What NTRP rating is this player?

TennisProdigy

Professional
Lazy footwork, doesn't use his lower body to load up on his bh, doesn't watch the ball at contact, can't maintain a rally, hes a 3.5+ at best.
 

tennis_tater

Semi-Pro
Just LOL. So if you watched a video of Federer and a video of a 3.5, in both cases not being able to see one half of court, you wouldn't be able to gauge the level?

I would know they aren't comparable. But as far as the 3.5, his strokes probably don't look good and aren't fluid. Maybe he is a 2.5, 3.0, or 3.5, and where the balls are landing, or how close to the baseline they are landing would help me determine whether to assign him a2.5, 3.0, or 3.5 rating.

On the ohter hand, if I saw a video of Federer, just not knowing who he was, I would know the guy is top lined player or pro, but if you gave me a youtube clip of a 6.5 with groundstroke shots only and a clip of a 7.0 player with groundstroke clips only, no, I probably won't be able to tell the difference from the video itself.
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
Lazy footwork, doesn't use his lower body to load up on his bh, doesn't watch the ball at contact, can't maintain a rally, hes a 3.5+ at best.

LOL! I assume 3.5+ means he could be any where between 3.5-7.0???

No 3.5 has a full stroke like that. His other videos show him in tournament play and you can tell he's a pretty advance player.

Anyway, I think beernutz's post answers the question.

Plus, he's listed on the ATP site: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ar/J/Johnny-Arcilla.aspx
 

jms007

Professional
Lazy footwork, doesn't use his lower body to load up on his bh, doesn't watch the ball at contact, can't maintain a rally, hes a 3.5+ at best.

The dude plays Davis Cup for his country. I know Phillipines is not a huge tennis nation but I'd assume they can produce better than a 3.5 to represent them in DC.
 

Hominator

Hall of Fame
The dude plays Davis Cup for his country. I know Phillipines is not a huge tennis nation but I'd assume they can produce better than a 3.5 to represent them in DC.

That's awesome that someone called this guy a 3.5 and he plays DC for his country :)

Don't know what NTRP he is, but this guy can clearly hit.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
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So the kid plays Davis Cup, this doesn't count because it is not USTA sanctioned league matches.

Maybe he can handle the pressure of Davis Cup but he hasn't felt the pressure of USTA league so most likely his decent looking strokes would most liikely crumble.

I suggest that he sign up for Men's 3.0 and earn his licks. Maybe after a few years, he'll get some wins and if he spends enough blood, sweat and tears he'll move up to 3.5.
 
So the kid plays Davis Cup, this doesn't count because it is not USTA sanctioned league matches.

Maybe he can handle the pressure of Davis Cup but he hasn't felt the pressure of USTA league so most likely his decent looking strokes would most liikely crumble.

I suggest that he sign up for Men's 3.0 and earn his licks. Maybe after a few years, he'll get some wins and if he spends enough blood, sweat and tears he'll move up to 3.5.


That's funny!
 

topseed

Rookie
Well he has ATP ranking of 1288 in 2010 so by definition 6.5 at that time. Is this suppose to be a troll attempt? Usually that works best when we don't know the person who is on the video so we can't look him up-lol.

I just want to get the opinion of the members. I want to make sure if I my interpretations of a ntrp 5 is correct. Footwork, stroke, etc are being noticed from the player.

Like right now, if his name is not indicated, do you think the rating/comment of the others will change? if the guys name is not in the atp list, will their opinion be lower?
 
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goober

Legend
I just want to get the opinion of the members. I want to make sure if I my interpretations of a ntrp 5 is correct. Footwork, stroke, etc are being noticed from the player.

Like right now, if his name is not indicated, do you think the rating/comment of the others will change? if the guys name is not in the atp list, will their opinion be lower?

NTRP are based on results not how you look when you are hitting the ball. It is really meant for recreational players in the USTA. Outside of this context it doesn't have much meaning other than giving people some fodder to argue about.
 

sundaypunch

Hall of Fame
NTRP are based on results not how you look when you are hitting the ball. It is really meant for recreational players in the USTA. Outside of this context it doesn't have much meaning other than giving people some fodder to argue about.

