What kind of opponents bring out your best tennis?

johnmccabe

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Playing up against 4.5 guys taught me a ton. Winning some rec matches at lower levels have some fun. My biggest satisfaction somehow has been playing against well trained juniors. I feel I play my best tennis with some UTR mid 5 boys. There are enough pace, variety, rallys. We both make silly mistakes sometimes and we both produce highlight reel points.

Who brings out your best tennis?
 
Higher level players for sure. Because it forces you to swing at full speed with control. Whereas against lower level players you can get away with swinging slower and still win.
 
Higher level players for sure. Because it forces you to swing at full speed with control. Whereas against lower level players you can get away with swinging slower and still win.
Style is also a factor. The super consistent 4.5 I hit regularly with gives me no free gifts at all. Once I'm in defense, it's a matter of quick or slow death. I rarely get 3 games out of a set. It's great training for me. But I just don't enjoy it as much, not because of losing.
 
Style is also a factor. The super consistent 4.5 I hit regularly with gives me no free gifts at all. Once I'm in defense, it's a matter of quick or slow death. I rarely get 3 games out of a set. It's great training for me. But I just don't enjoy it as much, not because of losing.

General rule of thumb, the higher their level the harder you have to swing, on average. Not every single ball but on average. Even if they are higher level pushers. Because you have to put pressure on them.

It's more fun to play at a higher intensity so more fun to play higher level players, that you can still handle. Not fun if you can't handle them at all then they are too high.
 
Not pushers, that's for sure

Probably my Dad. He's just me, but fatter and worse. I can really open up the bag of tricks and do stuff that I wouldn't regularly do in a tournament (1HBH, swinging volleys, etc)
 
I won't be too smart here, I play my best tennis against rather straight-forward conventional hitters who are at my level or slightly below. They give me rhythm, allow to counter-punch as well as develop attacks, and they rarely put me into odd situations.

I'm actually ok to play competitive matches where I have to move a lot and play creative points, chase dropshots, recover lobs. Also makes me try and do my best.

I tend to break down to a degree when facing better players with dominating styles (big hitters or net rushers) - always start going for too much in terms of shots quality, and I believe it's not my best tennis, I should actually keep my normal shots, they are good enough...

I've also been always struggling against passive players who are good at retrieving, but I'm changing that with more patient and satisfying point construction. So nowadays I'd say these players make me play rather solid game, forcing good improvements.
 
Net rushers: I have both decent passing shots and lob. The less time I have, generally the better my shot.
 
Anyone that is not a ball dinker that don't know how to execute specific shots but however all the time is creating trouble (for his advantage) with poisoned slices, lobs, or short angles.

In summary, any player that knows what he is doing.
 
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This is all relative to level of course. I haven't played usta in years, but probably in the top half of 3.5 based on other people at the club i compete with.

I hit the best balls against players that play a defensive, grinding game. Although I hit the best strokes here, I haven't developed the skill to take over the point. or to not play as one dimensional as I do.

I often dictate the point, but fail to effectively capitalize with enough consistency to win when I gain advantage.

I win the most against players that want to attack the net. I hit with enough power to make net rushing difficult, and passing and jamming drives are my best weapons.

I lately have been working on bringing people to the net on my terms. This seems to be a good way for me to improve against baseline grinders.

I struggle against people who can hit the ball hard consistently, which is odd, because that's exactly what I try to do. I try on defense, but it's definitely not the side of the ball where I have a lot of strength relative to other players at my level.

I don't do well staying at the net. I am comfortable hitting an approach shot and closing in, but staying up there in anything other than an offensive/finishing position is quite difficult.
 
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Bring out the best: Playing at levels or more so playing up
Bring out the worst: Playing lower

That said, I have had some pretty crap matches against higher level players too, and dominated lowers.

I dunno. I think it is a lot of things, but I know sleep and attitude are a big one for me in every match.
 
Definitely players who hit with the same pace and rhythm as myself. I can then deploy my most natural swing speed and get into a groove and strike the ball really well.

In terms of match-ups and easy wins, players who hit spinny ground strokes with no depth, i.e typically landing 2 feet past the service line.
 
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Definitely players who hit with the same pace and rhythm as myself. I can then deploy my most natural swing speed and get into a groove and strike the ball really well.

In terms of match-ups and easy wins, players who hit spinny ground strokes with no depth, i.e typically landing 2 feet past the service line.
This gets me thinking a little more. I'm or I try to be an all court player. I do try to come to the net when there is a short ball. I play better against pace similar or faster than mine. I'm more than happy to play someone changing pace a lot. Pushers automatically make me think it's a pain in the neck win or lose. I recently took a set off a big hitter one level above me. I lost count how many times I got aced, but that was a lot of fun. When I come to the net, some good players always nail me with a precise lob then I just have to grind it out at the baseline. Then if I got beaten by shot tolerance, I think it's a good training but not my best tennis. So I think I play my best when opponent doesn't mercilessly take out my weapons and then makes no errors himself. If we are both trying to create fun points and wanting to try different things, I feel I play the best.
 
