak was given less than 5% chances)
He will knock them out next season, either of them on AO.

Does Maestro have any big final wins against any kid 12-17 years younger than him?
 
gamelovergold said:
Keep your fingers crossed. Myself great fan of Novak but sinner alcaraz are getting hot and novak aura is dimnishing day by day. Personally i would like him to pass roger tally( 103) .
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I am sure they cannot stop him winning a 100th title, since it can come anywhere and they don't need to be in the draw. I personally don't care about the Federer mark, it's not the record, the record belongs to Connors, and realistically if Djokovic cannot break it, I suspect Connors will keep that record for the rest of his life.
 
zakopinjo said:
Last year he demolished Sinner in the semi-finals of Wimbledon, he was 1 point away from demolishing Alcaraz in the final.
Alcaraz experienced the only cramps in his career against Novak at RG.
He humiliated them both at the ATP Finals
Destroyed Alcaraz physically and mentally in Cincinnati
Destroyed him in tiebreaks this year at the Olympics (the whole forum swears that Alcaraz is unbeatable on clay, Novak was given less than 5% chances)
He will knock them out next season, either of them on AO.

Does Maestro have any big final wins against any kid 12-17 years younger than him?
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Last time I checked Sincaraz won all the slams in 2024.

Ill show Djokovic respect and wont turn this thread into a Maestro-thread. But when some claim age is irrelevant in their last three Wimbledon matches, the first one being when Fed was a month away from 33, I have to say something.
 
Hitman said:
I am sure they cannot stop him winning a 100th title, since it can come anywhere and they don't need to be in the draw. I personally don't care about the Federer mark, it's not the record, the record belongs to Connors, and realistically if Djokovic cannot break it, I suspect Connors will keep that record for the rest of his life.
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Very realistically, Novak is the last tennis player who will have the opportunity to achieve this.

I don't see that it will be possible in the future because most of the top players will only focus on slams and masters, and not on all masters like big3 (Novak missed 6 masters from 2007 to 2016, Nadal 2 from 2007 to half of 2012), but on a certain number of them (Alcaraz has already missed 5 masters from 2022 until today).
 
Sport said:
It's also not the same being chased by Roddick, Safin and Hewitt than being chased by Djokovic. From 2003 to 2009 Federer won 9 Slams without facing Nadalovic and was definetely not chased by Novak in any significant way those years. Nadal was competiton on clay and grass but not on hard yet till the AO 2009.

Federer got the early advantage of not having to face peak Novak and he only faced peak Nadal on grass from 2006 onwards, in 2003, 2004 and 2005 he won W without facing Djokodal. Federer also won all of his Slams on hard between 2004 and 2006 without facing Nadovic. Federer also grabbed many YE #1 and weeks at #1 without competing against peak Djokovic, nor peak Nadal on hard.

That's a luxury that more than compensates him having to compete against Novak at an older age later in his career.
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Not saying that. Just saying you cant conclude that age isnt a disadvantage, based on that Djokodal didnt have any huge problems with Rublev, Tsits and Meddy.

With the rise of Sincaraz its becoming crystal clear that there wasnt any really top level players between Nole and Sinner. Sinner is what, 6-1 vs Med in their last 7 matches? Sincaraz are already completely dominating every older player except Nole.
 
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Jonas78 said:
Ill show Djokovic respect and wont turn this thread into a Maestro-thread. But when some claim age is irrelevant in their last three Wimbledon matches, the first one being when Fed was a month away from 33, I have to say something.
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Their first match was when Federer was 30 years and 11 months old and Novak was 25 years and 2 months old. Federer won that match
The second match was when Federer was 32 years and 11 months old and Novak was 27 years and 2 months old. Novak won that match
When Novak was 32 years and 2 months old, he was one point away from losing against Federer, who was 37 years and 11 months old.

The age difference doesn't matter at all.
 
zakopinjo said:
Their first match was when Federer was 30 years and 11 months old and Novak was 25 years and 2 months old. Federer won that match
The second match was when Federer was 32 years and 11 months old and Novak was 27 years and 2 months old. Novak won that match
When Novak was 32 years and 2 months old, he was one point away from losing against Federer, who was 37 years and 11 months old.

The age difference doesn't matter at all.
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Guess we have to agree to disagree, i wont poison this thread with the Maestro anymore :)
 
fedfan24 said:
He has never approached the very top level of tennis on grass or faster HCs. He is still well below Federer, Pete and others.

Next he should win a tournament playing ultra aggressive with lots of serve and volley.
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Do you regard Djokovic as an ATG? I am conflicted. On the one hand, his Peak Level never reached 190/200, tapping out at 189. I usually regard having played at least one match at 190+ Level as a prerequisite for ATG status. On the other hand, he was so consistent that he might count as a low-tier ATG. Maybe tier 4?
 
Jonas78 said:
Not saying that. Just saying you cant conclude that age isnt a disadvantage, based on that Djokodal didnt have any huge problems with Rublev, Tsits and Meddy.

With the rise of Sincaraz its becoming crystal clear that there wasnt any really top level players between Nole and Sinner. Sinner is what, 6-1 vs Med in their last 7 matches? Sincaraz are already completely dominating every older player except Nole.
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Yes, age was a disadvantage later in Federer's career. I think no one will deny that.
 
Lleytonstation said:
That's one surface at one tourney. Compared to the greats it truly isn't a lot for grass titles.
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W is the surface

if you talk about accomplishments you talk about big titles. on HC it is 2 slams, WTF and 6 masters. on CC it is RG and 3 masters and on GC it is all about W. and OG shift surfaces.
 
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