What is the best/worst money you've ever spent on tennis?

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  1. Mongolmike

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    Gotta agree. Bought a simple Klippermate drop weight almost 20 years ago, still rock solid. Simple, consistent, and fast enough for occasional stringing. I think I paid $129 for it and have strung 100s of strings. Often think about upgrading...but then I think "why?" It does everything I need.

    Worst money- many, many racquets because I am a sucker for shiny things.
     
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  2. Shroud

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    Sure i swing harder but they swing faster :).

    They are not using the high sw i am though Murray used to use 400sw. Higher sw= higher tension imho. Also they arent using 110” sticks usually. High sw and os frames need high tension to tame the power.

    You weight your stick up to 380+ sw and see if 50lbs works for you...

    Also high tension mains with lower tension crosses say 50lbs lower helps with spin and comfort while still allowing control
     
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  3. ptuanminh

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    You use 380+ sw racquet? Thats pretty crazy. Mine has only 325. With 380 sw, you probably can't use low tension string.
    TPPS: i don't higher tension means you can swing harder.
     
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  4. Shroud

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    Yeah, i dialed it down from 400sw and once you hit with higher sw its hard to go back.

    Right you are on the string tensions
     
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  5. StringSnapper

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    Shroud, of the arm of steel
     
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  6. Shroud

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    Its the swing weight! I strung my bab at 65 lbs iirc and my wrist was starting to hurt. NEVER get wrist pain! But it was stock. Ao with more weight no issues!
     
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  7. StringSnapper

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    True. The bab i used had no lead on it, think it was 320g strung with an 18x20. I was swinging damn fast and hard to get it back over the net.

    But still, i imagine most players dont lead up the racquets. Every other racquet ive used has been fine for my elbow without custimization. Oh man, the head youtek prestige ig is a dream to play with.
     
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  8. Shroud

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    Yeah most dont. Never tried Heads. Though i almost bought the Ti7 or whatever that granny stick is.

    I wish they made a granny stick in an 18x20 pattern or at least a dense one. The Gamma RZR 100T is really dense. I actually had to go down in tension on the crosses

    Ok, add lead tape to the list of one of the best things i spent money on
     
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  9. Bender

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    I used to string ALU Rough at 65 lbs on the 2010 APD. No arm issues either, but I won't be going back to that anytime soon.

    Currently using the PS90 and the RF97A with Hyper G at 45 lbs.

    Edit: Also Pro Line Evolution, 48 lbs.
     
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    After going through this thread I realised that I need to buy a stringer. Urgently. Poly doesn’t last more than 6 hours for me.

    And the worst money spent: Tennis lessons!
    Even spending $$$ on pro-stocks is a better investment than spending on coaches!
     
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    I see and hate a lot of the ones...”very nice! Good! Atta’boy! Again!”
     
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    Worst money: Taking lessons. In 40+ years of playing tennis, I have never seen a "pro" that could teach worth a lick, and every lesson I've ever had, I've driven home PO'ed for spending all that money (e.g. $50-$60 an hour) and not learning a damn thing, just the same old crap like "serve from 7 oclock to 1 oclock" or "lift with your legs to generate topspin."
     
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    I am amazed at the issue with lessons! I think if you want a fun way to improve the group sessions are good. But I think 1-on-1 lessons are good IF you have a goal - can you fix my ball toss? Can you fix my 1hb.
     
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  14. TimeToPlaySets

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    The point of lessons is not only to get tips.
    It's so you can drill your strokes 1000's of times.

    The coach is there to feed balls, and tell you what you're still doing wrong, or not doing.
    Tennis is a mechanical game long before it's a game of strategy.
    It takes a long time (months) to break a bad habit, and almost daily lessons/feeds are basically the only way it will ever happen.
     
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  15. ptuanminh

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    Of course, having a coach is the best. But lets say i cant afford a coach on regular basis or spending that kind of money is not necessary, can you still get to decent level of tennis with minimal coaching?
     
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    Of course.

    Develop a decent second serve, and use it all the time.

