What Is The ATP Forehand?

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Fed forehand is a little weird - because no one really hits with that eastern grip.. Novak forehand is more approachable IMHO.. The basic ideas of the "Macci" forehand which is kinda sorta Fedesque is pretty approachable IMHO. Most kids growing up today learn something along these lines if they have a decent coach..

Basically outside setup - relaxed wrist - loop through PTD. To me the major difference is that the racquet goes more face down in the drop - and not on side.. as well as the outside setup..


Going back to sports analogies - again - lots of guys can kind of hit like this. Just like lots of HS QBs kinda sorta throw like Tom Brady. They aren't as accurate. They break down more. etc But the basic throwing motion is very similiar. Likewise amateur players can hit forehands this 'style'

Some quirks of this I have learned from my coach. Elevate the rear elbow (aka tilt the racquet forward some) this makes it easier to stay "outside" and not revert to "inside".

Another thing is that unlike Macci's demonstration - in the real world you simply pass through PTD - as you want to let gravity help you. It's almost like an underhand throw of sorts.. Sure you can hit some starting out with PTD - but its too segemented - you need to smooth it all out again.

A third tip I learned was that you should time your hip drive after racquet has really fallen below the ball (as part of your loop).. Too early can be bad or even worse then not enough..
 
@jch if you are keen to share this knowledge, how about starting a new AMA style thread here dedicated to Inertial Tennis? Serious request. I'm interested to find out more.

That's a good idea. I will do that in a few days when I have more links to remove by admins :P

Dragy, I hope you will understand my problems with explanations very soon. I forgot that everyone here knows better than Federer what the Federer forehand is, and reactions of people are a bit more intense than my expectations. Nobody is perfect :(

Curious, I want your money so much... Oh. If you do not like inertial techniques, go practice your "Federer forehand". You know why. You have THE GOAL.

Yoneyama: There is too much to explain at the beginning. This is the problem. I could explain the nature of inertial tennis in two sentences. Then unprepared yoneyamas here would destroy everything around. All I wanted was to signal the existence of a new set of techniques. People like you decided to transform this signal into a small war.
 
That's a good idea. I will do that in a few days when I have more links to remove by admins :p

Dragy, I hope you will understand my problems with explanations very soon. I forgot that everyone here knows better than Federer what the Federer forehand is, and reactions of people are a bit more intense than my expectations. Nobody is perfect :(

Curious, I want your money so much... Oh. If you do not like inertial techniques, go practice your "Federer forehand". You know why. You have THE GOAL.

Yoneyama: There is too much to explain at the beginning. This is the problem. I could explain the nature of inertial tennis in two sentences. Then unprepared yoneyamas here would destroy everything around. All I wanted was to signal the existence of a new set of techniques. People like you decided to transform this signal into a small war.

I'm not going to continue this arguement with you anymore as you don't seem to be paying one iota of attention to what I am actually saying. All you can do is ignore and deflect. Typical HFA behaviour.

My problem is that your technique is undoubtably putting massive strain on the wrist joint. The flicking of your wrist is unnatural and forced. Your videos show you literally arming the ball around with your wrist. You barely engage your body or step into the ball. You are just going to end up hurting yourself. I don't care if you get hurt, but if people actually try and copy your technique how are you going to answer to them when they come back blaming the absurd wrist flicking for their injuries? The backhand you do as well also has a completely unnecessary wrist flicking motion that does NOTHING beneficial.

If you could actually explain how your technique is SAFE using actual theory then I wouldn't have a problem. At the moment though you are just selling snake oil.
 
Who was that phony/crazy poster, from Quebeck if I remember correctly, who claimed all sorts of stuff based on his "biomechanical engineering", but couldn't play tennis for dear life?
He was also supposed to revolutionize the tennis and tried to promote a book...

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My problem is that your technique is undoubtably putting massive strain on the wrist joint.

The work of my wrist is close to 0 in any inertial technique. You see as much of the world as you know about it. So I agree, it's your problem.

Take a lesson from yourself. You have consistently failed to precisely define your concept (or define it at all), so you should reject it!

Yes, yes. As a science journalist, editor and science popularizer, I have 30+ years of experience, how to not explain complicated things.

Great conclusion.

Who was that phony/crazy poster, from Quebeck if I remember correctly, who claimed all sorts of stuff based on his "biomechanical engineering", but couldn't play tennis for dear life?
He was also supposed to revolutionize the tennis and tried to promote a book...

Tess, maestro. Tess.
 
The work of my wrist is close to 0 in any inertial technique. You see as much of the world as you know about it. So I agree, it's your problem.



Yes, yes. As a science journalist, editor and science popularizer, I have 30+ years of experience, how to not explain complicated things.

Great conclusion.



Tess, maestro. Tess.


Do you actually have any experience or qualifications in physics, or are you simply a journalist? On your website jch you claim you are a physicist, however when searching for your name which is found on your website (that I won't put on here) I can only find references to you as a journalist. I have searched several international databases which I have access to through my university and I can't seem to find your name on any of them o_O. I mean, if you are actually as qualified as you claim to be why can't I seem to find any proof of it?

Quote, from your website:

"J____________, Polish physicist, popularizer of natural and technical sciences (over 30 years of experience), author of several hundred popular science articles in national media, science journalist and editor promoting in Poland and around the world achievements of the leading Polish scientific institutions, such as the Faculty of Physics of the University of Warsaw, the Institute of Nuclear Physics of the Polish Academy of Sciences, the Institute of Physical Chemistry of the PAS, the Institute of Experimental Biology of the PAS and others."
 
Do you actually have any experience or qualifications in physics, or are you simply a journalist? On your website jch you claim you are a physicist, however when searching for your name which is found on your website (that I won't put on here) I can only find references to you as a journalist. I have searched several international databases which I have access to through my university and I can't seem to find your name on any of them o_O. I mean, if you are actually as qualified as you claim to be why can't I seem to find any proof of it?

Because you are... Well, let's be nice. I am M.Sc. in physics. I do not work as a scientist. You really think I would run a physics seminar in one of the best institutes of the Polish Academy of Sciences if I was not a physicist? I love the way you think.

...or maybe not?
 
so i see you're just on here to pick fights with everyone... lol, tool.

Your crush on me is showing.

Holding people to a basic standard of intellectual integrity is not picking fights.

Calling people names, like 'tool', or 'pig', or 'are you 12'? That's picking fights. Do you ever ask yourself if you're a hypocrite?
 
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Courage? I have shown many times before I have no problem posting videos.
Anyway, here you go. Nice and simple. I hear some folks need to spend 10 years to figure this out!!
Reminder: we are talking about Fed's basic motion, don't make silly comments about how it's not remotely identical!!
Next Gulbis fh but I need to study that a little.;)



LOL

You can't be serious.
 
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Yes, yes. As a science journalist, editor and science popularizer, I have 30+ years of experience, how to not explain complicated things.

This thread alone is empirical evidence that your confidence in your explanatory power is misplaced.

The only thing I'm sad about is that Julian (RIP) isn't here to guess at what you mean, given that he had a PhD in physics.

If you are only marketing your tennis instruction to people with degrees in physics, you'll find that you have a very limited market. Again, could you please show the math demonstrating your current forehand "uses inertia to optimize the work of conservation laws in the kinematic chain." This at least would allow us to see what your simplifying assumption are in your modeling of a tennis stroke and show how you are calculating an optimization.
 
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