What kind of Alcaraz "fan" are you?

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The world we live in - especially as it plays out on social media and various forums - just doesn't encourage intelligent, well-reasoned perspectives. I realize that, but I also take pride in writing what I would also say in-person.

I also enjoyed Kyrgios on those occasions when he put forth an honest effort. His game, alone (and I'm not saying that he ever had the polish to dominate) had enough flair without him having to act like a jackass. I would still like to see Nick get his act together, as he has good qualities as both a player (and I think) as a person as well.

I don't know what to project for Carlos, but he certainly has that "it" factor. We can debate what "it" is and who else has/had it, but he definitely brings a sense of excitement - and skill - that few have brought over the years.
@RaulRamirez Great post and perspective, as always.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I look forward to debating the "it" factor... and I agree - Carlos has that factor already and he is only 20 years old.
That's it in a nutshell. Very few young players have the "it" factor, even if they eventually go on to become legends. At 20, Roger was just a pony-tailed, massively talented head case, he only got the "it" factor later on when he dominated. He didn't have it at 20.

In fact, the only players I think had that "it" factor as teens were Borg, Mac, Agassi, Boris and Nadal. Safin too for a brief period.

Carlos is definitely in that group. A happy, nice, exuberant kid, anyone hating him just has some boring personal agenda.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
...I used to dislike Rafa back in the day because of how many times he beat Roger...
Fed devotees have always hated Rafa because of that. Fed devotees on TTW have tried to hide this fact and claimed that Rafa fans have been the reason they have bashed (trash-talked) Rafa.
 

ppma

Professional
2. Fedal fans who celebrate him when he wins against Djokovic, but will stomp him down when he loses to knock Djokovic down for it being a weak era. "See? Djokovic has vultured until now with an ATG finally to stop him" to "he'd be lucky to win a 250 in 2012" is their range.

I would like to place some perspective here. Put for example Dimitrov the last match. It's been like 5 years since he played at that level. You will see many players giving their almost perfect game against Alcaraz. I believe he inspires the field when they play against him, and that's good for the sport. With Djokovic, it's the contrary. Most players play like crap against him; they almost start the match already beaten making their encounters difficult and disgusting to see.
 
I would like to place some perspective here. Put for example Dimitrov the last match. It's been like 5 years since he played at that level. You will see many players giving their almost perfect game against Alcaraz. I believe he inspires the field when they play against him, and that's good for the sport. With Djokovic, it's the contrary. Most players play like crap against him; they almost start the match already beaten making their encounters difficult and disgusting to see.
Djokodal both have that over the tour. I have no doubt that if Nadal returns strong most players will fear him again too. They still have that aura that’s lasted many years.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
25>24 Nadal after Wimbledon bestie? ;)
Honestly I’m more than happy with 22, it’s beyond my wildest dreams. I just want him healthy and playing great tennis. If he can win the FO or Olympics it would be amazing. Once he got a much deserved second AO, I can’t ask for anything. I just don’t want him in bad form. Healthy, motivated Nadal is better than everyone on tour except Novak on grass and hard.
 
Honestly I’m more than happy with 22, it’s beyond my wildest dreams. I just want him healthy and playing great tennis. If he can win the FO or Olympics it would be amazing. Once he got a much deserved second AO, I can’t ask for anything. I just don’t want him in bad form. Healthy, motivated Nadal is better than everyone on tour except Novak on grass and hard.
I agree. If he gets that fitness and sustained period of being healthy he’s in the top 3 favourites everywhere and easily favourite at RG.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
There are 5 types of Alcaraz fans on TTW from my observation:

1. Djokovic fans who big him up during tournaments but crap on him later when their guy has won. They go from "damn he has the highest level now" to 'lol he got 2 lucky slams hehe".

2. Fedal fans who celebrate him when he wins against Djokovic, but will stomp him down when he loses to knock Djokovic down for it being a weak era. "See? Djokovic has vultured until now with an ATG finally to stop him" to "he'd be lucky to win a 250 in 2012" is their range.

3. Mythical fans who call him a peak Big 3 equivalent -- used as a reference by the fanbases above to jointly mock him lol.

