What is your IQ?

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
@dgold44 says he wouldn't do it because he is smart to know that an alibi can come in handy. You, as a Hitchcock connoisseur, should know that.

I misspelt connoisseur in a threat about IQ. Awesum. :(
You forgot to use spelling IQ - it's a red line. ;)

I found yesterday that when you have been "lead", as when you are following, it's "led". Somehow I've been mispelling that for about 65 years. The little red spelling IQ line is not smart enough to correct some things. ;)
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I always score 100's. I am that smart. 100 is the best you can get, so I would obviously get a 100...
I'll bet you also always get a 100 in humility too. ;)

Being serious for a moment: any score you get for "intelligence" is only relative in areas in which the kind of skills tested are important. An IQ test is utterly useless for testing musical aptitude because it does not test things that are important to musicians. I consider IQ absolutely useless for telling me anything I need to know about myself or the people I teach.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
@Gary Duane

Did you graduate in the top 100% of your class?
I have no idea where I was in relationship to the rest of my class. I'm serious. I was in the top 100% of the music school. My teachers wanted me to enter piano competitions. Always first chair in the wind ensemble. Majored in piano and did brass as a principle instrument, which was unheard of. Starting making money accompanying, competing with gradutate students in my freshman year. Passed the sightsinging final exam for second year before ever setting foot in a class. Aced every theory exam. And so on.

Non music test scores were anywhere from great to flunking dependent on whether or not I gave a duck. Many things I scored low on I later became expert in when I got interested, like languages.

I've pursued my own goals my entire life and never stopped to think much about how anyone else would rate my intelligence. But I was a legitimate musical prodigy, which to me also means nothing. I had absolutely horrible teaching, which is why I dedicated my life to helping other people, some talented, get a good start with sane instruction.

In my life I've met more smart people than kind people, so I rate kindness as much more important - and much rarer.
 
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I'll bet you also always get a 100 in humility too. ;)

Being serious for a moment: any score you get for "intelligence" is only relative in areas in which the kind of skills tested are important. An IQ test is utterly useless for testing musical aptitude because it does not test things that are important to musicians. I consider IQ absolutely useless for telling me anything I need to know about myself or the people I teach.
I also have notice that some extremely smart people don't do much with it either. The ones that are like mini geniuses but you never knew.

But I guess you can say that with a lot of talents and skills.
 

IA-SteveB

Hall of Fame
I'll bet you also always get a 100 in humility too. ;)

Being serious for a moment: any score you get for "intelligence" is only relative in areas in which the kind of skills tested are important. An IQ test is utterly useless for testing musical aptitude because it does not test things that are important to musicians. I consider IQ absolutely useless for telling me anything I need to know about myself or the people I teach.
Very well said. Dgold44 should take this to heart especially when tagging civil servants, nurses and his customers with arbitrary numbers. I realize this lies outside of the context you mention.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I also have notice that some extremely smart people don't do much with it either. The ones that are like mini geniuses but you never knew.

But I guess you can say that with a lot of talents and skills.
The problem is that there is no score for desire, and there is no measure for creativity. For instance, Mozart was dead at age 35, so we don't know what he could have done if he lived decades longer, but in that fairly short time he created masterpieces that make people's jaws drop today. People speculate that his IQ must have been astronomical. Supposedly he could write symphonies while traveling in a carriage, just working out everything in his head and writing it down.

Beethoven, in contrast, was know for struggling. His manuscripts show music crossed out, reworked. It's as if he almost left his blood on the pages, getting things right in his mind. His creative process was night and day different from Mozart's. Often his sketches seems downright primitive compared to his final versions.

But who of those two was the greater genius? I'd say it is a toss-up.

According to biographers there were better mathematicians by far then Einstein, and he had to turn to others for help when trying to complete the math to support his own theories. He was known for thought experiments where he figured things out in logical, non-mathematical ways. But non one today says, "Old Einstein wasn't really too smart. He didn't always get the best grades in school at all times and even struggled in some areas."

Personally I think the ability to struggle through and get to goals without ever giving up is a kind of talent that is not thought about much. There is no "perseverance section" on an IQ test, and in fact we don't even know how much IQ scores are dependent on the will to get through them and prove to the world how smart we are...
 

Genious at Work

Hall of Fame
You forgot to use spelling IQ - it's a red line. ;)

I found yesterday that when you have been "lead", as when you are following, it's "led". Somehow I've been mispelling that for about 65 years. The little red spelling IQ line is not smart enough to correct some things. ;)
I donut use the read squeaglie line. Evur.

Seriously, I hate autocorrect just like you probably hate autotune. If there is a field AI should definitely not be applied is in helping people become even dumber than they already are. As a musician you know that the way to become better at something is to practice tirelessly, to fail and try again. Autocorrect prevents failure and learning. It is a thing of the devil and it is the first thing I turn off in any device I am using.
 

Genious at Work

Hall of Fame
The problem is that there is no score for desire, and there is no measure for creativity. For instance, Mozart was dead at age 35, so we don't know what he could have done if he lived decades longer, but in that fairly short time he created masterpieces that make people's jaws drop today. People speculate that his IQ must have been astronomical. Supposedly he could write symphonies while traveling in a carriage, just working out everything in his head and writing it down.

Beethoven, in contrast, was know for struggling. His manuscripts show music crossed out, reworked. It's as if he almost left his blood on the pages, getting things right in his mind. His creative process was night and day different from Mozart's. Often his sketches seems downright primitive compared to his final versions.

But who of those two was the greater genius? I'd say it is a toss-up.

