What is more possible? Nadal wins the 21st Slam title or Djokovic reaches 311 weeks at No.1?

Belgrad13

Rookie
Personally, I do not believe that either is happening because it is not wanted by the media and the ATP and the ITF.
But what of both would be more likely? As I said, I don't think either will happen...
 
Both are clearly possible, and as far as the "media" goes they would actually love this as it creates a race and since they have no young superstars to sell, they need this.

But which one comes first or is more likely? Clearly that is Rafa getting 21, as he has the FO in the bag so he could sneak an AO and might be favored at USO.

Djoker needs to get to number one first.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
I think both are almost equally possible, if I can express myself this way.Nadal has his pet slam and he has chances at other slams too, especially at the USO and Djokovic is already very close when it comes to weeks at No1.Fed is unlikely to be Word Number One again, given his age, and I don't see any reasons for Djokovic to not add a couple of more weeks.The weeks at no1 record will 99% be Djokovic's when it's all said and done.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Personally, I do not believe that either is happening because it is not wanted by the media and the ATP and the ITF.
But what of both would be more likely? As I said, I don't think either will happen...
How does the media have any say? How many returns are they hitting?
Not sure about 311 but 21 is gonna happen. I’d be shocked if it didn’t
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I’d like to see Margaret Court make a comeback and increase her slam lead over Serena, but the media would never allow it.
 

Belgrad13

Rookie
How does the media have any say? How many returns are they hitting?
Not sure about 311 but 21 is gonna happen. I’d be shocked if it didn’t
It doesn't suit the media if the champ loses one of the two records. The established will find a way to prevent it. Heavy draws and things like that.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic will need to perform well across the year to gain the number 1 ranking boost. Nadal needs a couple of good BO5 fortnights to break the record. So I'd bet on Nadal.
 

Belgrad13

Rookie
Why’d they let Rafa get within 1 slam then?
That's not so bad, because Nadal lags well behind in other stats.
But the next slam title alone would be a deep cut and something tells me it's going to be hard.
By the way, for all the other players, especially Djokovic.
 
I think Nadal will reach 21 mayors at Roland Garros in 2021. Novak will probably end up at 350, 360 weeks when it is all said and done. And the best case scenario if he avoids serious injuries, he will reach 400 weeks.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Yeah very sad that Fed wasnt able to summon Berrettini for his matches.
Well, they both summoned Del Potro in 17 did they not? So sad that Del Potro was too good for the ageless wonder.

In 19, Roger couldn't get past the big bad dimitrov, so he certainly would haven't been able to beat Medvedev either. I didn't know Berretini was in he final, I thought it was Medvedev.
 

buscemi

Hall of Fame
Both seem quite possible:

-Nadal winning (1) the 2020 French Open; and (2) the 2021 French Open or the 2020 U.S. Open or some other second Major​
-Djokovic becoming #1 in 2020 and holding the #1 ranking for 36 weeks in 2020 or 2020-2021.​

I might give the slight edge to Rafa b/c he's more of a threat to Djokovic becoming/keeping #1 than anyone is to keeping Nadal from winning 2 more French Opens.
 

Belgrad13

Rookie
The question must, of course, also be interpreted in such a way that it should be called whether Nadal is also the record holder with the 21 titles...
 

ibbi

Legend
Well, on paper one of them takes 4 weeks of work to accomplish while the other takes a lot more than that. The latter also requires a degree of consistency Novak lacked certainly last year. I am not convinced either is happening, but just by amount of time it takes I think 21 is the more likely.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Well, they both summoned Del Potro in 17 did they not? So sad that Del Potro was too good for the ageless wonder.

In 19, Roger couldn't get past the big bad dimitrov, so he certainly would haven't been able to beat Medvedev either. I didn't know Berretini was in he final, I thought it was Medvedev.
Good that Del Potro was summoned against Federer first, no?

Oh, and, we will see how good Nadal will fare against even the Dimitrovs of the tour when he is 37.

Also, outside of clay Nadal never managed to beat two top 5 players (or top 8 players) in a SF/F for any of his Major titles (but he had many chances to do that and failed every time).

 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Good that Del Potro was summoned against Federer first, no?