4. Homogeneity era critics who think that the Big-3 aren't all that special and that any potential ATG without equivalent competitors can and should break all possible records while recognising that Alcaraz is potentially that ATG.

5. Actual fans. There are perhaps 4(?) of us here. This type of fan partakes in criticising him too but in good faith unlike the other fans of his.

Which one of these is you?

Edit: Honorable mention: the Alcaraz anti-fan. They are happy bigging Sinner up as they find the Sinner hype somehow more palatable than the Carlos hype from Tennis media, and predicting a roid-rage episode or two from Alcaraz at some point to spice it up.
5.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Fed devotees have always hated Rafa because of that. Fed devotees on TTW have tried to hide this fact and claimed that Rafa fans have been the reason they have bashed (trash-talked) Rafa.
This isn't meant to be offensive. Any devotion towards any player is potentially toxic and definitely pathetic of you're a grown adult. I used to indulge in fan-wars as a kid haha.

These days I'm just glad that I got to witness the Big 3 at their peak, and thank Nadal for giving me precious memories even if Federer had it at the receiving end. It's just a game.
 
Think 1. is basically a made up category to which no actual posters belong to (maybe some weirdo or someone trolling and impersonating a Djokovic fan). Most Djokovic fans who like Alcaraz respect him after his losses as well. I'm not a fan (find him annoying) and he's too serious obstacle to Nole for me to honestly wish him success but he's a damn fine player and he'll get even better most likely.
 

Cabeza del Demonio

Professional
There are 5 types of Alcaraz fans on TTW from my observation:

1. Djokovic fans who big him up during tournaments but crap on him later when their guy has won. They go from "damn he has the highest level now" to 'lol he got 2 lucky slams hehe".

2. Fedal fans who celebrate him when he wins against Djokovic, but will stomp him down when he loses to knock Djokovic down for it being a weak era. "See? Djokovic has vultured until now with an ATG finally to stop him" to "he'd be lucky to win a 250 in 2012" is their range.

3. Mythical fans who call him a peak Big 3 equivalent -- used as a reference by the fanbases above to jointly mock him lol.

4. Homogeneity era critics who think that the Big-3 aren't all that special and that any potential ATG without equivalent competitors can and should break all possible records while recognising that Alcaraz is potentially that ATG.

5. Actual fans. There are perhaps 4(?) of us here. This type of fan partakes in criticising him too but in good faith unlike the other fans of his.

Which one of these is you?

Edit: Honorable mention: the Alcaraz anti-fan. They are happy bigging Sinner up as they find the Sinner hype somehow more palatable than the Carlos hype from Tennis media, and predicting a roid-rage episode or two from Alcaraz at some point to spice it up.
6. The oldhead who wants some semblance of normalcy back. I do think he's a generational talent, but I think we've lost sight of what "generational talent" used to mean. McEnroe was a "generational talent", he won 7 Slams. Becker and Agassi were "generational talents", they won 6 and 8 Slams. That's what all-time-great careers used to look like.

I don't expect or even really want to see him win 20 Slams. If he gets somewhere between 7 and 12 Slams, that's all-time great material and justifies all the hype he could possibly get.

Records aside, he's also just a mf badass. "Cabeza corazon cojones" ftw
 

Cabeza del Demonio

Professional
Think 1. is basically a made up category to which no actual posters belong to (maybe some weirdo or someone trolling and impersonating a Djokovic fan). Most Djokovic fans who like Alcaraz respect him after his losses as well. I'm not a fan (find him annoying) and he's too serious obstacle to Nole for me to honestly wish him success but he's a damn fine player and he'll get even better most likely.
Yeah, the toxic Djokovic fan types just hate on Carlos. There's not much nuance to it.
 

NattyGut

Semi-Pro
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7. VAMMMMMMOSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
 

Cabeza del Demonio

Professional
FWIW, Alcaraz isn't even my favorite player from this generation. Definitely liked Ruud and Shapovalov more to start with, but Carlitos has separated himself from the pack and made a legacy for himself while the other 2 are AWOL.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Think 1. is basically a made up category to which no actual posters belong to (maybe some weirdo or someone trolling and impersonating a Djokovic fan). Most Djokovic fans who like Alcaraz respect him after his losses as well. I'm not a fan (find him annoying) and he's too serious obstacle to Nole for me to honestly wish him success but he's a damn fine player and he'll get even better most likely.
Follow match threads and you'll see the definite existence of that kind.

