What kind of Alcaraz "fan" are you?

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
There are 5 types of Alcaraz fans on TTW from my observation:

1. Djokovic fans who big him up during tournaments but crap on him later when their guy has won. They go from "damn he has the highest level now" to 'lol he got 2 lucky slams hehe".

2. Fedal fans who celebrate him when he wins against Djokovic, but will stomp him down when he loses to knock Djokovic down for it being a weak era. "See? Djokovic has vultured until now with an ATG finally to stop him" to "he'd be lucky to win a 250 in 2012" is their range.

3. Mythical fans who call him a peak Big 3 equivalent -- used as a reference by the fanbases above to jointly mock him lol.

4. Homogeneity era critics who think that the Big-3 aren't all that special and that any potential ATG without equivalent competitors can and should break all possible records while recognising that Alcaraz is potentially that ATG.

5. Actual fans. There are perhaps 4(?) of us here. This type of fan partakes in criticising him too but in good faith unlike the other fans of his.

Which one of these is you?

Edit: Honorable mention: the Alcaraz anti-fan. They are happy bigging Sinner up as they find the Sinner hype somehow more palatable than the Carlos hype from Tennis media, and predicting a roid-rage episode or two from Alcaraz at some point to spice it up.
 
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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Honorable mention: the Alcaraz anti-fan. They are happy bigging Sinner up as they find the Sinner hype somehow more palatable than the Carlos hype from Tennis media, and predicting a roid-rage episode or two from Alcaraz at some point to spice it up.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
I'm a glory hunter, I'll be a fan if I live long enough to see him pass Djoker's slam record. So he'd need to win 23 slams within the next 3-7 years.
Refreshingly honest.
But that's the thing about mortality. There's no guarantee that either of us or even Alcaraz for that matter will be alive 2 months from now.
 

CoolCoolCool

Hall of Fame
Refreshingly honest.
But that's the thing about mortality. There's no guarantee that either of us or even Alcaraz for that matter will be alive 2 months from now.
Just kidding, I'm not a glory hunter. Kinda neutral about Raz right now, what I mostly hope is that he'll have worthy rivals in the future, otherwise the post-Big 3 era will be quite depressing.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Just kidding, I'm not a glory hunter. Kinda neutral about Raz right now, what I mostly hope is that he'll have worthy rivals in the future, otherwise the post-Big 3 era will be quite depressing.
Figured. But there are Tennis fans who are glory hunters just as they exist elsewhere. They aren't necessarily bad because different strokes for different folks, eh?

Oh certainly. Sinner is a thorn already. I look forward to more of their matches in a universe where Sinner realises his potential now that he's at his peak age.
 
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RaulRamirez

Legend
I'm a tennis fan who appreciates Alcaraz's tennis skills, athleticism, charisma and what appears to be a good, solid person anchoring all this. He's 20 years old, and certainly appears to be the greatest player to hit the tour since a certain player from Serbia. I try to enjoy him and other players without every single tournament being a referendum on their Goatiness or Mugginess quotients.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
I'm a tennis fan who appreciates Alcaraz's tennis skills, athleticism, charisma and what appears to be a good, solid person anchoring all this. He's 20 years old, and certainly appears to be the greatest player to hit the tour since a certain player from Serbia. I try to enjoy him and other players without every single tournament being a referendum on their Goatiness or Mugginess quotients.
Beautiful. This is the way.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Son,So you appreciate player or make 180 around him because of what his fans think ?lol
More like Tennis TV. Except that one poster Vamos CAG, I don't know anyone who pencils Alcaraz for 48 slams who aren't Big-3 stans with different but obvious agenda.

Fwiw, I used to dislike Rafa back in the day because of how many times he beat Roger, and how the Facebook Rafan army was. But thankfully I've grown older since to realise that art is to be separated from the artist, and the artist is to be separated from his obnoxious fans.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
More like Tennis TV. Except that one poster Vamos CAG, I don't know anyone who pencils Alcaraz for 48 slams who aren't Big-3 stans with different but obvious agenda.

Fwiw, I used to dislike Rafa back in the day because of how many times he beat Roger, and how the Facebook Rafan army was. But thankfully I've grown older since to realise that art is to be separated from the artist, and the artist is to be separated from his obnoxious fans.

Fed fans were nothing in front of Rafa fans back in the day, there was a hate forum in garb of a tennis forum called Ruan Federer and posters over there outright crazy alongside that guy himself. Later on he started supporting Novak because Novak was able to beat Rafa lol. I never hated Fed even though didn't like his dominance early in his career, players come and go, it's just a sport.
 

