What order would you rank the 15 seasons of the Big 4 - 2004-2018>?

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What order would you rank the 15 seasons of the Big 4?

Looking at Grand Slams won, Masters Series won, and Year End Championship.

Djokovic - 2015
Federer - 2006
Federer - 2007
Djokovic - 2011
Federer - 2004
Nadal - 2010
Nadal - 2013
Federer - 2005
Djokovic - 2016
Federer - 2017
Nadal - 2008
Djokovic - 2018
Federer - 2009
Nadal - 2017
Djokovic - 2014

Thoughts?
 
Taking into account achievements, level of play and strength of the field.

Djokovic - 2015
Djokovic - 2011
Nadal - 2013
Djokovic - 2018
Djokovic - 2016
Federer-2015
Djokovic - 2014
Nadal - 2011
Federer - 2017
Nadal - 2017
Nadal - 2008
Nadal - 2010
Federer - 2009
Federer - 2007
Federer - 2006
 
Taking into account achievements, level of play and strength of the field.

Djokovic - 2015
Djokovic - 2011
Nadal - 2013
Djokovic - 2018
Djokovic - 2016
Federer-2015
Djokovic - 2014
Nadal - 2011
Federer - 2017
Nadal - 2017
Nadal - 2008
Nadal - 2010
Federer - 2009
Federer - 2007
Federer - 2006

Murray 2016 is above some of them.
 
His point was that 2004 is too early to rank the Big 4 as not all of them had even turned pro at that stage.
I think he meant when a Big 4 player started dominating for the first time or became no.1 for the first time. This explains why 2004 is the cut-off.
 
Ranking all of them is tough, but based on my memory:
Djokovic 2015
Djokovic 2011
Federer 2006
Federer 2004
Nadal 2010
Nadal 2008
Federer 2005
Nadal 2013
Federer 2007
Federer 2009
Nadal 2017
Djokovic 2018
Djokovic 2014
Djokovic 2012
Murray 2016

I'm not sure if 2004 would qualify in the "big 4 discussion" though, since Murray and Djokovic had not even turned pro yet, and Nadal wasn't even a top 50 player at the time.
 
UO10-AO13:

Big4 take 100% of slam finals spots and 82.5% of slam semifinal spots.

Titles:

Djokovic 5
Nadal 3
Federer/Murray 1
 
1. 2010 (only season in the history of tennis where a male player wins 3 Grand Slams on 3 different surfaces).

2. 2011

3. 2006

4. 2007

5. 2015

6. 2004

7. 2013

8. 2008

9. 2017

10. 2005
 
Disagree. Fed has higher win %, faced peak Nadal at FO and more titles.

He also faced two weak players to win his other two slams(players who are worse than 2015 Fed and 2015 AO Mury)

And didn’t win as many masters titles. Winning Mickey Mouse tournaments doesn’t equate good

I’m pretty sure Fed just played more tournaments
 
He also faced two weak players to win his other two slams(players who are worse than 2015 Fed and 2015 AO Mury)

And didn’t win as many masters titles. Winning Mickey Mouse tournaments doesn’t equate good

I’m pretty sure Fed just played more tournaments

Disagree that the players were weaker. You can't just look at the names and decide they were weaker, you have to look at the player and how they played. eg. Cilic 2014 was a monster, but no name relatively speaking.

Higher win % is regarded as an important criterion on most lists, hence Fed 2006 > Djok 2015.
 
Disagree that the players were weaker. You can't just look at the names and decide they were weaker, you have to look at the player and how they played. eg. Cilic 2014 was a monster, but no name relatively speaking.

Higher win % is regarded as an important criterion on most lists, hence Fed 2006 > Djok 2015.

I’m 100% sure 2015 slam opponents were better, but I’ll make sure

Getting those wins in Mickey Mouse tournaments against Mickey Mouse players disregard that criteria. Fed didn’t have as many masters as Nole in 2006 as well
 
I’m 100% sure 2015 slam opponents were better, but I’ll make sure

Getting those wins in Mickey Mouse tournaments against Mickey Mouse players disregard that criteria. Fed didn’t have as many masters as Nole in 2006 as well

LOL Nadal 2006 >>>>>>>>> Wawa 2015.
 
No, it's Djoko 2015 followed closely by Fed 2006. These 2 are the best seasons since Laver's 1969.
if you're only looking at the surface level numbers (e.g. masters counts being the reason to put Djokovic 2015 first) then Mac's 84 should beat both of them.
 
Probably, but what about the other 3 lmao
the opponents in the other slam finals were really about equal. Not terrible, but nothing to write home about. Baghdatis and Murray both fell apart after two sets. Nadal played an awful first set (wouldn't have won the set anyways with Federer's form) but was better in the next 3 than 15 Federer was in the last 3. Roddick and Fed both played really similar matches in the respective USO finals (flat first set, good the next two, letdown to end the third, out of gas in the 4th). Of course if you think 15 Djokovic's level was much higher than 06 Federer's, then I guess his opponents' were as well. I personally don't.
 
Learn to read. He said best seasons of the big 4.

Er, actually *you* should learn to read - because nowhere is the word "best" mentioned.

He wrote "the 15 seasons of the big 4", as if 2004 onwards have been the 15 years when all 4 have been competing (and presumably, at a high level).
 
Er, actually *you* should learn to read - because nowhere is the word "best" mentioned.

He wrote "the 15 seasons of the big 4", as if 2004 onwards have been the 15 years when all 4 have been competing (and presumably, at a high level).

