What NTRP level is this kid? 1st singles, undefeated for 5 years in varsity tennis.

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5.0.
It'd be nice to see him play some top-flight competition, though.

We have a match tomorrow. I will try to film him with my laptop. However, I play second singles and we play at the same time. I'm not sure if I will be able to do that, lol.
 
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He was rank 2 on Long Island for quite some time in the past, behind Zach Morris. Not sure where his ranking lays now.
 
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dont see him beating some top ny juniors though.. is he ranked top 100 nationally?

Nationally? I don't believe so. If you have questions, leave them here and I'll ask them to him tomorrow afternoon.
 

dozu

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I'd guess 5.0.

Hunter - here is another evidence that you don't know what you are looking at.. I have played vs. a couple of senior year 2 stars and basically go 50% on the win/loss.... and you gave me an honorable 4.0

and this kid, 1 star, is worth 5.0

although I can't blame you much... recruiting videos are usually edited and misleading... yes forms are good, but what happens when he faces heavy pace/spin? what happens when pressure is on in matches?

going 0-6 against 2 stars, tells me that under the hood, there are some pretty big holes in the game.
 

HunterST

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Hunter - here is another evidence that you don't know what you are looking at.. I have played vs. a couple of senior year 2 stars and basically go 50% on the win/loss.... and you gave me an honorable 4.0

and this kid, 1 star, is worth 5.0

although I can't blame you much... recruiting videos are usually edited and misleading... yes forms are good, but what happens when he faces heavy pace/spin? what happens when pressure is on in matches?

going 0-6 against 2 stars, tells me that under the hood, there are some pretty big holes in the game.

As any college player or coach would tell you, star ratings are not a predictor of NTRP. I know a kid who was a one star rating. I don't believe he ever beat a two star. However, he went on to play in college. He recently played a match against the top DII player in the country and put up a competitive scorline, something no 4.0 or 4.5 player could do.
 

dozu

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As any college player or coach would tell you, star ratings are not a predictor of NTRP. I know a kid who was a one star rating. I don't believe he ever beat a two star. However, he went on to play in college. He recently played a match against the top DII player in the country and put up a competitive scorline, something no 4.0 or 4.5 player could do.

that's a cop out argument.

tennis skill is tennis skill, win/loss is win/loss...... it's like measuring in metric vs. standard systems.

of course there are exceptions (the "I know a kid" arguments, which shows your lack of understanding of statistics and probability), but if the sample sizes are large enough, there are certainly strong correlation, between star ratings, and what these star players would do, in NTRP tournaments.

by the way, similar 'I know a kid" arguments came up before, but when I ask for names on the TRN, all I got was "will have to get back to you", or "my records got deleted on the TRN".

too much empty talk in this place ( not referring to you Hunter), nobody is good on a video poll, an escrow, or even giving legit names on TRN (which is public information)... all we've got are edited WWF type stuff.
 
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HunterST

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that's a cop out argument.

tennis skill is tennis skill, win/loss is win/loss...... it's like measuring in metric vs. standard systems.

of course there are exceptions (the "I know a kid" arguments, which shows your lack of understanding of statistics and probability), but if the sample sizes are large enough, there are certainly strong correlation, between star ratings, and what these star players would do, in NTRP tournaments.

by the way, similar 'I know a kid" arguments came up before, but when I ask for names on the TRN, all I got was "will have to get back to you", or "my records got deleted on the TRN".

wait wait wait, let me get this straight. You're pulling out the "you don't understand statistics" argument when all of your reasons for believing your level is so high completely show no concern for achieving an adequate sample size. You say you're way above 4.0 because you've played with some guys who are rated. You know a couple of kids who are rated on a website, so you think you know all about it.

You're a 4.0. Get over it. If you want to prove me wrong, go play in a 4.5 tournament. Don't use the "I know a guy who's a 4.0" argument one me. :)

Honestly, though, the threads not about you.
 
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dozu

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wait wait wait, let me get this straight. You're pulling out the "you don't understand statistic argument" when your entire argument for your level of play completely ignores adequate sample sizes. You say you're way above 4.0 because you've played with some guys who are rated. You know a couple of kids who are rated on a website, so you think you know all about it.

