It isn’t just topspin - you can hit topspin shots that after the bounce pop up more than forward. Others will kick forward more than up.
I think this is it - gonna try to get a feel for this next couple sessions this week. Feels like my timing is still suspect so I wait too long to start my swing - and when I hit further out in front and feel my right leg come around, the ball just pops off the racquet and that’s when I’m noticing my opponent pushed further back.
Rising socket? What do you mean?
Don't understand the "both" part...or, both: heavy topspin with pace
He means the region of space-time where the racket can hit the ball in a rising fashion.
Rising socket- the synchronous rise of the shoulder and the elbow along a linear pathway to impart topspin while making level groundstroje swing instead of a low to high groudstroke swing.
Learned something new...
Ahhh so this sounds like it starts from the ground up with pushing up with my legs? Makes sense - earlier in a session I can do this faster and more aggressively vs later, reducing thst forward speed as I get tired.
Plus the height hit over the net
Practice. Work on brushing up the back of the ball more. When you've mastered that, continue adding pace by swinging faster.
i used to hit like that. very tiring way to swing (i was basically combining a hip twist, ala tyson, like you said, with kinda of bicep curl/hook punch motion)... definitely can produce a decent amount of topspin (at least for the ntrp4.0 level i was at, at the time)... not as much penetration though compared to the way i currently hit (or how the pros hit - ie. who i'm trying to emulate).
Did you do the rising socket? Don't agree that it is a bicep curl. Maximum penetration and velocity achevieable if you know how to throw a punch. Most people have weak slow punches. Send me a video of your old stroke and I will compare it to mine. Turn the sound up so I can hear what your racket sounds like in the air. Does it swoosh?
i never videod my old strokes... back when video'ing was annoying & clunky, and yt wasn't really a thing... but it looked very very similar (yes, with a rising socket... though i didn't have a name for it back then)...
I am not disputing the pros way of doing things. It is proven by the test of time. No argument there.
is that addressed at me? i thought we were having a conversation... how am i addressing your posts in any manner? did i attack your ability?
No it is in general. I am not frustrated with you. .just some people are trying to save me because they feel I am hopelessly lost...I am not...so no it is not about you☻
Oh contraire. It is a very agressive way of imparting topsin to flatter tennis stroke.
It can work. Many things can work from close up unless you face some Alcarazes or De Minaurs to get to anything you hit and pass you. The question is, why it’s supposed to be better than typical high level topspin drive? Net clearance is totally a controlled feature with any technique, you want - you hit a net skimmer, you wish - you send it higher.
lol more of a dabbler, probably like a ntrp4.0 level martial artist... i can do the moves...
Elastic collisions where a larger mass collides with a smaller mass results in an inrease in speed if the smaller mass. The arm and the racket are bigger than the ball so the laggy whippy pro topspin is effective because of the great head speed generated by the stroke. The idea behind flatspin, because of the rising socket topspin generation technique, was to come up with something to substitute for lack racket head speed in comparison to pro style hits. I thought, add more mass, so I reasoned that that ine third of my upper body propelled by my hips, the arm and the racket are even bigger than the ball. Problem: how to transfer all that large mass power to my arm. Solution: keep arm rigid until after impact.
Of course there are those way better. But compared to someone who never practiced MA seriously, I’m quite sure you are good.
who's the target audience for this technique, if you too admit that the pro technique is better?
Ideally you still prep and coil. It is easier to get away with bad prep than on a regular groundstroke, the coil is fairly essential though.
