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This really beats the Isner-Mahut match. These guys should be given medals or something
What is the criteria for a "cakewalk" draw?
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Sharpshooter
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Doesn't matter, they are still more of a threat than Roddick. Every year for every GS favorties list you get Rafa and Rog first and then they are quickly followed by Murray (except for FO) or Djoko. Admit that they are more of a threat.
Of course quality matters but not when the match isn't very close. That was the case with the 04Wim final. Plus the 2009USO quality wasn't too bad, they were both almost equal in the W/UE ratio which is not bad over 5 sets. You also forget that Fed was under a lot of pressure with his first serve because Delpo was hitting the second serves pretty hard and aggressively. He had the same prob in 09 AO final against Rafa.
Not in a GS final where there's a lot on the line. Plus the fifth set is widely regarded by every pro as anybody's set so therefore it was a very close match.
He only played 'better' against Ferrer because Ferrer can't attack him like Rafa can. If he could he would be close to number 1 in the world.
So you say his performance is clownish but object when I say he's stupid? :lol:
Only one man can say they've done that and it's not Federer. Rafa was in hot form in the 08 FO and he still almost won the third set. BTW why don't you have any response towards me about PROVING that the YEC match that Rafa won wasn't actually important to Djoko? You say I don't watch tennis and I'm talking out of my arse by you obviously didn't watch that tournament and were again commenting on what you read off wikipedia.
I've left you with no response to that and also no response to the point I made about Djoko at USO2010 being tougher than Davy at 06AO. I guess you can't argue my points because I proved that you were full of shi.t and only read the scores off wikipedia to judge those tennis matches.
Man you are clueless, Djoko's double handed backhand (down the line esp)was the reason he did and still does give Rafa problems, not his second serve. It is a superb shot.
Because I thought he grabbed an extra break in each of those sets, I couldn't remember the score from 4 years ago but I did remember the match being easily won by Fed after the first set. Like I said, I don't like to use wikipedia. Aside from that anyway you said Gonzo played fairly well which CLEARLY was not the case.
Sharpshooter
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Man, I thought you established how much better a player Roddick is compared to Verdasco. I even agreed with you on that one, but you went a little further to say there is no use in comparing them at all. Now when it suits you, you want to start comparing them. For the sake of stopping this from going around in circles, don't compare Roddick's performances to Verdasco anymore because you were vigorously against the idea before.
No you didn't, you're just trying to dodge your crap by mentioning I didn't get the score right for the 1,000,000,000th time. AO07 AND 06 were easier than 2010 USO.
No I give Fed credit for winning it, but it was nowehere near as tough as you make it out to be because he was comfortable in that match.
Yeah Hewitt posed such a huge threat that he went on to lose 14 or 15 matches in a row AND they were VERY comfortably won by Fed. Once Fed hit his prime in late 2003 Hewitt posed about as much threat as a Lopez does to Nadal.
Sid_Vicious
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This match has no quality. Mandy01 is nothing but a crazy ballbasher while Sharpshooter is a junkballer.This really beats the Isner-Mahut match. These guys should be given medals or something
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abmk
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on HC, yes , with roddick in that kind of form on grass, I'd say NO
absolute BS ! fed serving badly in the AO 09 and USO 09 had almost solely to dio with him ... rafa didn't attack that many second serves of fed
delpo wasn't hitting those second serve returns in the first set and half, federer was serving badly then as well in fact he served badly throughout the match
but it wasn't even that close in the 5th set
what a load of cr*p again... rafa was playing very defensive for quite a bit in that match
no, I objected to the way you put it ... you compared USO 2006 QF rafa to USO 2010 SF rafa and said youzhny didn't realise he was "different" :roll: , saying it was because he was stupid ...
skipping the matches they played between that as well , like they had no effect :roll:
Anyways final point is he was listless and didn't have any decent game plan .. Not that good an opponent there in USO 2010 SF, clearly
LOL, what a load of cr*p. I was actually checking for the stats of the fed-davy match before commenting on that and the USO 2010 match ....
