Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by kragster, Jan 20, 2013.
The only dope around here...
proof is that gluten free diet. what is he replacing the gluten with ? I wonder......hummmmm. and why is his butt so purky and round ?
Overhead or not, still No.1 in world.
I doubt fed or djokovic are doing something illegal. However those players whose hair is thinning and falling off are suspicious imo. Some players that this sudden hair loss /thinning is happening to: Nadal, Murray, Gasquet.
All 3 of then are getting male pattern baldness (top of the head), and some really weird looking thin hair. Pay attention to that when cameras are zooming in. It can be a sign of doping.. they are not 45.
I do not see anything on the "outside" for Fed or Djokovic that would suggest steroids.. one can even argue that they are on the skinny side, with no abnormally developed muscles - look at Berdych's and Murray's legs and Nadal's "guns"?
Being an "elegant" mover (very relaxed), allows Federer to be what he is, and nothing tells me that he has some extra strength.
For Novak, it is his overall low body weight (he doesn't have to carry 200 pounds as Murray) that allows him to move fast and stay fresh after 5 hours, and flexibility (doping will not help with being flexible) that allows him to be so successful. There is no doubt that Djokovic is also very fit, but it is not in a way that looks suspicious to me. When he rips his shirt off, he looks like a very fit scrawny guy. What I mean is he doesn't have broad shoulders like Tsonga, nor does he have legs like Berdych, nor arms like Serena / Stosur.
His ability to play 5 hours matches is remarkable, but it is something he sucked at in early days of his career and is most likely what he works most on currently. Coupled with what I mentioned above, doesn't look strange to me at all.
Just my 2 billion cents.
My hair started falling out @ 19. I've never taken anything, but I played tennis! Hmmm....
I'm selling all my sticks and maybe my hair will grow back!
Yes, I have a friend who started losing hair in high school. Doesn't happen that often, no? Also did you lose your hair the same way as Nadal, Murray and Gasquet? It is very similar how they are losing their hair. Normally everyone will lose hair differently, or will you deny that as well.
Did 20% - 30% of your friends also lose hair by mid 20's. Sports are becoming a big joke, and it is more than obvious that there are many cases of wrong doing.
Hair loss, huge muscles can be a give away, that is all I am saying.
Berdych has cankles instead of knees. Serena can beat up 95% of male tennis players, in a street fight. Stosur can bench more than 99% of geeks on this forum.
Sorry, but I hate over generalizations based on speculation...
I do believe Djokovic is doping, but we need proof. He will remain the GOAT until we find out exactly what hes using.
As you said, nothing wrong with it, but what do you want him to do? He will not out grind Nadal or Djokovic these days. Probably never did anyway.
Personally I think Nadal and Djokovic don't attack enough when they have the chance, but there's nothing wrong with that either when you can defend like they can.
Here is why we don't agree. Two squarely different schools of thought. Sadly, yours is the more contemporary one.
3 out of top 10 tennis players are losing hair. They are in mid 20's. Their hair loss symptoms are almost exactly the same. That is not over generalization nor speculation, it is a fact.
Now think about your collage friends and tell me if 30% of them were balding.
Google steroids and thinning hair / balding and read the forums about what people who are taking them to be buff (as they are losers) are saying.
Again, I am not sure if Fed / Novak / others are doing it, but for some guys it showing way to much..
This thread is hilarious because so many people are taking it literally.
Just realized something. Roddick is a good example of someone losing hair normally and naturally. The 3 that I mentioned before are doping.
The baldness thing is a point but some people just go bald early. I've met people who were almost bald in their mid 20s.It happens.
Also Djokovic didn't actually suck at playing 5 hour matches early in his career, that's a popular misconception built on the back of 2 or 3 matches, allof which not particulary long. Djokovic had several long matches like a 5th set tiebreak with Stepenek in New York in 2007, several long Wimbledon matches in 2007 (3 hours, 4 hours and 5 hours in consecutive matches) Even in 2005 he had an epic first round at the US open vs Monfils and another match that year at Wimbledon where he came back from 2 sets down.One of the early criticisms of him was that he made winning matches too hard and he should be more clinical like Federer. People totally forget this now, but Djokovic was seen as a player that too often needed 4 or 5 sets to win. It was mainly Djokovic retiring vs Roddick as defending AO champion that cemented his rep as a weak player who couldn't last a 5th set.But most of his retirements have come fairly early in matches,the ones that went long never had a retirement and Djokovic usually won.
******** and Ferrer are obviously doping, also maybe Berdych Del Potro and Fixarevic. But the biggest doper is the one who hasn't played for months, he is the Armstrong of tennis and needs to be exposed asap :evil:
Eggovic/Bloodovic is obviously doping.
Moscow offered Nadal extraordinary amounts of money, luxurious accommodations, and exotic tours just to show up, year after year. However, legendary player Nadal has a very busy schedule and so many groupies and fans going after him everywhere make it difficult to travel.
I don’t know about witty and eloquent, but what I do know is that I have been a devoted Federer fan for all these years and I want him to come clean after all this time and crime. Nevertheless, if you want us Feder fans to go into conspiracy do deny his crime, I am okay with it. I am such a big fan of Feder I am okay to be silent about his crimes – you can count on me.
RE: Murray balding. Sometimes its just the genes. Mr. Murray.
Jamie has a thuggish quality to him.
Nadal is definitely doping, I think we can all agree on that. As for Djokovic... like someone else already said, you don't go from being the guy with the worst stamina and endurance on the tour to being the guy with the best. "Rookie of the Year" had a more believable metamorphosis than Djokovic.
