What NTRP are these 2 ?

I also agree that guy doesn't seem like a pusher. There are multiple points he comes in off a slice or topspin approach to finish with a volley. The videos only show highlights so can't see how many double faults they commit vs good 1st serves.

But off of just a very small highlight clip (which is highly unrealistic to accurately judge someone's NTRP as we've seen time and time again on this forum), the girl reminds me of younger women in their 20s who compete at the 4.5 level in the Northeast. Again, very hard to tell b/c I don't know her unforced error rate, but she has active feet, all of her strokes looked smooth, and she's young enough to move well compared to most other female players at 4.5 I've seen.

The guy plays her in similar fashion to how pros play against me during private lessons. Simply slicing back my deep balls to their backhand and pushing the envelope on my offensive game, not really trying to go for too much unless I messed up and fed them a short ball, only serves high margin kick serves to start the point off. If he's going 100% and that's just his regular play style then I'd guess he could do well at 4.0 but would not be surprised if OP later mentions he was trolling us with a top 200 junior training with a 5.0+ hitting partner.
 

blablavla

Legend
Don't worry I'm not trolling, cuz I'm the guy on the other side (the pusher) and I'm no 5.0 :)
certainly not pusher.
good variety, top spin, slice, volley, good placement.

yes, the speed on this video is not impressive, but it is as well not too slow. average pace mostly.
but with so much variety and such placement it is as well not a must.
in particularly if you are a recreational player only, meaning you don't try to go to ATP level tournaments.

service.
if this highlight is representative, it looks like you are only going for somewhat slow kick-serves.
but again, good kick, good placement.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
Girl vs pusher/junk baller (?)

Girl's serving points:

Pusher's serving points:
5.0+ for women, he gave her slow rollers and short balls. Banging she did fine.

Younger players are rythmatic, think that was his intentions. She attacked the short ball, not counter against someone who couldnt get it with a drop shot. Good practice session.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
It looks like the guy could do more if he was trying hard to win. However, cannot make a bet he truly can ramp his intensity.
Girl does some good hitting.
Overall very nice hitting from both of you. Your lack of TS backhand stands out though.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Ok, but ntrp sucks so il rate in UTR

Girl:
Great athletic footwork and movement, good strokes and can finish shorter balls well but sometimes the ball lacks pace on non balanced shots and overall game looks good but not great, almost like a lack of mileage.

Guy:
Extremely lazy footwork and movement and very casual swing speed at like 50% but with good placement consistency and variety

Conclusion

Girls footwork is high class but shots and game alltogether not at the level of top junior girls.
So girl must be either a junior tennis player but either younger around 13-15 or if shes older like 16+ shes not a serious junior that trains daily for 3-4 hours.
Or she trained/trains another sport seriously and plays tennis as a 2nd one.

My guess is UTR7~


Guy has good control of shots and volleys has good variety and placement and overall game looks better more mature than girls.
But footwork is extremely poor of that of a 80year old and swing speed at like 50%.
Stroke technique looks good too.

So two options, either he must have had some coaching or developed his strokes with other methods like youtube etc seriously, but doesnt look like he ever developed footwork and also never seriously played other sports at a high level for the footwork to be so lacking. And this swing speed is his limit of having good control and placement of shots.

In that case he looks UTR 7~

Or second option, he has great footwork and good control at much higher swing speeds but is casually playing down to the girls level, which happens alot with coaches or other juniors when they teach lower level players and move so casual and slow and have a controlled swing speed.

In which case he could be UTR 8~11

So @BetaServe how close am I
 

BetaServe

Professional
Girl's a 14 year old junior tennis player and she just won a tournament recently. I think her NTPR is at least 4.5.

Regarding my lazy footwork and my casual play style, I like Tomic, Kyrgios and Fognini so that explains why haha I know it might sound strange but being "lazy" with the feet helps me focus more on executing shots.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Girl's a 14 year old junior tennis player and she just won a tournament recently. I think her NTPR is at least 4.5.

Regarding my lazy footwork and my casual play style, I like Tomic, Kyrgios and Fognini so that explains why haha I know it might sound strange but being "lazy" with the feet helps me focus more on executing shots.
So basically considering her age shes around UTR 6-8 depending on how good of a junior she is, average being UTR7.