You on the other hand have no reply to delpo AO 2009 point raised by me ... You don't/didn't even have to look up at anything for that, do you ? LOL !
did I say that his serve was his best weapon against rafa, no ? not but it did give him quite a few free points against rafa, which he needs , an edge, something he didn't have in USO 2010 ...
besides in many cases, its djoker's FH that has hurt rafa more than his BH , it has finished the point more often
umm, no its because you are clueless ... why would you make up the scores ? tell the score if you know otherwise tell you vaguely recollect the match and describe it subjectively. You putting the wrong score there and nd arguing on that basis shows how credible you are :roll:
abmk
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and that's because ? hewitt's not a very good player ? No, that's because fed's that good ! Give him some credit ! besides that was the match that started the turnaround of that rivalry ... Would you say before that fed would remotely have a chance of making it 15 wins in a row , when fed was 2-7 against him , including a close loss pretty recently in the Davis Cup ??
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abmk
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serve stats at the USO and at wimbledon in the past few years
You can go through this thread .. it has the appropriate links
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=334995&highlight=wimbledon
I'm not going to provide each and every stat... you gotta go and figure out !
You can go through this thread .. it has the appropriate links
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=334995&highlight=wimbledon
I'm not going to provide each and every stat... you gotta go and figure out !
abmk
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those stats seem to be right
however these stats have to be taken in context considering :
1. RA is slower and higher bouncing than deco II
2. davy forced more errors out of federer than djoker did out of rafa ( both on absolute basis and % wise ) ....
rafa was sharper in USO 2010 F than fed in AO 2006 QF, but davy played better than djoker IMO, not by much
I didn't it say it was davy's best match BTW, just saying ....
Anyways I am taking a break from all this ...
Lets know when/how AO 2007 final had 2 6-2 sets , roddick played "rubbish" in AO 2007 SF, while verdasco/youzhny were worthy opponents in USO 2010, the USO 2001 QF match was not a great one (in the eyes of the majority, your definitions/views don't stand here ) ETC ETC !!!!
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This really beats the Isner-Mahut match. These guys should be given medals or something
Yep!!! I think this is the all time epic battle.
Sharpshooter
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So the guy with a 2-18 record against Fed has a better record than Djoko who had a 4-7 h2h record ATT and Murray who had a 6-2 h2h record ATT. Roddick has only beaten him twice, once after Fed hit his prime yet he still magically had a better chance than anyone against Fed, what a load of shi.t!
No its not absolute BS because even before the match starts Fed knows how well these two can pounce on his second serve so that adds the pressure of serving well with first serves. He was under pressure right off the bat in both of those matches.
And to say Rafa didn't attack many second serves of Fed is ludicrous, Rafa ALWAYS puts pressure on Fed's second serve, more than anyone on the tour. You don't understand anything about tennis pal.
Doesn't matter it was still a very close match and Fed almost had it won in the fourth. Roddick NEVER had the match at Wimby 04 won, They both played well and Fed came out on top by only losing one set and that's because an unusually extra aggressive Roddick caught him by surprise in that first set.
Man this proves you have no clue whatsoever! You don't win USO matches by playing very defensive it just doesn't happen that tournament is won through aggressive play. Watch the damn match between Rafa and Verdy and you will see that Rafa played defensively in the first set and found that he was trailing a break for most of that set. If you think Rafa didn't up his aggression after that first set esp then you didn't watch the match.
Again Rafa played more aggressively in 2010 USO than probably any other HC event. Youzhny was totally unprepared for that and in ALL of their meetings after US06 through till they met in US2010 Rafa never served with that much pace before, it caught him way off guard. He had the same plan as always, try and attack Rafa's forehand and take time away from it, only this time Nadal's play prevented him from doing that for the most of it.
If it's a load of crap then why do you STILL fail to mention the unimportant YEC match that YOU said was important to BOTH players when only Rafa really needed the win.
You tried to compare JMDP's performance with Verdasco's, so I replied by saying that Verdasco wasn't that bad. You have continuously called Verdasco a walk over when you clearly didn't even watch the match. Verdy was up a break for most of the first set and his nerves let him down a little because he hit a DF to give the break back later in the set. Plus when you factor in the conditions (US match was VERY windy) you can't expect Verdy to play well, that wind was very strong and it CLEARLY affected his game. Plus Verdy came out of the box firing to break Nadal to LOVE when he hadn't been broken for the whole tournament prior to that match! He actually hit quite well in the first set condsidering how windy it was.
JMDP was NEVER in the match against Fed in any set and 2 bagel sets proves that he was MUCH more of a walkover than Verdy. So your JMDP point was useless and that's why I didn't respond to it.