Clay lover

Legend
I appreciate him for the entertainment value he gives matches. I have no problem with people not liking him but just have one thing to add - holding him accountable for the hype he didn't personally generate is dumb - some braindead takes are like "he has good skills, but people hype him, so I hate him."

What?
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
I appreciate him for the entertainment value he gives matches. I have no problem with people not liking him but just have one thing to add - holding him accountable for the hype he didn't personally generate is dumb - some braindead takes are like "he has good skills, but people hype him, so I hate him."

What?

Yeah like not liking or disliking someone because some people he's not even aware of their existence are hyping him lol
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
I appreciate him for the entertainment value he gives matches. I have no problem with people not liking him but just have one thing to add - holding him accountable for the hype he didn't personally generate is dumb - some braindead takes are like "he has good skills, but people hype him, so I hate him."

What?
Spot on. Such people invariably are the fan types 1 and 2 in the OP too from what I've seen (see pavvy23 on Twitter for example. He uses similar reasoning behind his spitting of venom).
 

Federev

Legend
There are 5 types of Alcaraz fans on TTW from my observation:

1. Djokovic fans who big him up during tournaments but crap on him later when their guy has won. They go from "damn he has the highest level now" to 'lol he got 2 lucky slams hehe".

2. Fedal fans who celebrate him when he wins against Djokovic, but will stomp him down when he loses to knock Djokovic down for it being a weak era. "See? Djokovic has vultured until now with an ATG finally to stop him" to "he'd be lucky to win a 250 in 2012" is their range.

3. Mythical fans who call him a peak Big 3 equivalent -- used as a reference by the fanbases above to jointly mock him lol.

4. Homogeneity era critics who think that the Big-3 aren't all that special and that any potential ATG without equivalent competitors can and should break all possible records while recognising that Alcaraz is potentially that ATG.

5. Actual fans. There are perhaps 4(?) of us here. This type of fan partakes in criticising him too but in good faith unlike the other fans of his.

Which one of these is you?

Edit: Honorable mention: the Alcaraz anti-fan. They are happy bigging Sinner up as they find the Sinner hype somehow more palatable than the Carlos hype from Tennis media, and predicting a roid-rage episode or two from Alcaraz at some point to spice it up.

I’m a combo.

1. I want him to preserve Federer’s last remaining records over Novak - most wins at WB and USO.

2. I also love his game and his personality. He makes tennis exciting (for me) in a way I haven’t seen since the best of Federer and Rafa. His game is varied and attacking like Fed and his physical and emotional intensity is like Rafa. HOW CAN YOU BE A FAN OF THE SPORT AND NOT LIKE THAT????

3. I also like to make fun of how short he is or might be. I don’t really care if he’s 6’3” by now.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
I’m a combo.

1. I want him to preserve Federer’s last remaining records over Novak - most wins at WB and USO.

2. I also love his game and his personality. He makes tennis exciting (for me) in a way I haven’t seen since the best of Federer and Rafa. His game is varied and attacking like Fed and his physical and emotional intensity is like Rafa. HOW CAN YOU BE A FAN OF THE SPORT AND NOT LIKE THAT????

3. I also like to make fun of how short he is or might be. I don’t really care if he’s 6’3” by now.
1. Understandable
2. How you ask? Strangers on the internet hyped him in a comment thread on Tennis TV. Therefore I must dislike him and downplay everything he does.
3. Tiny has arms as long as Isner's, sir.
 

Eureka

Professional
I'm a tennis fan who appreciates Alcaraz's tennis skills, athleticism, charisma and what appears to be a good, solid person anchoring all this. He's 20 years old, and certainly appears to be the greatest player to hit the tour since a certain player from Serbia. I try to enjoy him and other players without every single tournament being a referendum on their Goatiness or Mugginess quotients.
Superb stuff. You'll no doubt be aware though, that some view the lack of bias as a weakness. I have no problem in professing my liking for those I like, but have not seen it necessary to spout vitriol against those that I don't like. And it is the game that catches the eye - I am not a fan of Nick Kyrgios but can easily say that when he played with intent and used his full abilities, he had a touch of genius about him. I never liked McEnroe, yet enjoyed his game.

Anyway, turning to Carlos - I like the boy and his game a lot. I'm impressed too with how nice he appears to be be. So I am a fan.
But it makes me cringe when reading comments about how he is already better than the 3 Maestros / will win umpteen GS titles etc. He is a 20 year old kid who has had an outstanding 2 years on tour and who is likely to continue to do well, all else being equal. He has a long way to go, and the potential has yet to be realised. Whilst hoping that he will continue to excel, I am well aware of the challenges he must face. Wishing the very best of everything in facing them.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Superb stuff. You'll no doubt be aware though, that some view the lack of bias as a weakness. I have no problem in professing my liking for those I like, but have not seen it necessary to spout vitriol against those that I don't like. And it is the game that catches the eye - I am not a fan of Nick Kyrgios but can easily say that when he played with intent and used his full abilities, he had a touch of genius about him. I never liked McEnroe, yet enjoyed his game.