And shes 14 years old, and a junior.

So basically im amazing :cool:
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Girl's a 14 year old junior tennis player and she just won a tournament recently. I think her NTPR is at least 4.5.

Regarding my lazy footwork and my casual play style, I like Tomic, Kyrgios and Fognini so that explains why haha I know it might sound strange but being "lazy" with the feet helps me focus more on executing shots.
Tomic,Kyrgios, and Fognini can afford to look lazy because they are all very talented, with best training from young age. Put a 4.0 that can run in front of you, see if you can still be lazy to focus on executing shots :).
 

dimkin

Hall of Fame
Girl vs pusher/junk baller (me)

Girl's serving points:

Pusher's serving points:
Girl: F4.5-5.0 Very Solid, maybe lacking pace, but great movement
Pusher: Seems not a pusher at all ... but tough to say ... clearly M4.5+ maybe a M5.0-5.5 but playing down / fkcing around... VERY precise junk balling.
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
Girl vs pusher/junk baller (me)

Girl's serving points:

Pusher's serving points:

The girl hasn't a clue what to do with a short ball; she hits it cross-court with top-spin, and loses the point to well-placed lobs. She seems deathly afraid of the net, cannot hit an overhead, and uses a two-handed backhand. Whoever taught her is a criminal!
 
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Saul Goode

Semi-Pro
The girl hasn't a clue what to do with a short ball; she hits it cross-court with top-spin, and loses the point to well-placed lobs. She seems deathly afraid of the net, cannot hit an overhead, and uses a two-handed backhand. Whoever taught her is a criminal!
Said the old crank
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru

FiReFTW

Legend
Everyone’s rating always gets hacked down 2-3 levels on the board because those offering the stingy ratings most likely have never seen a video of themselves playing so they operate in the realm of “I’m so great on my mind’s eye.”
Ive seen alot of video of my play and also im nowhere near 5.0 why would I hack down the ratings because of that? That doesn't make sense to me.

Top 100 Junior girls are 10-11UTR and competitive with average male 5.0s.

J
Yes I said they are competitive with male 5.0s, here in my parts the top 18s junior girls are not that good generally as in the US, small country and not alot of girls thats why, usually they are spanning from UTR7-UTR9 with maybe a UTR10 thrown it, but thats an outliner.

Thats why I rather went to this site and took those UTR9-10 ratings from here since it shows the US girls where its alot bigger pool of players:


Then I went to freshmen girls and opened up a few profiles and these top100 seem to go from UTR9-10 with a few UTR11s also in the top

But if im not mistaken freshmen girls are 19yo arent they? or 20? Thats why I said the 18s are probably UTR9-10

Im not saying im right I actually have no clue, thats why I went to check, but thats just what my foundings were from this, and this is where I got that rating from
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Ive seen alot of video of my play and also im nowhere near 5.0 why would I hack down the ratings because of that? That doesn't make sense to me.



Yes I said they are competitive with male 5.0s, here in my parts the top 18s junior girls are not that good generally as in the US, small country and not alot of girls thats why, usually they are spanning from UTR7-UTR9 with maybe a UTR10 thrown it, but thats an outliner.

Thats why I rather went to this site and took those UTR9-10 ratings from here since it shows the US girls where its alot bigger pool of players:


Then I went to freshmen girls and opened up a few profiles and these top100 seem to go from UTR9-10 with a few UTR11s also in the top

But if im not mistaken freshmen girls are 19yo arent they? or 20? Thats why I said the 18s are probably UTR9-10

Im not saying im right I actually have no clue, thats why I went to check, but thats just what my foundings were from this, and this is where I got that rating from
Freshman girls are 14.

J
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
Posting actual points... that's helpful. Just my guess, but...

I'm guessing the guy is a (male) middling 4.5 and the girl is a (female) low 5.0 (so, subtract 0.5 on the male scale). She has great footwork and groundstrokes, and a pretty good serve, but not much net game or touch.

It's video, so I could be wrong.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
That makes even less sense to me then, how are these 14yo girls UTR11

And when you go to seniors they are also UTR11 tops, maybe an outliner UTR12 somewhere

Extremely confused
Coco Gauff is 13UTR at age 15, what are you confused about?