So Verdasco was actually tougher than JMDP in AO09 and also tougher than Roddick in AO07.
BS Djoko's BH is the most damaging shot against Rafa but you wouldn't know that because you don't watch many tennis matches. Djoko's second serve was not the reason he was challenging Nadal.
Yeah I definitely should've said something like that, you keep bringing it up like as if it's a big deal because you've got nothing else on me in regards to that match. Everything you've said about it (apart from the score that you got from wikipeida) was wrong, whereas I only got the score wrong because that match happened 4 years ago. However I'll tell you something I did get right and that was that match was no challenge (which is why I recalled it being two 6-2 sets) and Gonzo did not play fairly well unlike what you have been saying. If you watched that match then WHY would you say he played fairly well? He obviously didn't.
Sharpshooter
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If you think Hewitt posed a threat that was >>> Lopez than you are kidding. 2003 was Hewitt's worst year since 1999, he slipped from 1 to 17 lost in the first round at Wimbledon as defending champion and was in **** form. Fed lost the Davis cup match, but if you actually watched that he was belting Hewitt until he got nervous and let Hewy back in. Fed learnt a huge lesson in that match and that was that his game was too much for Hewitt and all he needed to do was keep his nerves in tact. Once he gained confidence after the YEC in 2003 he became much stronger mentally and that's why Hewitt posed just as much a minimal threat as Lopez. Don't forget Lopez beat Nadal at Queens so he isn't completely shi.t.
Sharpshooter
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OK so the ace count at wimby is higher BUT there's still one major thing you're forgetting buddy. USO has tiebreaks in the deciding set, Wimbledon doesn't. The Isner Mahut match had about 200 aces alone. So you should've considered the LENGTH of matches from both tourny's too, but you didn't do that now did you? The longer a match goes the more chance of being an increased number of Aces.
So unless you have played on both courts, you cannot say one is faster than the other. The only way you can determine which is faster is going by the expert commentators and they have continuously said that the USO surface is now the fastest of the 4 GS's.
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That's completely ridiculous. There is absolutely no way the man in the kilt is going to take the jacket out of Federer's back, walk away, and then return it to Federer. Federer would just take it out of the bag himself if it had been in there.
Sharpshooter
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Which means you have more time to hit your shots. Granted it might also be harder to hit winners but -18 W/UE ratio is not a good stat. RA is not that much slower, in fact many experts have stated that the new AO courts are even slower, but that didn't stop Verdy from playing well and hitting a lot of clean winners past one of the best defenders in the game. That is a BS excuse!
Davy forced errors because Fed wasn't playing as well as Rafa was in USO2010. He wasn't hitting as cleanly and there fore he was put into a defensive position more often. But there is NO WAY you can say Davy played Better than Djoko based on the stats I put up AND actually watching those matches. Djoko played a very solid clean game only 2 more UE's than winners and a lot of those came in the fourth set. Davy had 18 more UE's than winners. That is very significant of how well he actually was playing.
Plus can you show me the forced error stats you got? Or did they come from your arse?
First of all, I never said that Verdy and Youzhny were worthy opponents just that they were about as tough as Fed has had it in some of his GS victories.
I'm entitled to my opinion of what a great match is just like you are entitled to yours.
If Verdy was an easy opponent because he played crap then Roddick did play rubbish because he was nowhere near as competitive as Verdasco. 6-0 second set and winning only 6 games for the entire match says it all really but you still think he didn't play rubbish somehow. He was not with it that night
So therefore:
Wim 03 not as tough as 2010 USO.
AO 07 also not as tough as 2010 USO.
That's 2 GS that nobody ever whinges about PROVEN to be much easier than USO 2010.
Sharpshooter
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He just won a very lengthy Wimbledon final, why the hell would he think of wearing the jacket? That old man could've definitely taken it out of Fed's kitbag and then had a quick word with an official and then walked back over to hand Fed the jacket. Totally plausible.
mandy01
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This is so idiotic it's bordering on being funny.What has a lengthy match got to do with anything?Why on earth would Roger require someone to come on court and give him something from his own kitbag?
Just stupid coulda,woulda,shoulda from you AGAIN.You can't find a decent back-up for your unfounded accusation so you construct an imaginery sceanario that is totally NONSENSICAL as usual.