It's one thing to speculate, it's quite another to accuse without reasonable cause.
Unless tests confirm the existence of illegal drugs in their system, I think the topic should revert back to how they play their games, instead of how they might be "doping".
I'm a player myself, and I know it is possible to play at these guy's level.
It's not about doping, it's all about training, becoming fit, and outlasting your opponents in the long run. Being able to hit quality shots time and again repeatedly throughout the entire match.
Tennis is really more of an exercise in mental discipline rather than bulking up and exerting massive power in a instance.
If you take notice, most of these top players will start out slow especially the deeper they get into the tournament.
Their body needs time to get into the grove and pace of the match, just like a fine sports car needs to properly warm up before performing at its best.
You only dope if you need power in a hurry because you lacked the time and patience for a proper training.
These guys have proper equipment and specialist trainers who design specific regimen to fit these player's needs. That is why their body is able to perform at such high levels throughout the entire season. It's a very disciplined and hard life. Only the devoted and highly focused athletes are able to carry out such torture of an training program.
Look at Pete, everyone knew his lack of physical endurance, yet he won 14 slams. And no, he was never quite as fit as some of his contemporaries.
Andre got fit as a fiddle in the latter stage of his career, but you can clearly see the sign of physical training on his body. Mardy Fish, another example of severe training and thinning down. Don't look like he did much doping to me.
ESPN just did a segment right before the men's final with Tom Rinaldi discussing how Djokovic used to poop out and retire after 2 1/2 hours on court and has somehow transformed himself into an "Ironman" who could go on forever on the court. He said Djokovic told him in an interview after his Berdych match that he could easily play for another 5 hours, and this is AFTER his marathon 5-set match versus Wawrinka!
You just know all the ESPN commentators wanted to bring up the possibility of doping and were all trying their hardest to bite their tongues not to let it slip past their lips on air. I'd bet as soon as the cameras went off and they went to commercial, all they talked about was PEDs and probably compared Djokovic to Lance Armstrong. :shock:
Well said. Nothing that's been offered in his thread is anything other than desperately poor speculation, and no-one in our positions is going to have access to anything that might point prove this either way. Whether they are or not, the level of discussion and debate in this thread is mostly laughable. I'm still struggling to work out which 3 of the top 4 are losing their hair at an unnatural rate lol.
Federer's and Djokovic's fathers have full heads of hair. Murray's dad is bald. So it's in the genes more than anything. I've seen pro wrestlers doing steroids all their lives and many of them have had full heads of hair even into their old age like Triple H, Kevin Nash, etc.
I might be mistaken, but i thought the balding gene is passed down from your mom's side of the family tree?
My mom's hair grayed early. So did mine, my uncle (mom's brother) is half bald, mine is exhibiting the same pattern, just not as advanced yet.
My dad has full head of hair...
There is a reason they call him Lance.
Oh c'mon guys, get over it. Djokovic is no.1, Fedal is gone. Just accept that fact and watch tennis and don't try to dismiss Novak with these allegations. This is insane.
He played 5-setters before 2011, check out his matches at 2007 Wimbledon
I hope you realize my OP was being sarcastic for absolutely the reasons you describe above.
Djokovic has an excellent record in 5 setters (has had since 2005). 75% success careerwise just like Nadal. (which is top 6 in open era). I don't know why people imagine Djoko used to have trouble with 5 setters. He beat Monfils in 5 when he was 18. He's always had a great record in matches that go the distance.
'they' lol. try to guess how many of them, and i'll tell you who are both.
There's more than one. Some of us just don't call him that on this board.
WADA said several years ago that that CVAC machine of Novak's enhances blood oxygen levels (and therefore endurance and recovery) sufficiently that it violates the spirit of the rules.
It's as easy for me to believe someone (multiple someones?) paid them off so it wouldn't be included as a banned process/substance, if it does basically the same thing as PED, as it is for me to believe it wasn't included because … why? It's a process, or a mechanism, as opposed to a chemical?
I mean, really.
ofc there are more than one, i said both.
and you know he is using it how? someone wrote about it? well if it was in the press then it must be true! right?
besides if that 'egg' is deemed legal for whatever reasons and offers the same results as using ped's, then let me ask you this, why in gods name would anyone use illegal ped's and risk their career because of it and not simply use this 'legal' device.
boggles the mind, watching people grasp for straws.
When was the last time Djokovic used the CVAC?
Do YOU know it?
Serbian dull orange juice.
Don't pay attention to the butthurt *********s. They just can't handle the fact that Novak is fitter and mentally tougher than Nadal ever was.
Exactly. I mean double Faulting away 2 consecutive finals on Clay against Nadal (Rome and Roland Garros 2012), is just true sexy masterclass mental toughness.
Wait.. how many times Federer double Faulted against Nadal?
I bet if Federer or anybody else in that matter got that much of bad luck in 2012 like Novak, the outcome would be the same if not worse...
Bad luck? Oh c'mon GTFO. I don't remember anyone else in recent tennis history producing more 'lucky' shots than sexy ass masterclass Djokovic in 2011/2012.
DFing has nothing to do with bad luck.
Oh come on his grandfather died right on start of clay sesion, but ok is my fault to read garbage thread.
This is what I know:
"...it should also be made clear that this was not the reason for Djokovic’s surge over the last year; it’s not a “secret weapon,” as the Journal called it. Uehling told me that Djokovic used it a few times at the Open in 2010, and Djokovic said the same thing when he was asked about it yesterday."
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