According to biographers there were better mathematicians by far then Einstein, and he had to turn to others for help when trying to complete the math to support his own theories. He was known for thought experiments where he figured things out in logical, non-mathematical ways. But non one today says, "Old Einstein wasn't really too smart. He didn't always get the best grades in school at all times and even struggled in some areas."

Personally I think the ability to struggle through and get to goals without ever giving up is a kind of talent that is not thought about much. There is no "perseverance section" on an IQ test, and in fact we don't even know how much IQ scores are dependent on the will to get through them and prove to the world how smart we are...
THAT is it. The ability to focus, struggle, and persevere. That is the real catalyst for true genius to flourish. Also, I have found some people who have natural abilities for something seem to lack any interest in it, which fails to stoke their passion and ability to achieve much of anything. It is sad, as it deprives the person and humanity of perhaps masterpieces or revolutionary discoveries.
 

Genious at Work

Hall of Fame
I am sure Einstein would fail miserably in the traditional IQ test. He was a slow thinker with a hint of asperger.
I don't think so. That is a common myth. Einstein might not have scored his true IQ in a traditional test, but he was an accomplished (LOL) scientist and teacher and an extremely articulate writer. He wouldn't "fail miserably" in a traditional IQ test.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
High IQ is about being able to think out of the box to solve a problem. It’s often the opposite of what people think. It’s not like a generic nerd type of thinking, they are often too closed. To see things from many perspectives. So it’s not typical for a high IQ person to have low social intelligence as many thinks. It’s a stereotype thing to think people w high IQ is like a nerd w little sense of reality.
Scores can be masked with experience then.

If you just happen to like reading or solving puzzle books, then you can build up a vast library of techniques and known cases to solve puzzles efficiently. This is an approach to do well on middle-school and high-school mathematics competitions. You don't necessarily have to see the exact, same problem in your preparation - you may just have such a big library of techniques that you may be able to synthesize an answer.

Then you may have problems like this one on an actuarial exam:



Which is just chugging out the answer. Of course you have to know how to chug out the answer. There are more essay-type problems on Actuarial exams.
 

Zara

Legend
I don't think so. That is a common myth. Einstein might not have scored his true IQ in a traditional test, but he was an accomplished (LOL) scientist and teacher and an extremely articulate writer. He wouldn't "fail miserably" in a traditional IQ test.
That he was but you couldn't have timed him or forced him. A creative thinker who tends to think outside the box needs to relax a lot more and let things come to them. This is not the same as the mainstream thinkers.

Also, he wasn't terrific in math and had to rely on his wife for calculations.
 

Zara

Legend
The traditional IQ test is also for street-smarts and not for complex thinkers. If you give them (complex thinkers) a problem, they might find one too many ways to solve it and that might confuse them, because they wouldn't know which one to arrive with and might require a lot more thoughts. And also, they may find problems with the problem.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
I scored 128 in high school.
I took one a few years ago and I was only at 115.
Doubt I'd be close to there now.
I am truly getting old, fat and dumberer.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
The traditional IQ test is also for street-smarts and not for complex thinkers. If you give them (complex thinkers) a problem, they might find one too many ways to solve it and that might confuse them, because they wouldn't know which one to arrive with and might require a lot more thoughts. And also, they may find problems with the problem.
Sounds like me.

Here's a difficult problem posted to TW many years ago and you can see how I approach complex problems from it.

 

donquijote

Legend
I scored 100% in the citizenship test. Can I use that as my IQ certificate?
No, quite the opposite. That means you're very ordinary and lack creativity. You need to know the laws and rules to manage a life. You need an authority to regulate things for you and you think it's good for everyone.
 

jersey34tennis

Semi-Pro
127. Only reason I know this is because I had to go through a plethora of tests during therapy and part of it was to access if I had add. It’s not a complaint nor a brag. I still lose my keys on a regular basis and will never turn down a simple conversation or a challenging intellectual one where I know I’ll have to do some reading afterwards if I want to engage that person again. High or low iq isn’t nearly important and intention as far as I’m concerned. You’re either good, unlearned, or unaware of whatever baggage you’re carrying. No ones perfect but we can all stand to get a little better at the least
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I don't think so. That is a common myth. Einstein might not have scored his true IQ in a traditional test, but he was an accomplished (LOL) scientist and teacher and an extremely articulate writer. He wouldn't "fail miserably" in a traditional IQ test.
I agree with you, but there is another aspect to this. I will admit reluctantly that I'm somewhere between confident and arrogant about my own thinking ability, and that causes me to totally fuzz out when I'm asked to do anything I think is stupid. To me IQ tests are stupid, so I can't focus. If you ask me to take a test, I immediately start to analyze the questions, and the moment I decide a question is stupid - or ambiguous - it sets off annoyance. Then if someone pushes me to continue, against my will. that annoyance turns to rage and I frankly want to destroy the person who is forcing me to do what I don't want to do.

Stupid questions infuriate me because to me it is a sign that someone who really IS stupid, or careless, somehow gets to monopolize my time.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I agree with you, but there is another aspect to this. I will admit reluctantly that I'm somewhere between confident and arrogant about my own thinking ability, and that causes me to totally fuzz out when I'm asked to do anything I think is stupid. To me IQ tests are stupid, so I can't focus. If you ask me to take a test, I immediately start to analyze the questions, and the moment I decide a question is stupid - or ambiguous - it sets off annoyance. Then if someone pushes me to continue, against my will. that annoyance turns to rage and I frankly want to destroy the person who is forcing me to do what I don't want to do.

Stupid questions infuriate me because to me it is a sign that someone who really IS stupid, or careless, somehow gets to monopolize my time.
You need business leadership training. Then you’d know, there are no stupid questions
 
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