He says conti grip is good for low volleys but I agree with you, it’s best to have the same grip for all volleys.Curious figured it out.
When you volley: no wrist movement, no elbow movement. Lendl and Agassi both used a lot of wrist in the FH volleys. They both got better after being on tour for several years but Lendl would miss FH volleys even late in his career where he would cup under the ball with wrist movement.
Vic taught a EF grip on the volley which I don't agree with. Conti grip is better grip for volley. But firm wrist and firm elbow are correct.
He says conti grip is good for low volleys but I agree with you, it’s best to have the same grip for all volleys.
He says conti grip is good for low volleys but I agree with you, it’s best to have the same grip for all volleys.
I find it difficult to change grip even when I’m returning a serve let alone trying it while volleying a ball coming close to my body.Mattek-Sands actually mentioned something that I figured out as well: when the incoming ball is close to my body to the FH, it's easier to shift towards an Eastern grip. Try it.
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I find it difficult to change grip even when I’m returning a serve let alone trying it while volleying a ball coming close to my body.
He probably did say that in video. To be honest, i didn't watch it all. In his book, he taught EF for the forehand volley and to switch to EBH for the backhand volley. He felt like those grips got the most stability with more hand behind the contact. He and one of his assistant pros would stand about 6 to 8 feet apart and volley alternating forehand and backhand to prove that you have plenty of time to change grips. I think Vic was great but didn't agree with this fully either. I use a conti for both volleys but I do shift the pad of my palm a bit toward bevel 1 for the backhand volley.
Shifting grips is the same as tilting racquet at the same angle while at continental., both require practice.
"Same angle" as what?
If I interpret you correctly, you're saying you can accomplish the same thing either by shifting grip or by staying in Continental and tilting the racquet?
If so, I don't agree: go back and watch Mattek-Sands talk about the difficult of the close-in FH volley: the point is that the body can't contort itself comfortably into position to easily hit that volley. It's actually a lot easier to shift grip towards Eastern.
It’s a great tip. Thanks to Mattek-Sands, I do it now.Mattek-Sands actually mentioned something that I figured out as well: when the incoming ball is close to my body to the FH, it's easier to shift towards an Eastern grip. Try it.
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Lots of practice and repetition to make it automatic.I find it difficult to change grip even when I’m returning a serve let alone trying it while volleying a ball coming close to my body.
He probably did say that in video. To be honest, i didn't watch it all. In his book, he taught EF for the forehand volley and to switch to EBH for the backhand volley. He felt like those grips got the most stability with more hand behind the contact. He and one of his assistant pros would stand about 6 to 8 feet apart and volley alternating forehand and backhand to prove that you have plenty of time to change grips. I think Vic was great but didn't agree with this fully either. I use a conti for both volleys but I do shift the pad of my palm a bit toward bevel 1 for the backhand volley.
He says conti grip is good for low volleys but I agree with you, it’s best to have the same grip for all volleys.
Not necessarily. I agree with Vic on this. Conti grip is best for low volleys. And maybe even mid-height volleys. Quite often elite volleyers will make subtle or minor grip changes for high volleys (or in-close Fh volleys). While the off-hand is needed to make major grip changes, a minor grip change can often be accomplished w/o.
Some tops volleyers, like Patrick Rafter (one of the best ever), would often use a grip change that was somewhat more than just a subtle grip change. He usually employed a conti (2) grip for low & medium volleys and would often switch to a semi-conti (2.5) for medium to high volleys. He employed this grip shift for on both the Fh and Bh sides.
If you don't feel comfortable making any grip changes at all, find a good compromise grip -- like a 2 grip, 2.5 grip or something close to these. As you get much better at volleys, you may discover that you are making subtle changes w/o ever realizing it. Or you may forever have issues with high volleys on jammed Fh volleys
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It's common sense to minimise variables for consistency. Now you say some top players change grip on volleys. What about others? Are there others who don't change it but are still great volleyers?
If I can adapt in some other way for close to body or high volleys other than changing grip, I would prefer that. If changing grip is the best/most effective way to do it though, I'm happy to change it.
Now you make me wonder if I might be changing grips depending on the ball without knowing.When you are first learning, yes it is best to minimize variables to achieve consistency. Some players never get past that stage. Others are able to make various adjustments, quite easily, as needed. I don't really know if there are any modern elite volleyers that make absolutely no grip changes. As I mentioned, many will make subtle or minor changes. It might be difficult to see this unless you study a lot of high-speed HD film/images of these players. I suspect that a fairly high % make, at least, a minor adjustment.
Back in the early 70s, when I first learned the game, we were taught to use 2 volley grips -- one for FHs an another for BHs. Vic Braden learned and taught this as well (learned a lot of my tennis from him and his brother, Dan Braden). As the game got faster in the late 80s and in the 90s, players started to limit how much of a grip change or adjustments they would make. Grip changes were not quite as extreme or pronounced.
Learn/master one volley grip first. After a while, see if making a grip adjustment improves your high volleys, low volleys or body volleys. Also, try to make adjustments to your left and right (or right at you), with your feet rather than reaching with your arm. Whenever, you reach for a volley by extending your arm, it tends to change the orientation of your racquet face = another variable. Shoulder rotation tends to come into play when you reach/stretch for a volley by extending your arm. When your reach on the Fh side, the racquet face tends to close and volleys often end up in the net. Reaching on the Bh side might open up the racquet face and you may pop up your volleys too much.
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It's common sense to minimise variables for consistency.
Are there others who don't change it but are still great volleyers?
you cannot really see his hands close enough on the volleys to seeTo my knowledge, Edberg and McEnroe didn't change grips on their volleys and are widely considered 2 of the greatest net players of all time...
Many times they just simply don't have the reaction time to make a grip change!
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you cannot really see his hands close enough on the volleys to see
I think I've figured it out! Swing from the shoulder to eliminate variables as much as possible, ie wrist and the elbow.
I'm a pretty big Vic Braden fan and I like what he's suggesting with the wrist and elbow staying firm and quiet for hitting volleys. If those joints are too active, there are too many variables that can kill a volleyer's consistency and control. .
was reviewing laver’s book today, and he specifically advocated the australian grip for all volleys. another atp coach (from the 80s), dubs specialist and singles s&v’er also was a big fan of australian for volleys (helped fh volleys and promoted bh volleys a bit closer to my body). I experimented with it, but I didn’t like having to switch from australian for volleys, then conti for serving/slice.