Oh, and, we will see how good Nadal will fare against even the Dimitrovs of the tour when he is 37.

Also, outside of clay Nadal never managed to beat two top 5 players (or top 8 players) in a SF/F for any of his Major titles (but he had many chances to do that and failed every time).

Delpo is only good for one match then? Hate to break it to you but Roger wasn't his first match of the event. Hell, he was coming off a tough match with Thiem before they played and he "still" beat Roger.

Whocares how old Roger was at the US19, he was still a top player and Dimitrov had enough form to best him. If the competition were so subpar, there is no excuse for Roger's ineptitude.
 

beard

Hall of Fame
Nadal 70% chance...
Novak 99% chance, just carrier ending injure will stop him, and beside Nadal no other player showed needed consistency to hold no1 for longer time...
 

BGod

Legend
Well Novak could take back #1 after AO.

Nadal hasn't ever repeated a Slam outside the French so it's unlikely he gets more than 1 this year.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Personally, I do not believe that either is happening because it is not wanted by the media and the ATP and the ITF.
And how is the "media" and the APT going to prevent Nadal from winning RG in 4 months? How is the "media" and the ATP going to prevent Novak from getting another year ranked #1? Do please elaborate on your conspiracy theory.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Delpo is only good for one match then? Hate to break it to you but Roger wasn't his first match of the event. Hell, he was coming off a tough match with Thiem before they played and he "still" beat Roger.

Whocares how old Roger was at the US19, he was still a top player and Dimitrov had enough form to best him. If the competition were so subpar, there is no excuse for Roger's ineptitude.
So, not only Federer, but Thiem before that "tenderised" Del Po before his potential encounter with Nadal: ah, just how beautiful the draws work, don't they, and then some people have the audacity to talk about "the same" draws that the players were in when Nadal won this or that title with questionable path to it. Thanks for bringing that up. Needless to say it, I already mentioned that Nadal couldn't do what you here just throw in as an "option": beat more than one super high quality opponent in a row. It seems like the Nadal fans immediately forget what they consider normal in regard to other players when comparing them with what the Nadal should/could/would have done.

That is what I am saying: who cares how old the Nadal is. He should be held to the same standard at 37 as is Federer by the likes of you. I guess we will see about that soon enough.

 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
So, not only Federer, but Thiem before that "tenderised" Del Po before his potential encounter with Nadal: ah, just how beautiful the draws work, don't they, and then some people have the audacity to talk about "the same" draws that the players were in when Nadal won this or that title with questionable path to it. Thanks for bringing that up. Needless to say it, I already mentioned that Nadal couldn't do what you here just throw in as an "option": beat more than one super high quality opponent in a row. It seems like the Nadal fans immediately forget what they consider normal in regard to other players when comparing them with what the Nadal should/could/would have done.

That is what I am saying: who cares how old the Nadal is. He should be held to the same standard at 37 as is Federer by the likes of you. I guess we will see about that soon enough.

Where is the proof that facing Fed was significantly detrimental to Del Potro's performance against Rafa? Where is the proof that playing a tough five setter against Thiem two matches prior prevented Del Potro from being a "super high quality opponent" for Rafa?

No two players can have the same draw, no idea what you are even talking about. With that said, it's laughable for people to complain about how weak the field is when ATG top players who are in form can not navigate through them.

I didn't say Fed needed to achieve anything at 37 anymore than I said he should have been achieving anything at 19. What I'm saying is you are using Fed's age as an excuse but the reality is he's still a top player. In fact, he's one of the potentially "super high quality opponents" you are complaining that Rafa didn't have to face.

There is a big difference from me suggesting that Roger at 37 is still a top class player and me saying that Roger's legacy is being tarnished by his failures at his age.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Where is the proof that facing Fed was significantly detrimental to Del Potro's performance against Rafa? Where is the proof that playing a tough five setter against Thiem two matches prior prevented Del Potro from being a "super high quality opponent" for Rafa?
The proof is in the pie, and the humble version of it was served to Nadal every time he tried to do what you ask here, hence me talking in my previous post about having a double standards.

No two players can have the same draw, no idea what you are even talking about.
My suspicion is that you are intentionally playing dumb, because no one who actually talks about draws in a reasonable manner would think that that is what I said.