Of course there are level-headed fans from that camp much like in any other camp and this isn't about them. I've seen even the most reasonable of the Djoko-tribe go from "woah he's winning this slam..has the highest level Djokovic doomed" to "nah, he ain't good lol..weak era merchant". This is real, this is factual. Please pay attention to what's being posted.
 
Follow match threads and you'll see the definite existence of that kind.

Of course there are level-headed fans from that camp much like in any other camp and this isn't about them. I've seen even the most reasonable of the Djoko-tribe go from "woah he's winning this slam..has the highest level Djokovic doomed" to "nah, he ain't good lol..weak era merchant". This is real, this is factual. Please pay attention to what's being posted.
Sounds like trolling and I don't have time to read threads carefully, especially match threads.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Superb stuff. You'll no doubt be aware though, that some view the lack of bias as a weakness. I have no problem in professing my liking for those I like, but have not seen it necessary to spout vitriol against those that I don't like. And it is the game that catches the eye - I am not a fan of Nick Kyrgios but can easily say that when he played with intent and used his full abilities, he had a touch of genius about him. I never liked McEnroe, yet enjoyed his game.

Anyway, turning to Carlos - I like the boy and his game a lot. I'm impressed too with how nice he appears to be be. So I am a fan.
But it makes me cringe when reading comments about how he is already better than the 3 Maestros / will win umpteen GS titles etc. He is a 20 year old kid who has had an outstanding 2 years on tour and who is likely to continue to do well, all else being equal. He has a long way to go, and the potential has yet to be realised. Whilst hoping that he will continue to excel, I am well aware of the challenges he must face. Wishing the very best of everything in facing them.
This is exactly my position. I agree word for word. I love it when young players do really well. I also like seeing much older players do well, so even though I have not been a fan in the past I think what Djokovic has been doing this year has been pretty amazing. The first players I really looked up were Laver and Rosewall. And that's because they were ten and 14 years older than me. I think a lot of kids who watched the Big Three were like that. The next two that excited me were Jimmy Connors and Bjorn Borg. Those two players are 4 years younger and 8 years younger than me. The next player I remember being super excited about was Boris Becker when he set Wimbledon on fire at such a young age. I absolutely love what young Carlos has been doing. I think he has a great smile and a great attitude. And I enjoy his tennis. His win this year at Wimbledon was magnificent. But unlike many hear in this group I won't be convinced that he's going to win a ton of slams until he wins more.
 
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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
This is exactly my position. I agree word for word. I love it when young players do really well. I also like seeing much older players do well, so even though I have not been a fan in the past I think what Djokovic has been doing this year has been pretty amazing. The first players I really looked up were Laver and Rosewall. And that's because they were ten and 14 years older than me. I think a lot of kids who watched the Big Three were like that. The next two that excited me were Jimmy Connors and Bjorn Borg. Those two players are 4 years younger and 8 years younger than me. The next player I remember being super excited about was Boris Becker when he set Wimbledon on fire at such a young age. I absolutely love what young Carlos has been doing. I think he has a great smile and a great attitude. And I enjoy his tennis. His win this year at Wimbledon was magnificent. But unlike many hear in this group I won't be convinced that he's going to win a ton of slams until he wins more.
It's always refreshing to see the honest takes of legit old-timers.

As with life itself, I see not much of a point in predicting his slam tally (as it's at best, a form of time-killing in the present). Who knows what life has in store? The best we can do is living in the present and seeing what this little genius does, match-by-match.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
6. he's legitimately great already and still has a lot to improve upon which is cool when you think about the future of tennis after the Big 3. he's great on Twitter
Precisely. Carlos Alcaraz, this amazing young player, is far from a finished article.

I'm pretty sure the naysayers will see it for themselves in the coming years. They know it too I suppose but a contrarian will contradict.
 

FedeRadi

Rookie
Definitely not a fan.