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nadal_slam_king
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mandy01
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abmk-I think you should just let it go.Anyone who says Fed served poorly in the AO09 finals simply because Nadal was supposedly attacking his second serves doesn't watch tennis and obviously didn't watch the final.
Or maybe he's just too far up Nadal's rear.That's a good possibility.
Or maybe he's just too far up Nadal's rear.That's a good possibility.
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Sharpshooter
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Nadal always attacks Fed's second serve - more than any other player on tour you muppet so of course Fed was going to feel the pressure of going for a little bit extra on the serve. You ALWAYS post something derogatory towards Nadal in nearly every thread and that's because you're up Fed's arse. You don't know a thing about tennis and you've proved that.
mandy01
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The whole match is up on YT.Watch it ,pay attention Roger's service stats particularly in the second set which he won,then get back to me.
Also pay attention to the total number of .DFs and aces(should be 11-5).If you've watched enough tennis including Fed-Nadal encounters you should be able to figure out why abmk brought it up.
If not,it'll just be yet another display of the fact that you don't watch tennis.
Factually incorrect but hardly surprising.
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Sharpshooter
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I have that match on DVD and have watched it many times. Doesn't eliminate the fact that Fed is fully aware of Nadal's willingness to attack the second serve and as for it on youtube, go and watch it yourself...if you can bear it.
Actually go to the 2:15 mark on this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffChg4HgXY&feature=related
The commentator even says that Nadal attacked Fed's serves right from the start of the match whereas against Verdasco he was just spinning the returns in, but wait maybe you know more than him too and he didn't actually watch the match.
Also check out the 0:18 mark on this vid and proceed to watch the whole Fed service game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVqFXTLYmDQ&feature=related
Then check out this one at the 5:00 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjuQg2c1t8&feature=related
Then there's this one at the 2:23 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D75cs0e2eAk&feature=related
Then take a look at the graphic they put up at the 1:31 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI4-2g-_JXw&feature=related
Fed 2nd serve points won percentage was 31% down from 59% for the rest of the tournament. So obviously Rafa was hurting his second serve.
Then from the second set at the 5:33 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq-m_aM3qvQ&feature=related
I've found enough evidence already to prove that you're wrong. Rafa's attack on his second serve in the first set forced Fed to go for more in the second set and that's why his first serve percentage dropped.
You obviously didn't watch the match and you also make your judgments off wikipedia stats on the second set.
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nadal_slam_king
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^ I agree, Rafa definitely attacked the Federer serve, and was passive vs Verdasco.
nadal_slam_king
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Let's hope so, it's only fair that Rafa gets to play weak Del Potro. There is no opponent I'd rather have than Del Potro.
Hewitt second round, Nalbandian third round, Davydenko fourth round, Murray in the Quarters, Djokovic in the semis, Federer/Nadal in the final
namelessone
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Hewitt second round, Nalbandian third round, Davydenko fourth round, Murray in the Quarters, Djokovic in the semis, Federer/Nadal in the final
No soderling
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nadal_slam_king
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Hewitt second round, Nalbandian third round, Davydenko fourth round, Murray in the Quarters, Djokovic in the semis, Federer/Nadal in the final
Hewitt is a cakewalk, Nalbandian can't advance in slams, Davydenko can't advance in slams, Murray biggest challenge in the world, Djokovic can't maintain the standard, Federer hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam since 2007. Ideal draw, except for Murray.
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Make me a tough draw for Nadal at this years AO. I want to know what that is for you.
Nadal has already won it. Otherwise he was very very sick, dying really..
nadal_slam_king
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Murray in the QF automatically is a tough draw. Murray not in the SF is a tough draw too but not quite as tough. If Murray is in the other half it's an easy draw.
nadal_slam_king
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Davy can't win in slams, it's just not in his make-up, he's no threat.
mandy01
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Yet another obtuse post from you.You posting indiviual points again goes to show your limited scope of argument.The funny part is that you tried to be clever and cherry-picked points here .Whoever watches these videos in full length will know that a large part of Fed's serving came largely down to him.And Fed focuses a great deal on his placement.It is that which makes his serve so good,not the pace.This time though everything was a mess.It was horrendous the way he was literally dumping so many first serves into the net. Some others he was missing were waaay off the mark.Also,the problem with his serve wasn't just there at the AO.It persisted throughout the first part of the HC season which meant that nearly everytime he ran into a top guy,he invariably lost and his serve would progressively get worse as the match progressed.
