What ONE match result would you change to increase the greatness of the big 4?

Flint

Hall of Fame
If you could choose one defeat and change it to a win for each of the big 4, which one match switch do you think would increase their greatness the most?

Federer: I think either one of his French Open final losses to Nadal for obvious reasons, probably the 2008 one. OR the 2015 Wimbledon final loss to Djokovic. Another Slam win that far in to his 30's against prime Djokovic would do his legacy a whole world of good.

Djokovic: Probably also a French Open final loss to Nadal, 2012 standing out due to Nadal being in his prime.

Murray: I would say 2016 French Open final loss to Djokovic, then he would have a Slam on all 3 surfaces, a multi slam year and a Slam final win over Djokovic in the year he gained number 1 status. USO 2008 also stands out as a contender - Federer in his prime.

Nadal: 2011 Wimbledon final loss to Djokovic. For a man with 9 French Opens and 50 clay titles, 3 Wimbledons would be epic. It would also give him another slam final win against Djokovic off clay. It would also increase his greatness relative to the Serbian. Djokovic goes down to 11 slams and 2 wimbledons and Nadal goes up to 15 slams and 3 wimbledons. (It also puts a dent in that run of wins Djok had against him).

These are my choices and the Nadal choice is the one I am most confident in. What would be your options?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I would add FO 2011 to Federer's list. The entire spring up until RG was all about Djokodal. Then out of nowhere Fed comes and beats both Djokodal at their peaks to claim his second FO when nobody would have expected it? That would have been very valuable.

For Murray, probably one of the AO finals that he lost.
 

buscemi

Hall of Fame
If you could choose one defeat and change it to a win for each of the big 4, which one match switch do you think would increase their greatness the most?

Federer: I think either one of his French Open final losses to Nadal for obvious reasons, probably the 2008 one. OR the 2015 Wimbledon final loss to Djokovic. Another Slam win that far in to his 30's against prime Djokovic would do his legacy a whole world of good.

Djokovic: Probably also a French Open final loss to Nadal, 2012 standing out due to Nadal being in his prime.

Murray: I would say 2016 French Open final loss to Djokovic, then he would have a Slam on all 3 surfaces, a multi slam year and a Slam final win over Djokovic in the year he gained number 1 status. USO 2008 also stands out as a contender - Federer in his prime.

Nadal: 2011 Wimbledon final loss to Djokovic. For a man with 9 French Opens and 50 clay titles, 3 Wimbledons would be epic. It would also give him another slam final win against Djokovic off clay. It would also increase his greatness relative to the Serbian. Djokovic goes down to 11 slams and 2 wimbledons and Nadal goes up to 15 slams and 3 wimbledons. (It also puts a dent in that run of wins Djok had against him).

These are my choices and the Nadal choice is the one I am most confident in. What would be your options?
For Nadal, I would say the 2012 Australian Open final against Djokovic. It would give him the double career Slam, and he'd have a win against Djokovic at his best Major. For Federer, I agree that any win over Nadal in one of their French Open finals would be the choice, both for the win over Nadal at the French and the double career Slam. For Djokovic, I would say the 2012 French Open final against Nadal. He would then have the double career Slam and two noncalendar year Grand Slams. For Murray, I would say the 2016 French Open final against Djokovic for Majors on three surfaces.

[Edit: I'll amend this to make my choice the 2006 French Open final for Federer. This would give Federer the calendar year Slam and would likely make it the best year in history.].
 
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SamSpade

New User
Interesting question. I'll go with
Federer - I'll go with the 2008 Wimbledon final, mostly because if everything else remained the same he would have 7 straight titles there which, aside from Richard Sears at the US Championships in the 1880s would be unprecedented. His winning streak there would also stretch over 50 matches - another all time record. For similar reasons 09 US Open final could apply but Sears would still technically hold those records and Tilden with the 42 match win streak. One of the French finals with Nadal is a good selection, Id go with 2006, as he would then hold all four majors in a row (though now Djokovic has achieved this) and could go on to win something like 7 majors in a row if we assume all else remains the same.

Djokovic - Well, I think the 2012 French final is the best choice. With it he achieves four in a row four years earlier and does so against Nadal. The French semi from 2011 against Federer could apply but then he'd still have to deal with Nadal.

Murray - lots of finals to choose from but I think 2012 Wimbledon final could have made the most difference. Could have become a Winbledon winner a year earlier and done so against an all time great Wimbledon champion, possibly holding Federer from getting 17 and 7. If along with a US Open that year could have made him YE #1.