J
 

BetaServe

Professional
Question: assume there are different ways to play her but there’s only one or two specific ways I can play to beat her. If I play her in other ways I’d lose to her very easily. So, is she still considered a 5.0? (Assuming I’m a 4.0)

I played in total 5 matches against her. First two matches she beat me pretty badly like any 5.0 would beat a 4.0 but then I won the next 3 because I found holes in her game and I kept exploiting them by playing certain specific shots. She didn’t even realize and adjust so she kept losing in those specific scenarios, partly because I mixed my shots to make it less obvious that I was trying to play those shots/patterns on important points.
One pattern would be to make her come to the net using low shots (preferably slice) then lob her since she’s not very tall and her smash isn’t that good (and I have a pretty good lob) and also I can almost always guess where she’s hitting her approach shot. Another pattern is I play a slice down the middle to her backhand, she has a tendency to slice it back so I just need to come to the net and volley it away. I also won most of the points using dropshots, I like to use it while she’s recovering back to the middle (after hitting a running FH/BH)
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Stuff like this is frustrating...

J
And what exactly is frustrating about someone not knowing something since he never checked it but then checking it out on a webpage and assuming he now has the facts about that???

I was wrong because I thought those freshmen girls are 19 or so, but at the time i cheked it out I assumed that they are 19 which made me confident about the ratings.

I think im just gonna leave this forum, ive already been close to doing it in the past weeks but now seriously, this has to be the most toxic forum ever.

People just randomly poking and making fun out of people for no reason, attacking others for no reason, making fun of someones video or strokes yet offering no input, quoting ttps posts and laughing at them and making fun of them after he clearly blocked those people so whats the point of that even if the post is ridicilous, people who actually make genuine advice and observations on someones video all offering completely contradicting advice and input..

Theres really no point to even be here anymore, ive only stuck around because I learned at least a few things now and enjoy offering my advice and help to others, but even that gets p*ssed on and made fun of, so p*ss off ttw forum.
 

BetaServe

Professional
And what exactly is frustrating about someone not knowing something since he never checked it but then checking it out on a webpage and assuming he now has the facts about that???

I was wrong because I thought those freshmen girls are 19 or so, but at the time i cheked it out I assumed that they are 19 which made me confident about the ratings.

I think im just gonna leave this forum, ive already been close to doing it in the past weeks but now seriously, this has to be the most toxic forum ever.

People just randomly poking and making fun out of people for no reason, attacking others for no reason, making fun of someones video or strokes yet offering no input, quoting ttps posts and laughing at them and making fun of them after he clearly blocked those people so whats the point of that even if the post is ridicilous, people who actually make genuine advice and observations on someones video all offering completely contradicting advice and input..

Theres really no point to even be here anymore, ive only stuck around because I learned at least a few things now and enjoy offering my advice and help to others, but even that gets p*ssed on and made fun of, so p*ss off ttw forum.
Relax man.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Ive seen alot of video of my play and also im nowhere near 5.0 why would I hack down the ratings because of that? That doesn't make sense to me.
Not everything is about you. In fact, you are on my ignore list so I never saw your post.
Everyone’s rating always gets hacked down 2-3 levels on the board because those offering the stingy ratings most likely have never seen a video of themselves playing so they operate in the realm of “I’m so great on my mind’s eye.”
Are you one of those offering stingy ratings? Or are you confused again?
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
TT definitely has some great tennis eyes. I remember someone posted a video of himself playing, great serve great footwork, very awesome forehand. He even mentioned he played in 5.0 tournaments and stuff. And he got TT rated low 4.5. Now @BetaServe posted his own video. His style definitely looks lazy and junky ( no offense, i don't mean its easy to play against). And he got TT rated 4.5 or 5.0. What is going on people? :-D
 
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Chadalina

Guest
And what exactly is frustrating about someone not knowing something since he never checked it but then checking it out on a webpage and assuming he now has the facts about that???

I was wrong because I thought those freshmen girls are 19 or so, but at the time i cheked it out I assumed that they are 19 which made me confident about the ratings.

I think im just gonna leave this forum, ive already been close to doing it in the past weeks but now seriously, this has to be the most toxic forum ever.