You're a 4.0. Get over it. If you want to prove me wrong, go play in a 4.5 tournament. Don't use the "I know a guy who's a 4.0" argument one me. :)

Honestly, though, the threads not about you.

you didn't read correctly... I say 'a couple of 2 stars', but that's over a big sample size of matches played..... the magic number in sample size is about 30. I admit I am short of that, sample size in # of rated players is about 6, but # of matches played are in the hundreds, if not thousands.

there is nothing to get over... the point is, Hunter, you don't know enough to rate others (yes yes, it's the internet, anybody can say anything)... therefore your rating of me has no value.

no, the thread is not about me... I am just back on my thread-ruining mission after a few days of rest.
 

HunterST

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you didn't read correctly... I say 'a couple of 2 stars', but that's over a big sample size of matches played..... the magic number in sample size is about 30. I admit I am short of that, sample size in # of rated players is about 6, but # of matches played are in the hundreds, if not thousands.

there is nothing to get over... the point is, Hunter, you don't know enough to rate others (yes yes, it's the internet, anybody can say anything)... therefore your rating of me has no value.

no, the thread is not about me... I am just back on my thread-ruining mission after a few days of rest.

And you do know enough? What are your credentials? Have you ever even played a competitive match? I know just as much about tennis as you, I'm just not a narcissist.

Play a 4.5 tournament or GTFO.
 

HunterST

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seems your memory is fading too fast.... you don't remember how it went down just a few weeks ago?

go read the old posts/threads.... the burden of proof is not on me Hunter.

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Burden of proof is always on the affirmative side.
 

HunterST

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hm - I see improvement... you are no longer tight as a drum.

Just sayin man, I think you're a 4.0. I bet a lot of people would agree. You think you're higher than that and that's fine. However, there's no reason to try to start an argument about it. If my opinion is as wrong as you say it is, it shouldn't matter to you.

If you play a 4.5 tourney and win some matches I will happily admit that I was wrong.
 

dozu

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If you play a 4.5 tourney and win some matches I will happily admit that I was wrong.

let me see - spending bunch of time and gas money, just to make Hunter admit he's wrong... nah, I will pass.

will reconsider if there are better incentives (hint - read past threads).
 

HunterST

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let me see - spending bunch of time and gas money, just to make Hunter admit he's wrong... nah, I will pass.

will reconsider if there are better incentives (hint - read past threads).

That's absolutely your prerogative. What I'm saying is, if you're not going to do it, don't go around trying to argue with me about it when I haven't even mentioned your playing level in months.
 

dozu

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That's absolutely your prerogative. What I'm saying is, if you're not going to do it, don't go around trying to argue with me about it when I haven't even mentioned your playing level in months.

I go where I want, Hunter.
 

Devilito

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let me see - spending bunch of time and gas money, just to make Hunter admit he's wrong... nah, I will pass.

will reconsider if there are better incentives (hint - read past threads).

people were saying i was 4.0 and Tony Larson was 4.5. I tend not to pay attention to those that would probably get rick rolled in the type of tournaments I play. Guess that 5.0 from Hawaii would take me to school. You can pretty much tell how good someone is by the quality of ball they hit. Not every video is going to be about someone going %100. Even pros can look lackadaisical and *not as good* when they’re just rallying back and forth trying for a relaxed warm up or just messing around.
 

ci2ca

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people were saying i was 4.0 and Tony Larson was 4.5. I tend not to pay attention to those that would probably get rick rolled in the type of tournaments I play. Guess that 5.0 from Hawaii would take me to school. You can pretty much tell how good someone is by the quality of ball they hit. Not every video is going to be about someone going %100. Even pros can look lackadaisical and *not as good* when they’re just rallying back and forth trying for a relaxed warm up or just messing around.

Your videos are sped up.
 

HunterST

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people were saying i was 4.0 and Tony Larson was 4.5. I tend not to pay attention to those that would probably get rick rolled in the type of tournaments I play. Guess that 5.0 from Hawaii would take me to school. You can pretty much tell how good someone is by the quality of ball they hit. Not every video is going to be about someone going %100. Even pros can look lackadaisical and *not as good* when they’re just rallying back and forth trying for a relaxed warm up or just messing around.