With that said, it's laughable for people to complain about how weak the field is when ATG top players who are in form can not navigate through them.
I don't know where you forgot your standards when talking about these things, but they are nowhere to be seen regarding Nadal's inability to beat several top form elite competitors in a row in the SF/F of any Major outside of clay, but even if we concentrate on your statement as a fact we will notice that you seem to think that "age is just a number", which leads us to the next part of your post>

I didn't say Fed needed to achieve anything at 37 anymore than I said he should have been achieving anything at 19. What I'm saying is you are using Fed's age as an excuse but the reality is he's still a top player. In fact, he's one of the potentially "super high quality opponents" you are complaining that Rafa didn't have to face.

There is a big difference from me suggesting that Roger at 37 is still a top class player and me saying that Roger's legacy is being tarnished by his failures at his age.
You don't get what I am saying and also don't know what you are claiming. You say that age doesn't matter for Federer to be "failing" against the Dimitrov's of the tour and that Nadal didn't have that problem. I am saying that we will see soon enough whether you will hold Nadal to the same standard that "age is just a number". If you do, you are consistent, if you try to find ways to excuse eventual "ineptitude" on Nadal's side then I guess I will have to conclude that you were trolling.

 

Wilsonpro

Rookie
Personally, I do not believe that either is happening because it is not wanted by the media and the ATP and the ITF.
But what of both would be more likely? As I said, I don't think either will happen...
Nadal definitely will surpass Federer as he has had so much time off tour he actually has 5 years left playing at a high level and only Djokovic is really a challenger to him.

Djokovic is harder to fathom. His problem is he seems to struggle with Next Gen which means he is going to fade as year goes on due to fatigue. Unless he can challenge Nadal on American Hard courts and clay its hard to see him getting no.1 ranking back. For Djokovic much depends on the upcoming AO. I feel for him it is must win.
 
Nadal definitely will surpass Federer as he has had so much time off tour he actually has 5 years left playing at a high level and only Djokovic is really a challenger to him.

Djokovic is harder to fathom. His problem is he seems to struggle with Next Gen which means he is going to fade as year goes on due to fatigue. Unless he can challenge Nadal on American Hard courts and clay its hard to see him getting no.1 ranking back. For Djokovic much depends on the upcoming AO. I feel for him it is must win.
I agree. As things stand Nadal is the favourite to end up with the most slams. However, a Novak win at aussi open will put him right back in mix and heat up the race. I feel though that to help Novak’s chances to overtake Rafa he may need to either try to wrestle the french crown from him or hope thiem does. As if Rafa keeps winning paris every year it’s gonna make it tough for Novak to pass him.

It’s crazy that fed is still out in front and we all thought it was unlikely he’d be caught by either at one point. Now we putting fed in the shade and saying it’s gonna end up between Nadal and Djokovic. I think fed knows 20 isn’t enough and will do everything in his powers to try add another or 2. He will still have his chances but will be tough for him now at 38, time and the competition is against him.

Djokovic has the Indian sign over fed and Rafa on court. However, I agree that he’s proven to be more vulnerable to likes of tsistpas, Medvedev, thiem, etc. Therefore the draw at these slams will prove crucial.

2020 is gonna be exciting and we will know more again on how the slam race will look
 

titoelcolombiano

Hall of Fame
Both are likely to happen.

Is anyone going to tell me Rafa isn't the hot favourit for RG in a few months? If he wins it there is 20 and he just needs one more.

Equally, Djokovic is going to be favourite for the AO, Wimbledon and most of the hard court M1000 this year which could easily return him the number 1 ranking. 36 weeks isn't really that long if he gets back there.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic may well get #1 back by the conclusion of the AO, in which case I don't expect Nadal to get it back until 2021--if Nadal ever does regain #1.

So I say Djokovic getting the #1 ranking.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
The proof is in the pie, and the humble version of it was served to Nadal every time he tried to do what you ask here, hence me talking in my previous post about having a double standards.

My suspicion is that you are intentionally playing dumb, because no one who actually talks about draws in a reasonable manner would think that that is what I said.