People just randomly poking and making fun out of people for no reason, attacking others for no reason, making fun of someones video or strokes yet offering no input, quoting ttps posts and laughing at them and making fun of them after he clearly blocked those people so whats the point of that even if the post is ridicilous, people who actually make genuine advice and observations on someones video all offering completely contradicting advice and input..

Theres really no point to even be here anymore, ive only stuck around because I learned at least a few things now and enjoy offering my advice and help to others, but even that gets p*ssed on and made fun of, so p*ss off ttw forum.
Alot of people here need validation as players and instructors.
 
And what exactly is frustrating about someone not knowing something since he never checked it but then checking it out on a webpage and assuming he now has the facts about that???

I was wrong because I thought those freshmen girls are 19 or so, but at the time i cheked it out I assumed that they are 19 which made me confident about the ratings.

I think im just gonna leave this forum, ive already been close to doing it in the past weeks but now seriously, this has to be the most toxic forum ever.

People just randomly poking and making fun out of people for no reason, attacking others for no reason, making fun of someones video or strokes yet offering no input, quoting ttps posts and laughing at them and making fun of them after he clearly blocked those people so whats the point of that even if the post is ridicilous, people who actually make genuine advice and observations on someones video all offering completely contradicting advice and input..

Theres really no point to even be here anymore, ive only stuck around because I learned at least a few things now and enjoy offering my advice and help to others, but even that gets p*ssed on and made fun of, so p*ss off ttw forum.
You just have to be able to filter out the toxins: a few post mostly crap, a few mostly insight, and the rest are in between. Determining which is which and who is whom is a personal thing.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
And what exactly is frustrating about someone not knowing something since he never checked it but then checking it out on a webpage and assuming he now has the facts about that???

I was wrong because I thought those freshmen girls are 19 or so, but at the time i cheked it out I assumed that they are 19 which made me confident about the ratings.

I think im just gonna leave this forum, ive already been close to doing it in the past weeks but now seriously, this has to be the most toxic forum ever.

People just randomly poking and making fun out of people for no reason, attacking others for no reason, making fun of someones video or strokes yet offering no input, quoting ttps posts and laughing at them and making fun of them after he clearly blocked those people so whats the point of that even if the post is ridicilous, people who actually make genuine advice and observations on someones video all offering completely contradicting advice and input..

Theres really no point to even be here anymore, ive only stuck around because I learned at least a few things now and enjoy offering my advice and help to others, but even that gets p*ssed on and made fun of, so p*ss off ttw forum.
Because you say something like it's a fact then two posts later say you actually have no idea.

Why would you make that original post?

J
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
My take: the guy is 4.5. The girl is apparently a Junior and doesn’t really belong on the NTRP scale. But if she were, she would be 4.5+. I belong to a large club with a dozen or so 4.5C females and I think the girl in the video looks better than most of them. We have a few that probably hit harder but flat. Only a couple could generate that much topspin and deal as well with incoming kick serves and slices. Most ladies club players, even at 4.5 level, don’t play with a lot of spin.
 

Wise one

Hall of Fame
Question: assume there are different ways to play her but there’s only one or two specific ways I can play to beat her. If I play her in other ways I’d lose to her very easily. So, is she still considered a 5.0? (Assuming I’m a 4.0)

I played in total 5 matches against her. First two matches she beat me pretty badly like any 5.0 would beat a 4.0 but then I won the next 3 because I found holes in her game and I kept exploiting them by playing certain specific shots. She didn’t even realize and adjust so she kept losing in those specific scenarios, partly because I mixed my shots to make it less obvious that I was trying to play those shots/patterns on important points.
One pattern would be to make her come to the net using low shots (preferably slice) then lob her since she’s not very tall and her smash isn’t that good (and I have a pretty good lob) and also I can almost always guess where she’s hitting her approach shot. Another pattern is I play a slice down the middle to her backhand, she has a tendency to slice it back so I just need to come to the net and volley it away. I also won most of the points using dropshots, I like to use it while she’s recovering back to the middle (after hitting a running FH/BH)
This fits my criticisms of her game.
 

FedGR

Professional
Even though edited clips can be deceiving, this is very high level tennis. I would say both are around 5.0.

OP, you claim to not be 5.0 but I bet that in 4.5 you would win much more than you would lose. (y)(y)
 
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