What masters titles is Nadal missing?

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Yup...just like Federer only needs MC and Rome...though for him that ship has probably sailed...in Nadal's case he has still a couple of years to try and win both of them, though i personally doubt he will...
Federer isn't going to try anymore. He is only playing Madrid.

Nadal will struggle always with Paris Indoors, he has been very unlucky not to have won Miami at least once.
 

duaneeo

Legend
Nadal is missing Miami, Shanghai, and Paris.

Nadal is a five-time Madrid champion...4 won on clay and 1 won on indoor hard. Nadal is NOT a Shanghai Masters champion, and won't be unless he lifts the championship trophy at the Qizhong Forest Sports Center Arena in Shanghai.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Him not winning Miami is one of the really strange anomaly's of this modern age. Just call him Al Gore. It makes no sense.
5 finals made and lost: 2005,2017 to Federer; 2008 to Davydenko; 2011,2014 to Djokovic.
 

timnz

Legend
Miami, Paris and Shanghai.
Well not really Shanghai. Though he hasn't won that tournament, he won the predecessor for that slot - the Madrid Indoor. Masters 1000 events have changed over players' careers. What is important in this count is slots not specific locations. If one doesn't agree with that, then we can't say that Djokovic hasn't won them all, as he never won Hamburg, when it was a masters 1000 - which was during his playing career. Hence, slots are the important thing not specific tournaments.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Well not really Shanghai. Though he hasn't won that tournament, he won the predecessor for that slot - the Madrid Indoor. Masters 1000 events have changed over players' careers. What is important in this count is slots not specific locations. If one doesn't agree with that, then we can't say that Djokovic hasn't won them all, as he never won Hamburg, when it was a masters 1000 - which was during his playing career. Hence, slots are the important thing not specific tournaments.
This.

Historically, he has indeed won 7 of the 9 (Madrid Indoors being the precursor to Shanghai). Of the current Masters events, he is missing 3: Miami, Shanghai and Paris-Bercy.
 

timnz

Legend
This.

Historically, he has indeed won 7 of the 9 (Madrid Indoors being the precursor to Shanghai). Of the current Masters events, he is missing 3: Miami, Shanghai and Paris-Bercy.
Yes. We can't really focus on current events, otherwise it has bad implications. Last year Djokovic completed the set. However, if one of his set dropped off the year he retires and is replaced by a new event - then does he lose the status of 'having all of the Masters 1000's'? No he doesn't or shouldn't. He has won all of the slots.
 
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duaneeo

Legend
If people are only going to look at the "slot" and not the actual tournament, then Federer has won 8 slots:

Slot 1: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2012 2017
Slot 2: 2005, 2006, 2017
Slot 4: 2012
Slot 5: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009
Slot 6: 2004, 2006
Slot 7: 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015
Slot 8: 2006, 2014, 2017
Slot 9: 2011
 

timnz

Legend
If people are only going to look at the "slot" and not the actual tournament, then Federer has won 8 slots:

Slot 1: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2012 2017
Slot 2: 2005, 2006, 2017
Slot 4: 2012
Slot 5: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009
Slot 6: 2004, 2006
Slot 7: 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015
Slot 8: 2006, 2014, 2017
Slot 9: 2011
Indeed.

BTW - I regard Lendl as having won all of the slots too. He completed the set in late 1989.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Yes. We can't really focus on current events, otherwise it has bad implications. Last year Djokovic completed the set. However, if one of his set dropped off the year he retires and is replaced by a new event - then he does he lose the status of 'having all of the Masters 1000's'? No he doesn't or shouldn't. He has won all of the slots.
In this context, I guess it would be more relevant to talk about Masters Slots rather than just Masters themselves. Nadal has won 7 of the 9 Masters Slots.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
He’s missing Miami, Shanghai, and Paris. Technically, he’s not missing Shanghai because Madrid Indoors used to be in that timeslot. He won it against Ljubicic in his (underrated) 2005 season. Granted, it was indoor hard when he played it and not outdoor hard like Shanghai is now but I don’t think it makes too much of a difference. Ljube still woulda choked anyway.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
He’s missing Miami, Shanghai, and Paris. Technically, he’s not missing Shanghai because Madrid Indoors used to be in that timeslot. He won it against Ljubicic in his (underrated) 2005 season. Granted, it was indoor hard when he played it and not outdoor hard like Shanghai is now but I don’t think it makes too much of a difference. Ljube still woulda choked anyway.
As it happens, 2005 Madrid is the only indoor hardcourt title Nadal has ever won (he also won an indoor event on clay).
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Well not really Shanghai. Though he hasn't won that tournament, he won the predecessor for that slot - the Madrid Indoor. Masters 1000 events have changed over players' careers. What is important in this count is slots not specific locations. If one doesn't agree with that, then we can't say that Djokovic hasn't won them all, as he never won Hamburg, when it was a masters 1000 - which was during his playing career. Hence, slots are the important thing not specific tournaments.
I think slots were more important back in the days of Lendl because they changed much more often. I do agree that Nadal won the Shanghai "slot" but if we are being picky, Shanghai has been a Masters tournament for 10 years now. He has had ample time to win it really and not the same as Hamburg being a Masters for only 3 years of Djokovic's career. I still don't think Nadal has to win this one to complete his set though.
 