I just really have to question how much people know about the rankings when they post things like this. Your attitude is like 4.0 is some terribly low level and it was a great insult to call you a 4.0. In actuality, it's a very good level of play. Lets not forget, 3.5 and 4.0 are by far the largest USTA groups, so the odds are most people WILL fall somewhere within the two. I believe they say 4.5 and above make up around than 1% of the tennis playing population.

I haven't seen you play, so I have no idea what your level is. However, I know that the people who feel most insulted by being told they're a 4.0 (Dozu an example) are usually the ones with the least experience with the system.
 

dozu

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I just really have to question how much people know about the rankings when they post things like this. Your attitude is like 4.0 is some terribly low level and it was a great insult to call you a 4.0. In actuality, it's a very good level of play. Lets not forget, 3.5 and 4.0 are by far the largest USTA groups, so the odds are most people WILL fall somewhere within the two. I believe they say 4.5 and above make up around than 1% of the tennis playing population.

I haven't seen you play, so I have no idea what your level is. However, I know that the people who feel most insulted by being told they're a 4.0 (Dozu an example) are usually the ones with the least experience with the system.

as if you are "familiar" with the system.

yours is another version of 'you don't know what you don't know'.... you are a 3.0, therefore you can't tell the depth control, direction control, stroke fluidity (hence the unlikelihood of break-downs), footwork pattern differences from 4.0 and up

all you have to go with is what looks more like the tennis you see on TV.
 
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hollywood9826

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Hard to tell from practice videos. You really have to see the kid in action against other good players.

To me to say someone is 5.0 they usally have a shot that can used as a weapon. From these videos I do not see such a shot. I just see a very solid player with no glaring weakness. But from the video and the players I know in the 4.0-4.5 range he is probably right in that area as well.
 

zapvor

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yea the main issue with the video is that he is getting fed very easy balls. so it doenst really show anything. some match play would be a better indicator
 

alb1

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This video is not any help in determining a competitive NTRP rating. Based on others comments on the 1 star rating and knowing some recent 1 stars here locally, some who play in the USTA league I would put him at 4.0-4.5 range.
 

goran_ace

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dont see him beating some top ny juniors though.. is he ranked top 100 nationally?

Not even top 100 in his section; ranked #120 in Eastern B16s. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player, but that's a far cry from top 100 nationally in B18s.

Don't get me started on why NTRPs don't matter, but he would probably have a winning record in 4.0 and could hang in there in a 4.5 men's league.
 

J_R_B

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Just sayin man, I think you're a 4.0. I bet a lot of people would agree. You think you're higher than that and that's fine. However, there's no reason to try to start an argument about it. If my opinion is as wrong as you say it is, it shouldn't matter to you.

If you play a 4.5 tourney and win some matches I will happily admit that I was wrong.

Dozu is higher than 4.0. I have hit with him and played competitive sets against him several times, so I am in the best position to judge.

How much higher is hard for me to tell. He is at least 4.5. To be a 5.0, you really need to either hit with a lot of pace or be able to handle a lot of pace. Dozu does not hit with a lot of pace himself, and I cannot give him 5.0 level pace to see if he can handle it or not.

Also, I would guess this kid is a 4.5.
 

HunterST

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as if you are "familiar" with the system.

yours is another version of 'you don't know what you don't know'.... you are a 3.0, therefore you can't tell the depth control, direction control, stroke fluidity (hence the unlikelihood of break-downs), footwork pattern differences from 4.0 and up

all you have to go with is what looks more like the tennis you see on TV.

Haha, you don't know anything about me, my playing level, or my experience. I've played in USTA tournaments. Have you? You say I'm not qualified to judge people, yet you feel you can do it without any knowledge of their ability at all. Your arrogance is comical.

You can fight with me all you want that you are a very high level player. The fact of the matter is, until you really play, you're just guessing.
 

dozu

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Haha, you don't know anything about me, my playing level, or my experience. I've played in USTA tournaments.

ok - some links pls... and like I said, if you are 3.0-3.5 you can't tell the difference of the levels above you.

now, don't give me another one of those "let me get back to you", or 'my records were deleted".
 
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