As Djokovic Fan the more appropriate category is 1). But I don't think he's lucky to got 2 slam, he's great, maybe not peak big-3 level, but he's only 20. Time will tell us how great he will be. Maybe he wasn't great at USO22, but he could've won RG23 and was unlucky to miss AO23.
He displayed the highest level on the tour sometimes this years, other times Djokovic did.

I cheer against him because:
1) I want Djokovic to continue to win and set other records.
2) There's a chance he could take this records in future.
3) I'm Italian and I hope Sinner will be the next great player. (But I know he is well behind Alcaraz right now)

Not a fan, but I recognize his greatness.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Definitely not a fan.

As Djokovic Fan the more appropriate category is 1). But I don't think he's lucky to got 2 slam, he's great, maybe not peak big-3 level, but he's only 20. Time will tell us how great he will be. Maybe he wasn't great at USO22, but he could've won RG23 and was unlucky to miss AO23.
He displayed the highest level on the tour sometimes this years, other times Djokovic did.

I cheer against him because:
1) I want Djokovic to continue to win and set other records.
2) There's a chance he could take this records in future.
3) I'm Italian and I hope Sinner will be the next great player. (But I know he is well behind Alcaraz right now)

Not a fan, but I recognize his greatness.
Very reasonable. I hope Sinner realises his potential too.
 

Eureka

Professional
..... I also like seeing much older players do well, so even though I have not been a fan in the past I think what Djokovic has been doing this year has been pretty amazing. The first players I really looked up were Laver and Rosewall. And that's because they were ten and 14 years older than me. I think a lot of kids who watched the Big Three were like that. The next two that excited me were Jimmy Connors and Bjorn Borg. Those two players are 4 years younger and 8 years younger than me. The next player I remember being super excited about was Boris Becker when he set Wimbledon on fire at such a young age. I absolutely love what young Carlos has been doing. I think he has a great smile and a great attitude. And I enjoy his tennis. His win this year at Wimbledon was magnificent. But unlike many hear in this group I won't be convinced that he's going to win a ton of slams until he wins more.
I'm nodding away to your comment - it resonates much of my take on things. Boris winning Wimbledon in 1985 at 17 was just phenomenal. There has been so much to enjoy and celebrate in this sport we love. The inspiration that I draw comes not just from those I like, but from the special endeavours and achievements of all players that excel. I have been derided on this board for acknowledging/ admiring Djokovic and referring to him as a Maestro! Looool!
Agree that Carlos' win at Wimbledon was magnificent. So far, so good. The future will be what it is - people falling over themselves to proclaim that he will / won't achieve wonderful things are welcome to it, but one thing is for sure, Carlos has more than met his potential to date.

I need to comment on this one line. I see lack of bias as nothing but something to be admired.

Thanks. Methinks we might be tennis soul mates. :)
 

Rattie

Legend
What kind of fan am I?

I‘m a fan. That’s it. There is no agenda.

I love his game, his attitude, his personality and his talent. He has the X Factor for me, like Rafa does. Vamos Carlos!

I am also a Rafa fan, have been since he first appeared in tour. So what. To me Rafa is special as he has proved time and again. Maybe Carlos won’t achieve on a big 3 level. I don’t care. I will still be his fan.

What happens if Rafa ever plays Carlos? I root for Rafa in that instance. Why? Because I don’t ditch 17 years of being a fan because he is at the end of career and every victory he can get is extra special now. Carlos has his whole career ahead of him and hopefully he will have many more victories for me to enjoy.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
What kind of fan am I?

I‘m a fan. That’s it. There is no agenda.

I love his game, his attitude, his personality and his talent. He has the X Factor for me, like Rafa does. Vamos Carlos!

I am also a Rafa fan, have been since he first appeared in tour. So what. To me Rafa is special as he has proved time and again. Maybe Carlos won’t achieve on a big 3 level. I don’t care. I will still be his fan.

What happens if Rafa ever plays Carlos? I root for Rafa in that instance. Why? Because I don’t ditch 17 years of being a fan because he is at the end of career and every victory he can get is extra special now. Carlos has his whole career ahead of him and hopefully he will have many more victories for me to enjoy.
This would have been me had Roger faced Carlos. Cannot possibly see myself cheering for Alcaraz in an encounter such as that.
 
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