Nadal - No obvious flaws here I would say, save for two arguable possibilities. 2014 AO final with Wawrinka would have made him a double career major winner which he would then stand apart at from the open era standpoint. Another good option would be the 2013 ATP finals versus Djokovic. It was his best year against his chief rival whom he really had the number of at that point. Victory there and you could reasonably argue Nadal had the most comprehensive resume in tennis history.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Even though it wasn't the USO final defeat that upset me most, I'd change last year's result in NYC if I could. It would mean Djokovic had defended 3/4 majors(with the possibility of all 4 at RG this year), a record equalling third 3 slam season as well as a 9th HC slam and it would've pretty much guaranteed a 5th YE#1 to boot.

For Murray I'd change the 2010 AO final. He'd already proven at that stage what an excellent HC player he was and had beaten Federer plenty of times in the previous couple of years so victory there would've been the icing on the cake for him and I don't think would've really surprised too many people. It also wouldn't make me feel so bad for him that Djokovic has beaten him so often there in the subsequent years!
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
ATP:
Since everyone else is going to mention the Slam matches I will pick Djokovic's 2012 Olympics semifinal loss to Murray.

WTA:
1993 Hamburg quarterfinal between Seles and Maleeva. No explanation needed...

Ooops didn't notice it was just about the Big 4.
 
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Dave1982

Professional
Federer - 2008 Wimbledon Final - would obviously now have him with 8 Wimbledon titles, would have extended his weeks at #1 (Nadal took #1 not long after this), a Slam win against his greatest rival at the peak of their powers, often referrered to as the greatest match ever - pretty important to legacy to walk away winner from such a match.
An alternative to this would also be 2012 Olympics - Gold medal match - for obvious reasons.

Nadal - 2014 Australian Open Final - Not that I want to deny Stan but this would have given Rafa a double career slam, would have meant his FO victory that same year moved him ahead of Sampras in Slams. In reality Rafa hasn't let to many slip.

Djokovic - 2015 French Open Final - Would have given him CYGS & 6 Slams in a row...plus it wasn't even another member of Big 4 he lost to...enough said!

Murray - 2016 Australian Open Final - a straight sets loss to main rival in first Slam of the year is hardly a confidence builder (luckily he recovered later in the year) & a win here could have really changed the first half of the season. This loss was of course followed up by a 4 set loss in French Open Final before an early Wimbledon exit by Djokovic allowed Murray to start building some momentum.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer - 2009 USO final. Would have made him USO GOAT and would have given him another 3 slam season.

Nadal - 2012 AO final. Double career slam and Djoker slam.

Djokovic: 2013 FO SF. Djokovic wins this and he probably ends the year at no.1 over Nadal.

Murray: 2016 FO final. A slam won on each surface, which is something ATG like Wilander,Becker,Edberg, Connors, Borg and others never achieved.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer - 2008 Wimbledon Final - would obviously now have him with 8 Wimbledon titles, would have extended his weeks at #1 (Nadal took #1 not long after this), a Slam win against his greatest rival at the peak of their powers, often referrered to as the greatest match ever - pretty important to legacy to walk away winner from such a match.
An alternative to this would also be 2012 Olympics - Gold medal match - for obvious reasons.

Nadal - 2014 Australian Open Final - Not that I want to deny Stan but this would have given Rafa a double career slam, would have meant his FO victory that same year moved him ahead of Sampras in Slams. In reality Rafa hasn't let to many slip.

Djokovic - 2015 French Open Final - Would have given him CYGS & 6 Slams in a row...plus it wasn't even another member of Big 4 he lost to...enough said!

Murray - 2016 Australian Open Final - a straight sets loss to main rival in first Slam of the year is hardly a confidence builder (luckily he recovered later in the year) & a win here could have really changed the first half of the season. This loss was of course followed up by a 4 set loss in French Open Final before an early Wimbledon exit by Djokovic allowed Murray to start building some momentum.
Djokovic would have probably had that post RG 2016 hangover a year earlier ;)
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Definitely 06 French Open as it gives Fed CYGS as well as potentially 7 straight slams then huge confidence going into 07 RG. Had his name on he trophy after winning 1st set 6-1 and having 0-40 break points in 3rd set. Should've won.

Other ones:

08 Wimbledon. 6 straight Wimbledon, then 7 the year after. Resumed his grass dominance over Nadal after the clay season ends. Shame he declined so much after 07 to let that happen.

11 RG. Would've been out of nowhere and added huge amount to his legacy being post prime but taking out Peak Djokovic (ending streak) and prime Nadal. Should've won each of first 3 sets and was playing better tennis. Couldn't sustain for more than 3 sets.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Federer-09 AO first and foremost. He wins that match, there are no weaknesses in his resume.