    Develop a purely defensive backhand. Moonball, slice, whatever. Any time somebody hits an approach to that wing, lob.

    Spend 100% of the rest of your practice time on your FH. Crosscourt, I/O, and inside DTL from the backhand corner.

    That, plus a willingness to sweat a little more than your opponents as you go to great lengths to never hit a backhand again, will get you to 4.0 with only one "real" stroke.

    That, plus a maniacal dedication to improving your fitness will get you to 5.0.
     
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  17. nytennisaddict

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    *klippermate stringer... 30y old and still kicking!

    worst:
    *wilson hammer racquets
    *bad lessons (go by reputation only!)
    *”tennis camps” - see bad lessons
     
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  18. TimeToPlaySets

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    Your best bet is to find someone who is also interested in learning tennis drills.

    One guy in my rotation is a 3.0 with no BH.
    If I play a set against him, it will be 6-0

    But, this guy is always down to hit. That is huge value.
    Instead of passing him over, I found the silver lining.
    He is interested in improving, and he has a solid FH.

    Last time, I fed him a hopper to his BH (and I'd volley whatever came back)
    Then he fed me a hopper of approach shots, where I also practiced Split steps for the volley.

    Then we did mutual serve/ROS practice.

    I will hit with this guy all winter.

    Only 1 in 10 rec players are interested in practice.
    Find them. Where there is a will, there is a way.

    Your problem is that without a coach, you have no idea if you're practicing the right moves.
    You might just be reinforcing flawed habits, and making your game even harder to fix down the road.
    In the end, tennis is a money sport, if you want to play correctly.
    There is a reason the #1 player in the world has a team of private coaches.
    No other sport in the world is like this.
     
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    For those who say their money is spent on bad coaching what criteria do you go by when you paid for lessons? Reputation, word of mouth?, is it a pro at the club you or your children play at?

    I’m just curious and not trying to spark a debate here.
     
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  21. TimeToPlaySets

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    Picking a coach merits a whole different thread.
    The problem with word of mouth is that most people suck at tennis.
    Even ones that take lessons. Most tennis consumers have no idea what a good or bad coach is.
    They just see the coach hitting balls with their kids, etc.
    A coach referral from them just means he's a nice guy, or had reasonable rates.

    I serendipitously fell into what I am increasingly realizing was a good coach.
    He had a winning Junior and D1 track record, and knew how to win tennis matches.
    I think that's criteria #1.

    Tennis lessons are just as much about "paradigm" as they are about mechanics/drills.
    I fully agreed and bought into everything my coach said, and started to see his big picture.
    I was able to take the leap of faith and just do whatever he told me (eg: focus on depth and net clearance, and the spin and pace will come later)
    In contrast, I have used coaches who I disagreed with, fundamentally,
    once I started to form my own tennis identity (strongly influenced by coach above)
    eg: Hit it high, deep, and with spin. vs. being told to slice or hit it flat and land short.

    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...aches-can-actually-coach-worth-a-damn.579380/
     
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    I remember the thread, but i'm seeing more and more answered related to bad coaching and just wanted to know the (shorter) reasons behind the decision of bad coaching
     
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  23. TimeToPlaySets

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    I just remembered criteria #2.
    Another 4.5 player (Not NYTA) also hoarded lessons from this D1 kid, as many as he could physically schedule, with an open checkbook.
    This was in favor of coaches from his own elite private club.

    He had the same reasoning I did.
    This coach gave CONSTANT feedback.
    (Not turning, no follow through, not shifting weight,
    He would say it for an hour straight, if needed.
    Most coaches just feed balls and let you continue your same garbage strokes.
    I would take lessons with other coaches, and notice they were not correcting me.,
    Worse yet, they would tell me a shot was good, when I knew D1 kid would have said "wrong."
    eg: D1 kid's mantra was depth. Ballsd at service line are useless, no matter how hard hit.
    Other coaches would see me take a huge swing, spin the **** out of the ball, and land on the service line.
    They would say nice shot. D1 kid would say, "Too short"

    He knew that it takes thousands of reps.
    He spent YEARS playing tennis all day long to get his strokes.
    I think this is why he knew to keep giving the same feedback.
     