timnz

Legend
I think slots were more important back in the days of Lendl because they changed much more often. I do agree that Nadal won the Shanghai "slot" but if we are being picky, Shanghai has been a Masters tournament for 10 years now. He has had ample time to win it really and not the same as Hamburg being a Masters for only 3 years of Djokovic's career. I still don't think Nadal has to win this one to complete his set though.
What was the Madrid indoor in 2005 if it can’t be counted as a Masters 1000 achievement for Nadal?
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
I think Nole's record of 9 (Golden Masters) is safe in the foreseeable future of ATP tennis record book! Anything's possible, but I can't see Fedal going out of their way to achieve it along with their current rival who's flying high at #1! :unsure: :cautious: :oops: ;)
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
What was the Madrid indoor in 2005 if it can’t be counted as a Masters 1000 achievement for Nadal?
No it absolutely is a Masters 1000 for him and I think it does count towards his slot. I'm just playing devil's advocate here and saying it has been a Masters for decade now.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
....which is perpetrated on both sides of the political spectrum! The entire South is rusted, corrosed, welded, and melted into a blob of "RED!" Even child molesters and affirmed bigots have Republican ssupporters as long as they have an "R" behind their names! :censored::cautious::oops::(
Quite true. Roy Moore won the Alabama Republican primary after all
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
The fact that people voted for her is the most concerning part lol.
No the most concerning part is the people who voted for Trump and continue to support that clown. A rep being elected from some district that I never go to is nowhere near as detrimental as handing the most powerful position in the world to an idiotic buffoon.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Money in politics is the big issue and it affects both parties. I don't agree with Bernie and that wing of politics on some things but I do like how they refuse to take donations from large moneyed interests and don't want to just keep killing people every day for oil and money like every past administration, red or blue, seems to enjoy doing.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
I was, dare I say, optimistic before he took office but since then it's been awful. Some people have gone rabid with hatred and say he's an agent of Russia etc but the reality is just that he's incompetent and incapable and the American people deserve much, much better. The neoliberal paradigm of war and corporatism with a smile as pushed by the mainstream Democratic party isn't much better though. Bernie and AOC and such seem to offer a real alternative to help the many, rather than the few, guided by principle, even if much of their platform is unrealistic in our current system.
Are Australians usually that much into American politics or is that not common? Not that there is anything wrong with it but if I lived in another country, I would be quite uninterested in seeing much of the swamp that is Capitol Hill, US.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Are Australians usually that much into American politics or is not common? Not that there is anything wrong with it but if I lived in another country, I would be quite uninterested in seeing much of the swamp that is Capitol Hill, US.
I don't think a lot of us care that much. I'm just politically minded and our own politics is so boring I go looking for the blockbuster spectacle that is the American system :D
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Fair enough. All I know is I got what I wanted - a reformed Democratic party. All it took was 4 years of Republicans in office, and what's more is they didn't get too much done anyway.

Either way, we're derailing this thread. We should probably move to a DM or stop.
I guess so but I feel like we have regressed as a nation in the process and are more divided than ever. Yea we have completely sent this train off the tracks. Lol.
 

timnz

Legend
No it absolutely is a Masters 1000 for him and I think it does count towards his slot. I'm just playing devil's advocate here and saying it has been a Masters for decade now.
You'd agree then that if Nadal wins Miami and the Paris indoor and NOT win Shanghai - he should still get the Career Golden Masters (to use the ATP term).
 

timnz

Legend
What if Federer manages to finally win Monte Carlo (I realise that that is unlikely) - does he get the Career Golden Masters? (I know he hasn't won Monte Carlo but he did win another event in that slot).
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
That was more like where one player gets more points than the other player but still loses. In the 2008 Wimbledon final Roger Federer won 1 more point but lost the match. Can happen in tennis as in politics.
Maybe add and the player with less points has the umpire working for him.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
2011 Miami was probably the closest he got to winning one.

Could've been a crucial match for him to win in hindsight, as he would have broken Djokovic's win streak and could've gotten some confidence into the rest of 2011.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
2011 Miami was probably the closest he got to winning one.

Could've been a crucial match for him to win in hindsight, as he would have broken Djokovic's win streak and could've gotten some confidence into the rest of 2011.
Nole has singlehandedly stopped Rafa from overtaking Roger so far in the MAJOR's race after having such a good 2010! That was Nadal's best chance to hold onto the #1 ranking for a significant amount of time, but it was not to be! It was around then I heard some nonsense about Rafa wanting the rankings to encompass 2 seasons instead of 1! Roger put the cobash on it as President of the ATP back then! Nole beat Rafa 6 times that season; all in finals (2 Majors)! To this day, Nole's the only player with 2 "7 match" winning streaks over Rafa! :cautious: :rolleyes: ;)
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Nole has singlehandedly stopped Rafa from overtaking Roger so far in the MAJOR's race after having such a good 2010! That was Nadal's best chance to hold onto the #1 ranking for a significant amount of time, but it was not to be! It was around then I heard some nonsense about Rafa wanting the rankings to encompass 2 seasons instead of 1! Roger put the cobash on it as President of the ATP back then! Nole beat Rafa 6 times that season; all in finals (2 Majors)! To this day, Nole's the only player with 2 "7 match" winning streaks over Rafa! :cautious: :rolleyes: ;)
That’s the thing with tennis. One person can do so well one year then fall off a cliff the next.

Makes you appreciate what Fed’s done over the years, weak era be damned.
 
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