Interestingly in the first video itself you've done a fair bit cherry picking with the commentry.
You literally glossed over the fact that the other commentator(Chris Fowler I'm guessing by voice) talked of how Fed literally gifted the game to him.Brad Gilbert started off with something like "Mary Jo also made a point..."
Now the issue of wikipedia-As far as I know wikipedia dosen't offer information on individual sets played.There was considerable talk(I believe it was Amritraj who pointed this out) of how well Federer was playing off the ground which made up for the fact that he was serving at a mere 38% in the second set.
The number of aces should also speak volumes but you'll probably just ignore it conveniently.
Another point-I believe Fed had a total of 21 DFs throughout the course of the tournament.That's an unusually high number for him(I'll confirm this).
Even having 11 DFs by itself is highly unusual for him even if it were against Nadal.Normally he won't even have those many DFs in a whole tournament.And one factor alone cannot be explanation enough.
Also if you were intelligent enough ,you'd have actually watched the entire second vid you posted
and noted that Darren Cahill(I'm guessing by the voice here) pointed out that Roger wasn't hitting his spots well with the serve which is why Nadal was making a lot of those returns.Don't try to play smart with me.If you're going to fabricate facts I'm going to call you out.
I'll get to the rest later..
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Underhand
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Or Donald Young just once.
Sharpshooter
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Rubbish, the first few vids I posted were almost from the majority of Fed's service games in the first set. That set the tone pal, once Fed realised that Rafa was not going to hold back, he failed to up the anti on his first serves because he couldn't get them in as often as he usually does against everyone else. Face it he is a mental midget against Rafa on the big stage and his nerves showed again. A lot of Rafa's returns were deep and at the feet of Roger bar that second set where he got a little conservative and as a result lost that set. Rafa's return game was really good and the pressure he applied forced Fed to try and go for better placement on his first serves. However he couldn't achieve this. Fed doesn't all of a sudden serve THAT poorly, he does when he's under pressure from guys that he knows have the power to punish him not only with pace but placement as well - hence the poor showing against RAfa at AO09 and Delpo at USO09. So you can pretend to be a know-it-all as much as you want, fact is you don't know shi.t.
mandy01
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no he dosent.he was doing it right from the beginning.thanks for playing.And the vids you posted generally alternated between Fed/Nadal serve.So there's not much of a majority here.
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So basically, as long as Nadal does not play Murray before the final, Nadal has a cake walk draw, since Murray is the only obstacle that you see in his way. Cool.
Sharpshooter
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And that's exactly my point! Rafa and Rog had played on many occasions before that final and Fed knew his first serves had to be perfect or else Rafa would capitalize like he usually does. That added pressure BEFORE the match put Fed's first serves off a little and then once Nadal showed his intentions by attacking the second serve in the first set, Fed felt the heat even more and that's why his serve fell apart. He has rarely served THAT bad, especially in GS finals and it has only happened against opponents that can hurt him if he misses the first serve like Rafa and Delpo.
When Fed was serving at 2 all he made 3 first serves and 5 second serves, Rafa miss hit one of them but his intentions were clear and that was to attack the second serve. ALL of the rest were very attacking returns with deep placement. Fed got broken 3 times in the first set so what does that tell you? Especially if you claim that Fed had played well off the ground to compensate. You don't know what you're on about.
And of course those vids alternated between the servers it was a vid of the match, you don't have only one guy serving and the other returning for the whole match. Surely you'd know that by now...
abmk
Bionic Poster
grass . EOS !
you are utterly clueless. rafa's strength is getting back the serves into play, he doesn't attack second serves that much , only occasionally... watch AO 2005 SF vs safin for a demonstration of attacking the federer second serve !
who said he had the match won .. But he was up a break in the 3rd
I said rafa played defensively for a set and half. Learn to read.
youzhny didn't even try to go out on an all-attack, that was my point. was pretty passive
yes, and whenever rafa needed to win against djoker, he's done it ... this was just one among the many matches
yes, verdy started off well, but started playing absolute sh*t after that. That was my point. Both JMDP in AO 09 and verdy in USO 2010 played clownishly and you cannot say they did not citing their ranking at those times. Got it or is it too tough for you to comprehend ? :twisted:
again, you are clueless. djoker's serve gives him an edge doesn't mean that is his best weapon against rafa , just that he needs it to get some free points. As far as FH vs BH is concerned, djoker's BH certainly holds up very well, but if you'd observed their matches carefully ( which I'm sure you've not ) his FH actually gets him more winners vs rafa than his BH . Many occasions he opens up the BH side of rafa with his I/O FH and then goes for the BH DTL . The BH DTL shouldn't be credited fully for that ..