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  24. StringSnapper

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    Probably because he was young, still actively improving his own game. Only recently came from where you are, whereas older coaches can get stuck in their way and not remember what its like to improve. Just about earning a living for them now. Im sure not all, but some.
     
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  25. TimeToPlaySets

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    @Shroud

    This link made me think of your high string tension.
    Have you noticed getting almost no spin on your shots?

    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-strings-tennis-industry-nov-dec-2017.603230/

    First, the very benefit of poly strings
    is their ability to bend and snap back
    faster than other materials. This snap
    back enhances spin on the ball.

    Most rec players can’t generate enough
    racquet-head speed to bend stiff poly
    strings in the first place. If the string
    doesn’t bend, it can’t snap back, and
    there is little or no spin enhancement.

    Many recreational players who
    switch to a poly never adjust their tension.
    I’m always amazed to hear of a 3.5
    adult or junior using a full poly set-up
    at high tensions.
     
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    Best: Upgrading to iPhone 6S Plus, discovering it has a slo-mo camera, and the chair/bench/bike saddle I can put it on...
    Worst: Buying my 41st racquet after I already have 37 that I don't use.
     
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  27. TimeToPlaySets

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    I've decided to buy a used stringing machine, based on the feedback on this thread.
    I will break even after 3 string jobs. Not bad.
     
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  28. MathGeek

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    Best money: son's lessons, tourney entry fees to close events, events with good food

    Worst money: most events more than 30 minutes away
     
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  29. Pete Player

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    Fourhundred and fifty euros on new rackets after 20 years of absence in tennis.


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  30. movdqa

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    Best money? $0 on tips from these forums. Only a very small percentage of tips that I put into action though.
     
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  31. MathGeek

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    S&V has great tips. The peeps who think I can practice a new trick 1000 times before using it? Not so much.

    The toolbox is what it is. Choosing the tool wins matches. Too old for new tools.
     
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  32. TimeToPlaySets

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    Just bought a used stringer, as a result of this thread.
     
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  33. Chas Tennis

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    Casio FH100 camera with high speed video mode. Very fast shutter. At 240 fps, accurate feedback on strokes in a very short time. ~$250

    Kinovea video analysis software. Compare side by side strokes and coordinate the time scale so that impact occurs on the same time & frame on each stroke being compared. Apply millisecond time scale. Free, open source software. Easy to use. I have most recently used version 8.25. Here is the new version 8.26.
    http://www.kinovea.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?id=854
     
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  34. TimeToPlaySets

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    Chas,
    Can you share a clip to demonstrate video quality of the FH100 ?
    You can PM me if you don't want it public.
     
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  35. onehandbh

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    It may not be necessary to buy a camera to shoot high speed video.

    Many mobile phones can now shoot 240fps or higher.

    Here is a video i took at 240fps with my phone.

    Fast forward to around 1:15 to see the same groundstroke at 30fps and 240fps.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLhhKhglktYePP8FA63AVrE8OzbXBykaTi&v=oaDpQLSmkr4
     
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  36. onehandbh

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    Best purchase was a membership that my parents got for an indoor tennis club when i was a kid. It allowed me to play year round and meet many other tennis enthusiasts, play with top juniors and open level players, and use the other facilities like the gym, basketball court, ping pong tables, jacuzzi, pool, etc
     
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  37. beltsman

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    Worst purchase, big or small: Some serve tool when I was starting out. I forget the name, but it was like $60 or $70. It helped, I guess, but it wasn't worth the money.

    Special note: Stringing machine. I save lots of money on stringing and I learned a new skill, but I now spend more time and money tweaking and experimenting.
     
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  38. Chas Tennis

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    To do stop action single frame on Vimeo - click VIMEO, full screen, hold down the SHIFT KEY and use the ARROW KEYS. Some resolution is lost through Vimeo site processing, this looks better viewing the original video file on my computer - can observe spin rate from ball print.