06 RG is another obvious choice and of course you can play the long odds and say Rome 06 for the subsequent impact it would have on the rest of his career.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Haha quite possibly - which in itself is not a bad thing, might have also gifted Federer the 2015 Wimbledon title which I would have been very happy with!
Not only you ;)

Stan screwed Roger. I don't even know how these 2 are still friends :D
 

Dave1982

Professional
Definitely 06 French Open as it gives Fed CYGS as well as potentially 7 straight slams then huge confidence going into 07 RG. Had his name on he trophy after winning 1st set 6-1 and having 0-40 break points in 3rd set. Should've won.

Other ones:

08 Wimbledon. 6 straight Wimbledon, then 7 the year after. Resumed his grass dominance over Nadal after the clay season ends. Shame he declined so much after 07 to let that happen.

11 RG. Would've been out of nowhere and added huge amount to his legacy being post prime but taking out Peak Djokovic (ending streak) and prime Nadal. Should've won each of first 3 sets and was playing better tennis. Couldn't sustain for more than 3 sets.
Hard to not agree with 06 French Open Final for Federer, definitely adds to legacy in a major way.
I just went with 2008 Wimbledon Final as it's such stalked about match you kind of feel winning it would have been massive for him - then again maybe it's talked about & part of that matches hype is due to the king being dethroned & the (grass) underdog winning.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
Federer - 2009 USO final. Would have made him USO GOAT and would have given him another 3 slam season.

Nadal - 2012 AO final. Double career slam and Djoker slam.

Djokovic: 2013 FO SF. Djokovic wins this and he probably ends the year at no.1 over Nadal.

Murray: 2016 FO final. A slam won on each surface, which is something ATG like Wilander,Becker,Edberg, Connors, Borg and others never achieved.
Hasn't Wilander won Slams on every surface? I thought he held Slams on all surfaces simultaneously
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Nadal: Either 2012 AO or 2007 Wimbledon. 2007 Wimbledon he beats Rog at his peak (instead of prime the following year), has 3 channel slams and another multi-year slam. AO 2012 gives the double career slam and a win over peak Nole at AO.
Federer: 2009 AO or 2011 RG. 2009 AO would prove that Fed had Rafa number outside of RG while both in their peak/prime. 2011 RG would give Fed a win over prime Nadal at RG, probably be his sweetest GS win ever, double CGS and 10 years of winning atleast one slam.
Djokovic: 2012 RG as he'd have a win over Rafa while he was playing one of his best ever RG's, he'd have held all slams TWICE. And he would have had his Nole slam over a very good field. It also gives him another multi slam year and the win would definetely put him above Nadal for most people.
Murray: 2016 RG. Slams on all surfaces. Beating his main rival at 3/4 slams and no doubt who was number one that year.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
I would have Djokovic to win at least 1 RG during 2011-2015. Not too outrageous of a wish.
CYGS in 2011/2015,4 in a row in 2012,outplaying Nadal in 2013 by ending as #1 and with more Slams,Channel Slam in 2014.
I guess losing against Stan in 2015 made him hungry enough to chase Slams and we all know what happened afterwards,but 2011 would have been even more exceptional than it was,near perfect in fact.
 
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Emperor of Belgrade

Guest
2013 or 2016 US Open final. An extra USO, sharing the record of 9 HC Slams and an extra YE #1.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
federer: RG 2005 SF or 2006 F, to nip the topspin plague in the bud before it spreads and contaminates the tour.
djokovic: RG 2011, so that he can make minced meat out of the rusty peak injured golden bull in the final.
murray: W 2008 QF, so that he didn't take richie out for nothing.
the nadal: hard to choose... so many early matches could help improving his fishing or poker career (maybe rome 2005 ?).

PS: i know it wouldn't really improve his career :oops: but i'd still prefer to send a terminator in the late 80's...
"the nadal o'connor, no ?"


 

Dope Reign

Banned
For Federer it obviously has to be one of his finals against Nadal. Beating Nadal in his own backyard would really cement his place as the goat. On the other hand I think it would add to the legend if Nadal couldn't beat Fed in his backyard, just as Fed couldn't to Nadal. So I think I would change wimbledon '08. Any of those RG finals would suffice to though.

For Djokovic it also has to be against Nadal, 5-8 would look a nicer than 4-9. The RG '12 final would do nicely. He gets 4 slams in a row, a rg victory over a still young slam winning Nadal, a 2 match swing in their h2h, and it gives him something over Federer.(sure he eventually beat nadal at rg, butcomeon does that beatdown even count)

I think for Nadal '12 Aussie gives him a victory over Fed and Djok at their most dominant slams.

For Murray it would be one of his finals versus Fed. Probably Australia '10, it gives him the third slam, a slam final victory against the goat. If he beat him in '12 all the fed fanboys would try to undermine it by saying Fed is old. In 2010 Fed was what 27/28? Plus the wimbledon final was a contest, in Australia Murray wasn't at the races until midway through the third set.Winning one and losing in a close final, I'll take over winning one you already have and getting crushed in the other.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
For Federer and Djokovic, it's quite easy. RG 2006 and RG 2015 respectively - they would both have completed The Grand Slam (assuming all other results stay the same). And I really value the Grand Slam.