LOL, clueless post at its best. Firstly get the scores wrong. Secondly putting a sh*t performance ( berdych 2010 wimby F) on the same level as a fairly decent performance ( gonzo AO 2007 F)
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abmk
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lopez played crappy in the match vs nadal at the USO ... hewit played MUCH MUCH better at AO 2004 ..
regarding fed-hewitt match , that happened quite a few times, federer creaming hewitt off the ground, but hewitt making a comeback through his determination and taking advantage of federer's lapses. It was 7-2 at that point, 7-2. Not easy to win against an opponent who has that mental edge/edge in H2H ...
Again, another clueless post of yours !
abmk
Bionic Poster
you are one totally clueless fella !!!!!
more than any other player on tour ????? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
ever seen nalbandian/djoker/davydenko play against federer ? they attack fed's second serve a LOT more than nadal ... heck even soderling, murray attack fed's second more than rafa does
abmk
Bionic Poster
another fact you are forgetting is fed, davy, take it on the rise more often than almost any other players on the tour. That is bound to show up negatively in the W-UE stats.
I can't say based on that stats that davy played better, but I did watch the match and IMHO davy played slightly better
again, another post demonstrating your carelessness ..
can't even calculate the forced errors given the winner, UE and total points stats !
you can't do much with federer in that sort of form. roddick played average, but not crappy like verdasco did in USO 2010 .
As far as whining is concerned, the *******s do it for almost every draw that fed gets. Didn't you say you had read those posts before ? What happened ? Loss of memory ?
Anyways I'm done arguing with someone as clueless who claims that on the tour , nadal attacks the federer 2nd serve the most. LOL, how much more clueless can one get ? :lol: :lol: :lol:.. Well on thinking it a bit more, I'll just keep arguing, if only to get more gems like the one above :lol:
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Sharpshooter
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Fed's best surface is HC, there is no way to tell that he would beat Djoko and Murray on grass especially judging by his recent Wimbledon form.
LOL you don't just get the serves back into play, that's where Fed pounces and puts those returns away. Attacking the serve isn't just about power, it's about placement, but you wouldn't know that because you don't have a clue.
Rafa always attacks the Fed backhand with his heavy topspin returns, it's not just blasting the ball like Safin did in AO05.
Yeah but the USO match was closer and that was my point. It added to the drama which is why I classify that as a great match, it was not known who would get the upperhand in the fifth set.
Learn to understand! He played defensively for a set and a half but was still winning? That's bull, Verdasco played quite well in the first set and was up a break for the most of it until Rafa started hitting more cleanly and that's when he took charge of the match. Maybe you should watch it because clearly you haven't.
Youzhny tried to direct most of his shots to the Rafa forehand, but Rafa's new found aggressiveness prevented him from executing properly. Watch that match too before commenting on it after checking the score on wikipedia.
So why would Djoker have the same intensity if it didn't matter? Plus he was mentally drained for that whole tournament and lost in straights to everyone IIRC. Just admit you didn't have a CLUE and posted some crap again after reading on wikipedia. They only played ONE HC match that mattered and that went the distance you dumb flog!
Wrong Verdy put up MUCH more of a challenge than Delpo did it's really not comparible.
If he couldn't execute that BH down the line well then he wouldn't have a hope. It's easier to hit an IO forehand cross court than to go hard down the line with a BH, but you wouldn't know that because you are just totally out of the loop pal.
Man here you go again calling Gonzo performance fairly decent, man you type more shi.t than what comes out of your arse. He got belted EOS! One tiebreak set doesn't not mean he played fairly well because he went away after that. Berdy got close in the second set and almost got the break in the third set as well but you don't see me calling it a fairly decent performance. YOu have double standards you dumbass, first you say Gonzo was hot but then you don't want to acknowledge Berdy's form in Wim 10 which IMO was better than Gonzo's.