Right, 15 seasons and he listed 15 seasons. So you are bound by the ones he listed. One of them was 2004. Deal with it!
 
the opponents in the other slam finals were really about equal. Not terrible, but nothing to write home about. Baghdatis and Murray both fell apart after two sets. Nadal played an awful first set (wouldn't have won the set anyways with Federer's form) but was better in the next 3 than 15 Federer was in the last 3. Roddick and Fed both played really similar matches in the respective USO finals (flat first set, good the next two, letdown to end the third, out of gas in the 4th). Of course if you think 15 Djokovic's level was much higher than 06 Federer's, then I guess his opponents' were as well. I personally don't.

Just checked the USO stats, Fed did more things better in 2015 than Arod did in 2006. How you value them could be different.

Wimby and AO I will get back to you
 
Very difficult as so many variables, not all objective and clear. Tried to focus mainly on achievements rather than on overall level of play, otherwise I would have ranked it differently. I also only ranked YE #1 so no Djokovic 2016 or Fed 2017 for example. Many of the below are interchangeable and might have been different had I ranked it tomorrow:

D 2015 - 3 slams with a final. YEC. 6 masters with 2 finals. Decent win loss ratio at 82-6. Other impressive qualities include 31 top 10 wins and big titles on all surfaces.

F 2006 - 3 slams and a final. YEC. 4 masters and 2 finals. Very impressive 92-5 win loss ratio. No big titles on clay, but faced prime Nadal there

D 2011 - 3 slams, 5 masters. No YEC but dominated Fedal. Decent win loss at 70-6. Fell off a cliff towards the end but only 2 losses from AO to USO winning first 41 matches.

F 2004 - 3 slams, YEC and 3 masters. Good win loss at 74-6. Undefeated against top 10 and in finals. 11 titles

F 2007 - 3 slams and a final. YEC. 2 masters and 5 finals. 8 titles and 68-9 win loss. A stepdown from the above outside slams but at slams, can't get much better

N 2010 - 3 slams. 3 masters. YEC final. Really difficult to rank. Definitely below the above, but you could make good arguments for 2 slam seasons above it. Ultimately, 3 slams on 3 surfaces does enough for me. The clay slam was very impressive also

F 2005 - 2 slams and 4 masters. YEC final. Insane 81-4 win loss with 10 titles puts this at the top of the 2 slam years for me.

N 2013 - 2 slams, 5 masters. YEC final. Difficult to pit against Nadal 08. Arguably higher level there, but 2013's win loss of 75-7 and 10 titles edge it

N 2008 - 2 slams, 3 masters. OG. Channel slam against Federer very impressive. His whole summer was peak Nadal

F 2009 - 2 slams with 2 finals, 2 masters. Definitely good arguments for 1 slam seasons above this but 2 sets away from CYGS is very impressive. Channel slam as well.

N 2017 - 2 slams with a final. 2 masters. In terms of level of play, this would rank below other 1 slam seasons. In terms of overall achievement, this one gets the edge over them

M 2016 - 1 slam with 2 finals. YEC. 3 masters. OG. 78-9 win loss ratio. 9 titles. Clearly the strongest of the 1 slam YE#1s. Just a little too strong to be below Djokovic 2018

D - 2018 - 2 slams, 2 masters. YEC final. Really tough to rank. Part of me feels it should be bottom. But 2 slams is very impressive. And he still managed to win 2 masters and reach YEC final so it's not as though he did nothing outside of slams

D 2014 - 1 slam with a final. YEC. 4 masters.

D 2012 - 1 slam with 2 finals. YEC. 3 masters with 3 finals. In terms over overall level for Novak, probably 4th after 2015,11 and 16. In terms of achievements, probably his weakest YE #1

The weaker 2 slam years vs the 1 slam years is really murky territory. As I said before, this is not my opinion on level of play. It was considered, but given very low weighting

Sorry for v. long post!
 
He also faced two weak players to win his other two slams(players who are worse than 2015 Fed and 2015 AO Mury)

And didn’t win as many masters titles. Winning Mickey Mouse tournaments doesn’t equate good

I’m pretty sure Fed just played more tournaments
There is a reason for that and that player was absent in 2015.
 
I don't mind dealing with it, I'm saying it was badly worded.

He should really just have said the best seasons for male players from 2004-2018.

It was implied by saying considering slams, master's and YEC won. What, did you think he was considering years when they didn't win any of those? Obviously it was the years in which the players won most of those titles. Clear as day.
 
Taking into account achievements, level of play and strength of the field.

Djokovic - 2015
Djokovic - 2011
Nadal - 2013
Djokovic - 2018
Djokovic - 2016
Federer-2015
Djokovic - 2014
Nadal - 2011
Federer - 2017
Nadal - 2017
Nadal - 2008
Nadal - 2010
Federer - 2009
Federer - 2007
Federer - 2006

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D 2015 - 3 slams with a final. YEC. 6 masters with 2 finals. Decent win loss ratio at 82-6. Other impressive qualities include 31 top 10 wins and big titles on all surfaces.

F 2006 - 3 slams and a final. YEC. 4 masters and 2 finals. Very impressive 92-5 win loss ratio. No big titles on clay, but faced prime Nadal there

Taken from Towny's post. Doesn't this pretty much answer everything? 6 masters > 4 masters, no one even won 6 masters in a single season except for Djokovic if I'm correct.

Lets not count smaller tournaments ;)
 
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