I don't know where you forgot your standards when talking about these things, but they are nowhere to be seen regarding Nadal's inability to beat several top form elite competitors in a row in the SF/F of any Major outside of clay, but even if we concentrate on your statement as a fact we will notice that you seem to think that "age is just a number", which leads us to the next part of your post>

You don't get what I am saying and also don't know what you are claiming. You say that age doesn't matter for Federer to be "failing" against the Dimitrov's of the tour and that Nadal didn't have that problem. I am saying that we will see soon enough whether you will hold Nadal to the same standard that "age is just a number". If you do, you are consistent, if you try to find ways to excuse eventual "ineptitude" on Nadal's side then I guess I will have to conclude that you were trolling.

Still zero proof to back up your claim so I'll take that as a concession that your opinion was an overstatement.

As to the matter of draws, I misread your statement. If you believe that the version of Del Potro who faced Roger was significantly better than the version who faced Rafa in the next round, provide some actual evidence. How diminished was he by the time he faced Rafa for example as compared to Fed? How diminished was Del Potro from the match he played against Thiem vs the match he played against Roger?

Your inference as it relates to age is unhelpful to the discussion and I don't like strawmen.

I got what you were saying, you clearly failed to understand what I was saying though. I'm not knocking Roger (historically) for losing matches at 35,36,37 or pick an age. What I'm suggesting is that if you are going to knock Rafa's opponents for being so poor, then even 37 year old (in form) Roger should have dispatched them. If for the sake of your fanatic sensibilities it makes it easier, lets just call Roger after 34 years old Boger Federer instead.

People knock Rafa for not having to play Boger Federer (thus acknowledging that Boger is a "super high quality opponent") but then when Boger loses to someone it's just dismissed as Boger being too old. Well he wasn't too old to still be a top two or three player and compete for slams (he's elite).

If Rafa isn't winning whatever matches you are suggesting at 37, literally changes nothing I'm saying which is just more evidence that you didn't get it (despite claiming that was me). If Rafa is still an elite player at 37 and he loses a match, the credit deserved for beating him shouldn't be withheld simply because of his age. If his age has gotten to him to the point where he's not even elite, that's a different matter but that would apply to anyone.
 
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Wilsonpro

Rookie
I agree. As things stand Nadal is the favourite to end up with the most slams. However, a Novak win at aussi open will put him right back in mix and heat up the race. I feel though that to help Novak’s chances to overtake Rafa he may need to either try to wrestle the french crown from him or hope thiem does. As if Rafa keeps winning paris every year it’s gonna make it tough for Novak to pass him.

It’s crazy that fed is still out in front and we all thought it was unlikely he’d be caught by either at one point. Now we putting fed in the shade and saying it’s gonna end up between Nadal and Djokovic. I think fed knows 20 isn’t enough and will do everything in his powers to try add another or 2. He will still have his chances but will be tough for him now at 38, time and the competition is against him.

Djokovic has the Indian sign over fed and Rafa on court. However, I agree that he’s proven to be more vulnerable to likes of tsistpas, Medvedev, thiem, etc. Therefore the draw at these slams will prove crucial.

2020 is gonna be exciting and we will know more again on how the slam race will look
Agree with all that. The only reason i write Federer off is purely physical. We saw in London couple of months ago what can happen when he is in zone on favourable conditions. But can he avoid that one shocker match over 2 weeks.

Apparently the Next Gen get on much more with Djokovic off court than Rafa who tends to just hang out with spanish guys. I think this is partly why Novak struggles with Next Gen as perhaps because they are mates off court with Novak the aura isnt there.

I really like Thiem but i think he missed his chance in Paris. He is too one dimensional and and players know now to keep him out there and he may have a day when he hits back fence alot and he is now wromg side of 25 so physically perhaps not the iron man he once was.

The guy who may actually bag the FO other than Nadal is Tsitsipas. His best tennis ive seen is on clay strangely.

One massive worry i have for Nadal and djokovic is they are getting diatracted by all thia bush fore stuff...federer is as well plus the greta stuff but Nadal.and Djokovic also played ATp cup and i just feel all three may mentally struggle to be bang at it for 2 weeks. This is a great chance for one of Next Gen to breakthrough and Medvedev maybe that guy
 
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