For Rafa - tougher, maybe AO 2012 to complete the Double Career Slam.

For Andy - AO 2016 - 2 Slams and YE No. 1 for that year, only need RG to complete the Career Slam.
 

malbaker86

Hall of Fame
Nadal: 2012 AO

Fed: 2008 Wimbledon

Djokovic: 2013 Wimbledon

Murray: 2012 Wimbledon

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dh003i

Legend
Murray -- W 2012, FO 2016. Huge emotional impact.

Nadal -- W 2007, AO 2012, W 2011, AO 2014. Winning W 2007 would have been huge for Nadal. W 2011 would have made 2011 as much Nadal's year as Djokovic's.

Djokovic -- USO 2007 vs. Federer would have been huge and started him off earlier. Then beating him again in 2008 in the AO SF, I think it could have started a mental change in Djokovic earlier. After that, all of his FO SF/F losses against Nadal and then really the one against Wawa especially. That's why I say there is no argument that Djokovic is the 2nd best clay court player of the last decade. He needed 2 chances against players not named Nadal to win the FO. USO 2016 would have been huge for him as well.

Federer -- RG 2006. Given that he has 17 Majors, any Major that he lost would have an epic impact in retrospect. However, winning RG 2006 could have changed a lot in the years to come. Talking about matches he realistically could have or even should have won, after RG 2006: W 2008, AO 2009, USO 2009, FO 2011, W 2014, USO 2015, FO 2007, AO 2005. He was having a downish year in 2008 and never really had a chance at the FO 2008 final so that one isn't painful at all in retrospect.

The USO 2009 one is the worst mental match from Federer where he had a chance to win, imo. He had that match on his racket and made a few silly decision (the drop shot). The umpire made a BS call to force Federer to re-serve because Delpo held his hand up after Federer aced him claiming something fell on the court. The umpire also exercised horrible discretion and allowed Delpo to challenge a linescall 10 or so seconds after it was over. After being hosed by the umpire those two times, I think Federer was mentally not the same and never got over it.

I really think that was the worst officiated Federer match I've seen and really feel like the umpire kind of robbed him there. Jake Garner was a horrible umpire in that match and didn't do his job well.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Federer - RG '11
Nadal - AO 12
Djokovic - RG '12
Murray - Wim '12


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Duncan Donuts

Professional
Federer - 2010 US Open Semi Final. This is THE year we really should have had Fedal in the US Open Final. The pieces were right there. Fed really should have closed the deal here against Djokovic with 2 match points.
Lots of other good choices for Federer like 2011 FO Final and 2004 Olympics against Berdych. 2004 was his Olympic Gold Medal year IMO.

Nadal - 2012 Australian Open Final. It was one he deserved to win, just slipped out of hiss fingers.To finally beat Djokovic in his favorite tournament.

Djokovic - 2013 FO SF. He beats Nadal in this epic and gets that Rite of Passage to the title.

Murray - 2014 Wimbledon QF. He wins this match against Dimitrov and its a ticket to the Final. A win here also would have put Murray at 9 consecutive Wimbledon SF appearances.
 

harrpau7

Rookie
10 month bump - but here are mine

Federer - French Open 2011, that drop shot on set point at 5-2 in the first set, if that had gone in who knows or Wimbledon 2014/2015 against Djokovic, hate the fact Djokovic beat Federer in 2 straight Wimbledon finals

Murray - Wimbledon 2012, To beat Federer in a Wimbledon final would have meant that he wouldn't be 0-3 against Federer in major finals, a stat I now don't see changing (would even swap with Olympic final). Honorable mention's to any Australian Open finals' or the French Open final against Djokovic

Nadal - Australian Open 2012, 2014 or 2017, to have won every major twice

Djokovic - French Open 2012 final, to hold all 4 majors at once (I know he did it years later) by beating Nadal in every major final, culminating at the French Open would have been huge. US Open 2016 to Stan Wawrinka could have been important as well, would have ended 2016 as World Number 1 and not been 0-2 in major finals vs Stan
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
My first instinct for Fed was W08 but I've changed my mind after reading everyone's contributions -has to be RG06.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Federer: The Olympic final of 2012.

Nadal: Australian Open 2017 final.

Djokovic: 2007 US Open final. Would have been massive for the young Nole to beat peak Fed.

Murray: Wimbledon final of 2012.

This way Nadal would have 17 Grand Slam titles, Djokovic 13, Murray 4 and Federer 16 with an Olympic gold medal in singles.

:D
 
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