Anyway, turning to Carlos - I like the boy and his game a lot. I'm impressed too with how nice he appears to be be. So I am a fan.
But it makes me cringe when reading comments about how he is already better than the 3 Maestros / will win umpteen GS titles etc. He is a 20 year old kid who has had an outstanding 2 years on tour and who is likely to continue to do well, all else being equal. He has a long way to go, and the potential has yet to be realised. Whilst hoping that he will continue to excel, I am well aware of the challenges he must face. Wishing the very best of everything in facing them.
The world we live in - especially as it plays out on social media and various forums - just doesn't encourage intelligent, well-reasoned perspectives. I realize that, but I also take pride in writing what I would also say in-person.

I also enjoyed Kyrgios on those occasions when he put forth an honest effort. His game, alone (and I'm not saying that he ever had the polish to dominate) had enough flair without him having to act like a jackass. I would still like to see Nick get his act together, as he has good qualities as both a player (and I think) as a person as well.

I don't know what to project for Carlos, but he certainly has that "it" factor. We can debate what "it" is and who else has/had it, but he definitely brings a sense of excitement - and skill - that few have brought over the years.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
#5

I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve said he’s an ATG level talent and better than Fedovic at the same age. I’ve pegged him to win 10-12 GS when all is said and done.

I’ll also fairly/objectively add context to what he has achieved so far while simultaneously pushing back against those who severely overrate him. For example, this should have been a multi schlem winning season for him given the state of the field.
 

sliceroni

Hall of Fame
Above all I just enjoy watching him play. I don’t watch all his matches, I believe he’s going to win a lot when he peaks, but his game is fun and inspiring, because of that I’ve played more tennis this year than the last 5 years combined. Last player(s) that had that direct effect on me were Fed, then Nadal when he came into his own, Sampras before that (I’m a 1hbh lefty all-courter).
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
#5

I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve said he’s an ATG level talent and better than Fedovic at the same age. I’ve pegged him to win 10-12 GS when all is said and done.

I’ll also fairly/objectively add context to what he has achieved so far while simultaneously pushing back against those who severely overrate him. For example, this should have been a multi schlem winning season for him given the state of the field.
I agree with all (although not sure what my career prediction would be -- haven't made one, but yours seems reasonable) but your last statement.
Not sure about what should have been. He skipped AO with an injury, and perhaps, it was somewhat fair to project him winning one of FO or Wimbledon. Most seemed to give him more of a chance at RG, and he admittedly got overamped for the de facto final v Novak. I thought it amazing that he recovered that quickly to not only get to the final at Wimby, but to defeat Novak. I can't say that he underachieved at the USO. I truly think that Med played an amazing semi versus him. About the best I've ever seen from Med.
should have been a multi schlem winning season
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
I agree with all (although not sure what my career prediction would be -- haven't made one, but yours seems reasonable) but your last statement.
Not sure about what should have been. He skipped AO with an injury, and perhaps, it was somewhat fair to project him winning one of FO or Wimbledon. Most seemed to give him more of a chance at RG, and he admittedly got overamped for the de facto final v Novak. I thought it amazing that he recovered that quickly to not only get to the final at Wimby, but to defeat Novak. I can't say that he underachieved at the USO. I truly think that Med played an amazing semi versus him. About the best I've ever seen from Med.
That’s essentially what it boils down to for me. I’m not giving him a pass for RG. He was the pretty heavy favorite coming into the match. He had won Barca and Madrid whereas Joker had an horrendous CC season heading into RG. As for RG itself, Carl looked to be the more in form player coming into the SF. It’d be one thing if Joker beat him by out playing him, but he didn’t. Instead Tiny Carl got so nervous that he cramped up and that’s all she wrote. I just found it to be very puzzling considering that he had just leveled the match and had clearly wrestled the moment away (Joker’s serve and FH speed dropped significantly when he aggravated his elbow). Really no reason why he shouldn’t have won there.

Now I have him huge props for turning it around mentally on such short notice and beating the same guy who he cramped up against less than a month later. Granted Joker was bad for large chunks of the match, but I still have to hand it to the kid. I didn’t give him much of a chance at Wimby. Wimby would have been the last schlem I would have predicted he’d win if I had to wager a guess.

