topseed
Rookie
What NTRP rating do you think is this player? thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfQOtbEudo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfQOtbEudo&feature=related
What NTRP rating is this player?
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Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
5.0 +
good looking player..
good looking player..
tennis_tater
Semi-Pro
Kind of hard to tell without seeing where his balls land, but he looks like a 5.5 - 6.0 NTRP player to me.
TennisProdigy
Professional
Lazy footwork, doesn't use his lower body to load up on his bh, doesn't watch the ball at contact, can't maintain a rally, hes a 3.5+ at best.
Can't think of a name
Rookie
a 3.5 on TT. Probably 5.5 - 6.0 anywhere else..
Just LOL. So if you watched a video of Federer and a video of a 3.5, in both cases not being able to see one half of court, you wouldn't be able to gauge the level?
tennis_tater
Semi-Pro
I would know they aren't comparable. But as far as the 3.5, his strokes probably don't look good and aren't fluid. Maybe he is a 2.5, 3.0, or 3.5, and where the balls are landing, or how close to the baseline they are landing would help me determine whether to assign him a2.5, 3.0, or 3.5 rating.
On the ohter hand, if I saw a video of Federer, just not knowing who he was, I would know the guy is top lined player or pro, but if you gave me a youtube clip of a 6.5 with groundstroke shots only and a clip of a 7.0 player with groundstroke clips only, no, I probably won't be able to tell the difference from the video itself.
JRstriker12
Hall of Fame
LOL! I assume 3.5+ means he could be any where between 3.5-7.0???
No 3.5 has a full stroke like that. His other videos show him in tournament play and you can tell he's a pretty advance player.
Anyway, I think beernutz's post answers the question.
Plus, he's listed on the ATP site: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ar/J/Johnny-Arcilla.aspx
JRstriker12
Hall of Fame
Quoted for truth.
The dude plays Davis Cup for his country. I know Phillipines is not a huge tennis nation but I'd assume they can produce better than a 3.5 to represent them in DC.
That's awesome that someone called this guy a 3.5 and he plays DC for his country
Don't know what NTRP he is, but this guy can clearly hit.
Fugazi
Professional
I'd say around 5.5 (closer to 6.0 than 5.0). The footwork isn't very good, but it's just practice. The technique on his groundies seems efficient, but not quite 6.0-6.5 level IMO. He does handle deep balls very well and has very good racquet head speed when needed.
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tennis tom
Legend
If you were planning on making a living as a USTA rater, don't quit your day job.
dennis10is
Banned
So the kid plays Davis Cup, this doesn't count because it is not USTA sanctioned league matches.
Maybe he can handle the pressure of Davis Cup but he hasn't felt the pressure of USTA league so most likely his decent looking strokes would most liikely crumble.
I suggest that he sign up for Men's 3.0 and earn his licks. Maybe after a few years, he'll get some wins and if he spends enough blood, sweat and tears he'll move up to 3.5.
Maybe he can handle the pressure of Davis Cup but he hasn't felt the pressure of USTA league so most likely his decent looking strokes would most liikely crumble.
I suggest that he sign up for Men's 3.0 and earn his licks. Maybe after a few years, he'll get some wins and if he spends enough blood, sweat and tears he'll move up to 3.5.
tennis tom
Legend
Fifth Set
Professional
My goodness I hope you're kidding.
Anyway, what surface do you guys think that is?
goober
Legend
Well he has ATP ranking of 1288 in 2010 so by definition 6.5 at that time. Is this suppose to be a troll attempt? Usually that works best when we don't know the person who is on the video so we can't look him up-lol.
topseed
Rookie
My guess its a shell/clay court surface.
topseed
Rookie
I just want to get the opinion of the members. I want to make sure if I my interpretations of a ntrp 5 is correct. Footwork, stroke, etc are being noticed from the player.
Like right now, if his name is not indicated, do you think the rating/comment of the others will change? if the guys name is not in the atp list, will their opinion be lower?
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goober
Legend
NTRP are based on results not how you look when you are hitting the ball. It is really meant for recreational players in the USTA. Outside of this context it doesn't have much meaning other than giving people some fodder to argue about.
sundaypunch
Hall of Fame
A good example of this is the "worst backhand for a top 20 team" thread in the college tennis section. I doubt that anyone would properly rank Greg Hirshman based on a few minutes of video.
Setmatch45
Rookie
4.5 + maybe 5.0 how is he at net? can he serve??
dennis10is
Banned
ATP points are over inflated. Again, there is very little pressure to perform when you are getting paid to play tennis. It is a big difference to shell out your own hard earn cash just for the privilege of playing USTA tournaments and leagues. Spending your money with the hopes to earning enough bragging rights at the office water coolers is much more demanding psychologically. This is where you separate the dilettantes, touring Pros, from the true tennis warriors, the USTA league members.
Maybe in the 70's, 80's or early 90's when a Sponsor's Exemption or Wild Card to a good local player still got him a ATP point for getting drummed in the first round. There are no free points on the tour anymore unless you win a match. Very hard to do by almost any tennis players standards. Ask some of the best amateurs you've seen that have tried the Futures tour and either achieved only 1 or 2 points or tried and never got any. Typical pros who earn their first point have to win 3-4 matches in qualifying and then win their first round main draw match.
goober
Legend
That's awesome that someone called this guy a 3.5 and he plays DC for his country
Don't know what NTRP he is, but this guy can clearly hit.
Well there was a computer rated 4.0 that played for a southern section team that played 4.0 nationals who played college tennis and DC for kenya. According to some people he was only 3rd best player on the team and did not deserve a quadruple bump to 6.0...
dennis10is
Banned
I understand that you have to win matches to get ATP points these days but all you have to do is beat other folks who have not spent countless amount of blood, sweat, and tears honing their game and toughening their mental edge to a single atom sharpness in the USTA Adult Leagues.
A Davis Cup away tie is nothing comnpared to a Men's 3.0 away League match. You just have to experience it to believe it. I don't know what other activity one could do that would be almost that tough as USTA League, maybe charging a machine gun nest in WWI or a Marine amphib landing in WW2.
I don't know how it is in other sections but Long Island Leagues are brutal. So many of my friends have lost their job, their family, their friends due to the PTSD caused by league play that they are now homeless, roaming the public courts.
We should have a national Veterans Organization for USTA League Veterans to help them deal with the physical and psychological damage caused by league participation.
Gotcha. Southern's here are pretty tough. Sounds a lot like Long Island. He would be around a 3.0 in this area.
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
What do you think of these guys, These are some local guys from my club in Long Island. My buddy runs a little 'tennis party' on weekends, and This is a link from before one of the parties, filmed from between a curtain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyUejxrulo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyUejxrulo
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