    The motion blur is small because of the fast shutter speed, manually controlled. Whenever light allows I like to use 1/10,000 sec or faster shutter speed to reduce motion blur. The resolution is not high. Zoom lens. Editing is very capable and direct.

    Unfortunately, cameras like these with manual shutter speed control are no longer offered. But the many cameras now with automatic exposure control will often have a faster shutter speed in bright sunlight. There is no way to know the motion blur before buying the camera unless you can find high speed videos under similar lighting and fps.

    Smartphone cameras can do a lot. But no zoom lens. High resolution cameras produce large video file sizes. Editing ease? GoPros have small motion blur in bright sunlight, no zoom lens.

    I checked out a low cost, low resolution camera with high speed video mode and a fast automatic shutter. The resolution is low but you can see all necessary stroke features for analysis in bright sunlight. Buy used for low cost camera to get started. Other Canon Powershot cameras with high speed video mode probably have similar shutter speeds but we can't be certain. Check your old cameras, you may have one already....
    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/black-friday-sale-high-speed-video-camera.484212/
     
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  39. Shroud

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    What do you do with that data?
     
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  40. atp2015

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    I think the data is useless if you think you have plateaued and not going to improve fundamental stroke production. I think I can a improve a lot (from losing 4.0 to winning 4.5)
    I use the data to figure out fixes to the areas that I didn't know sucked that bad. For example, I thought I had a great spinny forehand. Data showed all flat shots. So, worked on improving spin and it improved the shot quality and consistency. It was months of work to track and make changes.
    I would have had to pay for several lessons otherwise.
     
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  41. Pete Player

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    As a follow up, I find it rather intresting, that people mock the stick of my choice, Babolat Pure Drive Roddicks, which I strung at 26 kg in the beginning, but levelled up at 27 kg, equals to 59 lbs with LXN Alu pwr BB. Tried 25 kg too, but that feels like lacrosse basket with trampoline effect.

    Just love it, and was a bit sore after the other got broken on clay and had to buy PD TOUR to replace it. That by the way is not as stiff as the Roddick GT was. And still no elbow issues...


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  42. Simon_the_furry

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    Damn, where are you?
    There are plenty of good coaches around here.
     
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  43. TimeToPlaySets

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    Why do people mock your racket?
    If it was enough for Roddick, it is good enough for basically anyone.
    There is no need to spend more than $50 on a racket. Just get a used one.
    Sometimes, people just give them away.
    Tennis is not about equipment, it's about skill.
     
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  44. Pete Player

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    Not in real life, cause I usually beat them, but here on TT-board claiming it results TE and what ever sheite.


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  45. TimeToPlaySets

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    Yes, ridiculous. I used a pure drive to hit 5+ days a week for 6 months. No elbow issues. It ain't the racket.
     
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  46. StringSnapper

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    I got tennis elbow from a babbolat. 5 yrs playing fine with head and wilson then BAM.

    Maybe more clearly defined as "if youre vulnerable to tennis elbow, a babbolat may give it to you". I think my strokes probably did have too much tension in my arm, making me vulnerable. But a lot of people are in this category

    I'm back with a head now, loving life.
     
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  47. Shroud

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    Add Tennis Twist to my best list
     
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    Worst: Bollettieri endorsed Tennis Ace Trainer. The damn ball flew off into the woods the first time I used it. I'm never buying anything that old lizard endorses ever again.
     
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  49. dominikk1985

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    I second the stringing machine. it depends on whether you mind doing the Manual work. if you only re string 5 or 6 times a year it is of course no huge saving but if you re string more often and you maybe also have some Kids or other People to string for you can save some good Money.

    I would say for the average hack that Plays once a week it doesn't really pay off though, unless you enjoy Manual Labor.
     
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  50. Shroud

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    Yeah its a good point. I hate stringing and still manage to do it. Some experience trance like relaxation when stringing. Fwiw it also is kind of a trap in that you are tempted to try all kinds of things and will perhaps string more because you can
     

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