Sharpshooter
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I didn't say Lopez was more of a challenge than Hewitt but Hewy wasn't a MUCH greater test, you are splitting hairs with two opponents that realistically never had any chance of winning.
nadal_slam_king
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So basically, as long as Nadal does not play Murray before the final, Nadal has a cake walk draw, since Murray is the only obstacle that you see in his way. Cool.
I have no idea what a cake walk draw is.
abmk
Bionic Poster
whether his best surface is fast HC or grass, that's a bit debatable. But he's certainly better on grass than at the AO. And both djoker and murray are better on HC than on grass
getting the serves back into play doesn't mean just looping it back into play ... rafa is more of a defensive returner than an aggressive one ( so is federer ).
again, drama isn't the first criteria for greatness IMO. its quality.
so nadal can't play defensively for a set and half and still win ? LOL in which la la land are you in ? :lol;
yes, I watched it you clueless fella. the only time youzhny seemed tried to play real aggressively was in the middle of the first set and towards the end of the 3rd set
he was off at that WTF , I know that .
But it is amusing to read someone who can't calculate forced errors from the winners/UE/total points data and someone who hasn't watched a match ( AO 2007 F) and goes on BS about it, accuse someone else of only picking data from wikipedia.
Get me ONE close match that djoker won against rafa ! even queens 2008, when he was playing probably the best GC tennis he has so far, he lost another close match ( I know it wasn't that important and it wasn't on HC, but yet another match where djoker couldn't get it done when it was close vs rafa ) ...
NO, he put up a fight for only half a set , that's it. It was all cr*p after that
yes, obviously CC has more margin for error than DTL, I am very well aware of that
didn't say berdych wasn't hot in wim 2010. Just that he didn't play anywhere close to what he is capable of in the finals.
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abmk
Bionic Poster
1. LOL ! so if fed had played worse, hewitt wouldn't have fought and had a chance ? a 7-2 H2H and a 2-slam champion vs a one-time slam champion
2.would lopez playing as he was, would he have had any chance even if rafa played worse ? just one loss and a player who hasn't broken into the top 10, wasn't even playing well vs a 8-time slam champion ...
jeez, guess which is EASIER :roll:
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Sharpshooter
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That's because you have a shi.tty biased opinion, with Rafa's shots your only chance of winning the point is to take the ball on the rise and that's what Djoko was doing. YOu just can't admit you were wrong.
Nah I'm just lazy. It was early morn here in Aus when I posted that.
LOL he got bageled! You absolute d***head! Verdy at least put up some resistance and had a real go. THe windy conditions did not favor his game but he still was competitive not like Roddick who only won SIX(6) games for the WHOLE MATCH! And you wanna say Verdy played worse. You have a t*rd floating between your ears mate.
You obviously think it's about power when it's more about placement. Again Rafa puts that heavy topspin into Fed's backhand and whenever Fed doesn't flatten the BH out, Rafa takes control of the point 90% of the time so in terms of placement and setting up the point, Rafa does it better than anyone when it comes to breaking down the Fed serve. Rafa broke Fed 3 times in the first set in that AO final and it wasn't from just putting the ball back into play.
Sharpshooter
Banned
Hewitt was not in slam winning form and was coming off his worse season so he wasn't playing with full confidence either.
If Rafa played worse Lopez could've beaten him too, he did at Queens and Rafa is better on grass.
abmk
Bionic Poster
djoker does not take the ball on the rise as much or as well as davydenko. But again, I don't expect anything better than this from you !
why did you accuse me of making it up then ? Give it up, you liar !!!
yes, verdy played worse. fed played MUCH better in the roddick match than rafa did in the verdasco match, which is why roddick ended up with lesser no of games . The only resistance verdy put up was the first half of the first set . Nothing else after that ! even roddick broke federer once ...
of course, it wasn't just because of putting the back into play. It was because federer was serving cr*p, he wasn't playing that well off the ground as say in the 2nd and 4th sets and rafa was playing well off the ground.
no, its about both power and placement. I've made posts earlier about importance of placement of returns before this as well. I'll get them if I can.
there are others who are better at attacking the fed serve than nadal is. nadal breaks him more than probably anyone else because he's mentally tougher than the others and is better off the ground than anyone else and is the worst possible matchup for fed
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