The 2-1 Open loss to the Mad Lad wasn’t a good showing tbh. He had owned Med in both their previous matches this year (won all 5 sets played) and was the defending champion. Stylistically he’s a bad matchup for him and yet he wasn’t able to take advantage of Med’s ROS position that Joker absolutely abused in the F. Med played well but I wouldn’t say it was some insurmountable take the racquet out of your hand level.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
That’s essentially what it boils down to for me. I’m not giving him a pass for RG. He was the pretty heavy favorite coming into the match. He had won Barca and Madrid whereas Joker had an horrendous CC season heading into RG. As for RG itself, Carl looked to be the more in form player coming into the SF. It’d be one thing if Joker beat him by out playing him, but he didn’t. Instead Tiny Carl got so nervous that he cramped up and that’s all she wrote. I just found it to be very puzzling considering that he had just leveled the match and had clearly wrestled the moment away (Joker’s serve and FH speed dropped significantly when he aggravated his elbow). Really no reason why he shouldn’t have won there.

Now I have him huge props for turning it around mentally on such short notice and beating the same guy who he cramped up against less than a month later. Granted Joker was bad for large chunks of the match, but I still have to hand it to the kid. I didn’t give him much of a chance at Wimby. Wimby would have been the last schlem I would have predicted he’d win if I had to wager a guess.

The 2-1 Open loss to the Mad Lad wasn’t a good showing tbh. He had owned Med in both their previous matches this year (won all 5 sets played) and was the defending champion. Stylistically he’s a bad matchup for him and yet he wasn’t able to take advantage of Med’s ROS position that Joker absolutely abused in the F. Med played well but I wouldn’t say it was some insurmountable take the racquet out of your hand level.
Fair enough,. although I truly was quite impressed with Med's game that day. Perhaps, I'd be less enamored of it if I watched a replay (note; too busy and not inclined to do so), but he had some pop on his FH, played off his front foot and simply looked great.

The one thing that absolutely impressed me about Carlos was how he faced the "world" and talked about how he didn't manage his excitement and nerves versus Novak at RG. That type of humility and honesty was quite refreshing, and look how he rebounded.
 

Eureka

Professional
.............I don't know what to project for Carlos, but he certainly has that "it" factor. We can debate what "it" is and who else has/had it, but he definitely brings a sense of excitement - and skill - that few have brought over the years.
I look forward to debating the "it" factor and much else besides, with you and some others. I agree - Carlos has that factor already and he is only 20 years old. Itwill be interesting to watch his progress, as well as that of the others starting out.

................. But thankfully I've grown older since to realise that art is to be separated from the artist, and the artist is to be separated from his obnoxious fans.
Beautifully said. But, and it'll come as no surprise to you, let me bowl a googly here!

When genius manifests, the artist is one with the art form, transcending the delineation. Beyond art and beyond form.

It would be easy to be anti a player because of the behaviour of some of their fans, but silly too. Tribalism and the posturing that goes on is not for me.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Carlos is a class act. I've seen him override the chair umpire and call a ball in, even though it cost him a point. Casper Ruud does this too. I like both Carlos and Ruud. I won't trash Carlos for losing to players ranked much lower than he. That's to be expected for a 20 year old. 20 year-olds can peak insanely high for stretches. But they don't have the experience to be consistent(exceptions might include players like Djoker and Nadal). And even if he falls short of expectations, I'll still like the guy. Heck, Ruud is disappointing at times. But I still root for him. Admittedly, Shapovalov is really starting to test my patience. He seems like he doesn't even care anymore. But I'd love to see a resurgence by Shapo.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
#5

I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve said he’s an ATG level talent and better than Fedovic at the same age. I’ve pegged him to win 10-12 GS when all is said and done.

I’ll also fairly/objectively add context to what he has achieved so far while simultaneously pushing back against those who severely overrate him. For example, this should have been a multi schlem winning season for him given the state of the field.
I don't necessarily disagree. This should have been a multi-slam season yet it hasn't been.

10-12 itself is a bold call given the nature of life. Should everything go as per schedule, yeah, but who knows? He may get less. Or he may take the Djoker route and surprise us (me) by going waaay past the number expected.

As for me, I enjoy his matches. He's the new spark in Tennis that eroded in my eyes when Roger left the game. I wish him the best.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
He’s a good/great player. Not a legendary player. That’s it. I do feel he’s a bit too nice though. That will harm him a bit.
These are mostly trie true claims. He's a great player but he's not a legend. At least not yet.

He'd have been a legend already had he come from a non-Tennis nation, however.

Right now, he is creating a legacy for himself. But it's work in progress.
 
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