Not pushers, that's for sure

Probably my Dad. He's just me, but fatter and worse. I can really open up the bag of tricks and do stuff that I wouldn't regularly do in a tournament (1HBH, swinging volleys, etc)
I was going to say the opposite… definitely pushers here! I find my game works pretty well against them, particularly if they’re hitting slow balls with lots of margin.

Worst matchup is flat hitters, having to get low to hit up on the ball sucks
 
I was going to say the opposite… definitely pushers here! I find my game works pretty well against them, particularly if they’re hitting slow balls with lots of margin.

Worst matchup is flat hitters, having to get low to hit up on the ball sucks

What I really hate is a pusher who camps out in the alley and just moonballs inside-out to my backhand. Working on strategies to counter that, because hitting inside-in FHs doesn't work.
 
What I really hate is a pusher who camps out in the alley and just moonballs inside-out to my backhand. Working on strategies to counter that, because hitting inside-in FHs doesn't work.
I’ve found a short slice DTL to their backhand (assuming right-handed) works great. You can come in on it to about the T and either put away the volley or hit the overhead depending on what they do. I have yet to play a pusher who can do much with it consistently, and then they have to be more honest with where they stand. You have to be comfortable with a net game, but it’s very effective if that’s what they’re doing
 
I’ve found a short slice DTL to their backhand (assuming right-handed) works great. You can come in on it to about the T and either put away the volley or hit the overhead depending on what they do. I have yet to play a pusher who can do much with it consistently, and then they have to be more honest with where they stand. You have to be comfortable with a net game, but it’s very effective if that’s what they’re doing

Yeah, just that BH DTL isn't the easiest thing to execute especially when they are pulling you way off the court and putting loads of topspin on the ball

Which is why I'm not the UTR6 I want to be.
 
General rule of thumb, the higher their level the harder you have to swing, on average. Not every single ball but on average. Even if they are higher level pushers. Because you have to put pressure on them.

It's more fun to play at a higher intensity so more fun to play higher level players, that you can still handle. Not fun if you can't handle them at all then they are too high.
And to take more chances, make it random. From a book, called "Play chess as a tiger". It applies in tennis as well. You only want to play consistent against lower rated opponents.

And @johnmccabe, take control of the point, with either first strike weapons or a FH or something :)
 
That's how I like to play and how I used to lose very quickly against good players. Now at least I can hang in there for a while.
That was true (tennis being a sport of errors) be at the top levels at the ATP, when a power player would only take set out of the top players, but it has changed lately, both for men and women, imo.
Besides it is fun, to live by the sword, die by the sword...
 
That was true (tennis being a sport of errors) be at the top levels at the ATP, when a power player would only take set out of the top players, but it has changed lately, both for men and women, imo.
Besides it is fun, to live by the sword, die by the sword...
One of the most important skills in tennis is to take risk responsibly and get a better chance of success whenever you do slam the gas paddle. This is also a valuable skill and mindset for life in general.
 
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Pushers. They force me to practice my approach patterns, use disciplined transition footwork, and stick my volleys and overheads. Against people who miss, even if they hit a better neutral ball, those offensive habits often slack. Half way into the first set against a true pusher, I'll have dialed in that part of my game again, and it's extremely fun. Usually serve-and-volleying at least half the points as well.

Players who can hit hard without missing help me tremendously as well (far more rare, usually UTR 7.5+). They force my swing to refine itself into its more abbreviated version, which performs far better all around the court. Against no pace players, I get lax and have a few hitches that don't need to be there. Those get so punished by people who can actually hit that they quickly abate.

The player I play worst against is the decent velo guy who misses every third ball. I know there's no way I can lose, so it's hard to focus. I make too many errors from the baseline, but I don't really notice, because they're making more, so I'm still winning. I'm never really pressed to go to net, because if I just hit two solid deep topspin groundstrokes in a row, the chance of an outright error is like 80%. Contrast that with the pusher, who FORCES you to play in order to beat them, or the high velo consistent guy, against whom you will lose every single point if your strokes aren't dialed in. The feedback in matches like that is infinitely better.
 
I play best against players who don’t return my serve well so that I have a lot of service winners or easy +1 shots. When I’m holding serve easily without any pressure, I typically swing away confidently on returns and get a lot of breaks also. My best tennis is an offensive style and happens when I serve and return well as the point patterns are in my favor from the start when that happens.
 
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