A good example of this is the "worst backhand for a top 20 team" thread in the college tennis section. I doubt that anyone would properly rank Greg Hirshman based on a few minutes of video.
 
Well he has ATP ranking of 1288 in 2010 so by definition 6.5 at that time. Is this suppose to be a troll attempt? Usually that works best when we don't know the person who is on the video so we can't look him up-lol.

ATP points are over inflated. Again, there is very little pressure to perform when you are getting paid to play tennis. It is a big difference to shell out your own hard earn cash just for the privilege of playing USTA tournaments and leagues. Spending your money with the hopes to earning enough bragging rights at the office water coolers is much more demanding psychologically. This is where you separate the dilettantes, touring Pros, from the true tennis warriors, the USTA league members.
 

andfor

Legend
ATP points are over inflated.

Maybe in the 70's, 80's or early 90's when a Sponsor's Exemption or Wild Card to a good local player still got him a ATP point for getting drummed in the first round. There are no free points on the tour anymore unless you win a match. Very hard to do by almost any tennis players standards. Ask some of the best amateurs you've seen that have tried the Futures tour and either achieved only 1 or 2 points or tried and never got any. Typical pros who earn their first point have to win 3-4 matches in qualifying and then win their first round main draw match.
 

Devilito

Legend
Not only do people under rate pro players on this forum, they also over-rate some terrible ones too. I’ve seen some threads rating some members 5.0ish that would get double bageled by this guy even if he was blind folded
 

deluxe

Semi-Pro
"4.0 - there are hundreds of 4.0 guys in Norcal who'd take this guy to the cleaners."

I'm sensing there is one commenter missing from this thread...
 

goober

Legend
That's awesome that someone called this guy a 3.5 and he plays DC for his country :)

Don't know what NTRP he is, but this guy can clearly hit.

Well there was a computer rated 4.0 that played for a southern section team that played 4.0 nationals who played college tennis and DC for kenya. According to some people he was only 3rd best player on the team and did not deserve a quadruple bump to 6.0...
 
Maybe in the 70's, 80's or early 90's when a Sponsor's Exemption or Wild Card to a good local player still got him a ATP point for getting drummed in the first round. There are no free points on the tour anymore unless you win a match. Very hard to do by almost any tennis players standards. Ask some of the best amateurs you've seen that have tried the Futures tour and either achieved only 1 or 2 points or tried and never got any. Typical pros who earn their first point have to win 3-4 matches in qualifying and then win their first round main draw match.

I understand that you have to win matches to get ATP points these days but all you have to do is beat other folks who have not spent countless amount of blood, sweat, and tears honing their game and toughening their mental edge to a single atom sharpness in the USTA Adult Leagues.

A Davis Cup away tie is nothing comnpared to a Men's 3.0 away League match. You just have to experience it to believe it. I don't know what other activity one could do that would be almost that tough as USTA League, maybe charging a machine gun nest in WWI or a Marine amphib landing in WW2.

I don't know how it is in other sections but Long Island Leagues are brutal. So many of my friends have lost their job, their family, their friends due to the PTSD caused by league play that they are now homeless, roaming the public courts.

We should have a national Veterans Organization for USTA League Veterans to help them deal with the physical and psychological damage caused by league participation.
 

andfor

Legend
I understand that you have to win matches to get ATP points these days but all you have to do is beat other folks who have not spent countless amount of blood, sweat, and tears honing their game and toughening their mental edge to a single atom sharpness in the USTA Adult Leagues.

A Davis Cup away tie is nothing comnpared to a Men's 3.0 away League match. You just have to experience it to believe it. I don't know what other activity one could do that would be almost that tough as USTA League, maybe charging a machine gun nest in WWI or a Marine amphib landing in WW2.

I don't know how it is in other sections but Long Island Leagues are brutal. So many of my friends have lost their job, their family, their friends due to the PTSD caused by league play that they are now homeless, roaming the public courts.

We should have a national Veterans Organization for USTA League Veterans to help them deal with the physical and psychological damage caused by league participation.

Gotcha. Southern's here are pretty tough. Sounds a lot like Long Island. He would be around a 3.0 in this area.
 
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