What is the matter with Murray?

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  1. Mainad

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    Exactly my point and why Federer's 2017 has been impressive so far considering his "rivals" (who aren't even of his generation) are 5-6 years younger ;)
     
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    @6-3 6-0: But at least Djokovic had a strong Federer to contend with, unlike Roger so far in 2017 due to Novak's dreaded "29 decline". The way I see it, you're more fortunate to be winning big titles if you're older and the dominant player of recent years has started to fade than if you're younger and still being challenged by an older guy who's arguably the greatest player ever.
     
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    You're correct but isn't that more on Novak than Roger himself? Fed was 32-33 in 2014 (turned 33 in Aug) whereas Djokovic is 29-30 this year (will turn 30 in May) and Fed is 35-36 this year (will turn 36 in Aug). Also unlike Djokovic at that time, Fed isn't in his prime either. He already had his era of domination back in the 2000's when he was in the 20's. Its the same analogy one Nadal fan was using few days back by saying Fed's wins doesn't count since he didn't beat "real" (prime) Nadal this year which is obviously true but ignoring the fact that Fed farther away from his prime than Nadal was from his and being on the tour shorter than the former ;)
     
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    @6-3 6-0: You're right that Federer of 2014-15 was older than Djokovic is now but the bottom line is he was playing at a higher level back then than Novak is this year so I don't really think age comes into it. Plus we all know Roger's a freak of nature anyway - I mean look what he's managed to achieve in 2017 so far! :eek:
     
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    IMO, Murray just has to win four tournaments -

    Aus Open
    Indian Wells
    Monte Carlo
    French Open

    If he wins these, we really cannot ask anymore of him - Murray will have solidified himself as an ATG.
     
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    If he wins the bolded ones, he'll accomplish something that no one since 1990 has been able to i.e. to win all available masters atleast once.
    IMO the two remaining slams are more difficult and will add to his legacy a lot more than the masters would and if he can maintain the #1 (now or later if he achieves it again) he'll be a very good contender for ATG.
     
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    So...no pressure then? ;)

    But does he really have to do a clean sweep of all the Slams and all the Masters to qualify? After all, no other player has managed to accomplish that yet? :cool:
     
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    Arguably, he is there already.

    However, I'm anxious for Murray to steal a march on the rest of the big 4 qnd carve out some history of his own.

    And btw, it's totally doable (even if this uear is pretty much a write off).

    Barring a catastrophic series of events, I give the Muzziah a three to four year window.
     
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    You said it: Older Federer managed to "keep up with" Djokovic but he was still trying to outgrind Djokovic from baseline in their best of five matches. He wasn't employing the more aggressive tactics he has been in 2017. Re Nadal, you are talking about his 2014 FO win over Djokovic? I said that Djokovic has been dealing with sub par Nadal "after" 2014. Nadal was a shadow of the player he was at his best from 2014-2017. Only in 2017 has he looked better. As for Murray, he was recovering from surgery for three years and that's why he was Djokovic's pigeon until Djokovic's form took a dive? Try again.

    Thus I am not wrong on all accounts. I am correct that Federer in 2017 and Djokoivc from 2014 onward were dealing with the same weak field where other Big Four members were injured or not at their best and with no young guns who have stepped up. It is what it is.
     
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    Right, not when it really counts... how many times has Murray beaten Fed in a slam?

    Is this an excuse? Because Fed was out with injury for 6 months, and he has won the 3 biggest tournaments of the year so far. I didn't hear him complain that he hadn't played for such a long time.

    Nadal was out with injury for months too, and he has been playing pretty well, although not at his best yet. Much better than baby Murray anyway, and he is not trying to find excuses!
     
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    It's perfectly obvious that Fed's long absence from the tour to recover from injury re-invigorated his game. Why does that throw any doubt on Murray's current elbow injury?
     

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