What is the most rpm of topspin a rec player could hit?

GuyClinch

Legend
Just random opinions -- probably no right or wrong, but I have trouble categorizing D1/2 men's scholarship players as "recreational" tennis... they are "getting paid" to play.

A scholarship does not change amateur status. it's a matter of law - has nothing to do with opinion really.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
LMAO - almost all good players have a back around like that. If you don't get paid to play tennis (not teach) and/or have not been paid you are recreational.

Even teaching pros will play league tennis. Some will join open tournaments with prize money - if they win you can perhaps claim they are not rec - but even that is a stretch. You need to actually make enough money from playing tennis matches (not teach) to earn a living.

Virtually every 5.0 player or better I have met has had extensive childhood practice with a pro. These are not pros - they are just wealthy kids. It's the same with golf - such is life.

As for this thread I'd imagine some amateur can hit big numbers on some crazy nearly shank shot - where you swing out but kinda miss. This is especially true with underspin. I am not a great player but I did hit one ball that bounce on the opponents side and then bounce up onto our side. This was kinda a shank though - didn't meant to hit.

Yes underspin produces much greater numbers.

Following are not considered rec players: those who have been high-school team junior players, college players, touring pros, coaches, and elite athletes from other sports. I would also personally not include the rare rich/crazy guy who does nothing but tennis for ten years.
 
Yes underspin produces much greater numbers.

Following are not considered rec players: those who have been high-school team junior players, college players, touring pros, coaches, and elite athletes from other sports. I would also personally not include the rare rich/crazy guy who does nothing but tennis for ten years.

The vast majority of high school players are no better than adult rec players.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The vast majority of high school players are no better than adult rec players.

Even high-school team girl players are better than most adult male rec players in a real match situation, when you take consistency and endurance into account. Hard pill to swallow, but that is how it is. Seen it happen time and again.
 
Even high-school team girl players are better than most adult male rec players in a real match situation, when you take consistency and endurance into account. Hard pill to swallow, but that is how it is. Seen it happen time and again.

A good singles player on a girls' team would beat some random park guy, but as I already said, high school vs. adult rec levels are generally comparable.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
A good singles player on a girls' team would beat some random park guy, but as I already said, high school vs. adult rec levels are generally comparable.

Just not so. I agree that a huge fat adult with an aggressive serve can perhaps win by intimidating a junior girl, but take one quick look at your local 4.0/4.5 male guys playing versus two high school junior singles players playing and what do you see? The club players have technically incorrect strokes (probably every stroke), while the high school girls hit the proper way every time. I am talking about "club players" here not the ex-college player playing 4.5.
 
Just not so. I agree that a huge fat adult with an aggressive serve can perhaps win by intimidating a junior girl, but take one quick look at your local 4.0/4.5 male guys playing versus two high school junior singles players playing and what do you see? The club players have technically incorrect strokes (probably every stroke), while the high school girls hit the proper way every time. I am talking about "club players" here not the ex-college player playing 4.5.

Just stop posting now. Quit while you aren't too far behind.
 

tennis_ocd

Hall of Fame
A scholarship does not change amateur status. it's a matter of law - has nothing to do with opinion really.
Talking rec not amateur. Amateur is an entirely different animal and does not remotely equate to "recreational." Nobody of sane mind would consider Jahlil Okafor a bball "rec" player if coming down to shoot hoops.
 

tennis_ocd

Hall of Fame
Even high-school team girl players are better than most adult male rec players in a real match situation, when you take consistency and endurance into account. Hard pill to swallow, but that is how it is. Seen it happen time and again.
There is simply much too diverse quality of play in high-school girl's tennis to make such a claim. Sure, the best ones will beat most rec players but many hs girls have quite poor teams.

To keep on track: Yandell says Agassi/Sampras hit 1800 rpm fhs.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
There is simply much too diverse quality of play in high-school girl's tennis to make such a claim. Sure, the best ones will beat most rec players but many hs girls have quite poor teams.

To keep on track: Yandell says Agassi/Sampras hit 1800 rpm fhs.

But their speeds will be much higher than rec players who hit 1800
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Amateur players aren't getting paid - so they fall under the umbrella of recreational. They just happen to be good.

You and Suresh just define rec players as ****** players. Guys like Matt Lin and Drakulie are recreational they just happen to be good. If you want to say that TonLars is not recreational - when then there you go.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Amateur players aren't getting paid - so they fall under the umbrella of recreational. They just happen to be good.

You and Suresh just define rec players as ****** players. Guys like Matt Lin and Drakulie are recreational they just happen to be good. If you want to say that TonLars is not recreational - when then there you go.

The charity tourneys are called Pro-Am tourneys, so rec players are amateur players in people's minds.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
The pro forehand spin ranges can be from 1500rpm to 5000rpm.

Interestingly, most of the events tend to cluster around the averages. Sampras/Agassi 1800rpm/1900rpm, Fed/Djok 2700rpm, Nadal 3200rpm.

I can't say that Nadal 90mph forehands all have 3000rpm of spin, but I think some do. That's what makes his ball so fearsome, the combo.

If the ATP would create and release shot spot data bases we could correlate speed and spin more clearly. If they would let us do scientific multicamera filming, we could even correlate the racket speeds.

As for the club spin speed thing. I am interested in pursuing that. But just impressionistically it's much easier to create a 3000rpm forehand that goes in that a 90mph forehand that goes in. And the club fh's with pro level spin probably have half or 2/3's the speed. Just guessing but may try to create some data--in the process of cloning myself which could free up time--unless fly fishing takes over.
 

Avles

Hall of Fame
I am curious as to how much bite I get on my slice.. I've always had a very nasty skidding slice, and felt like it had a lot of action on it. What high speed camera would be suitable for this endeavor?

One with high enough resolution to count the rotations. My camera films at 240 fps but it's very blurry so I think it would be hard to measure spin with it.

It might help to mark up the ball so it's easier to track rotations. Not sure what the ideal pattern would be-- but something easier to see than the label.
 

dlam

Semi-Pro
How do you know what your RPM is?
Is there a machine that accurate tests RPM available to the rec player?
 
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