What serves do you hit?

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by gifted_shotmaker, Jun 13, 2005.

  1. gifted_shotmaker

    gifted_shotmaker Semi-Pro

    May 18, 2005
    What kind of serve do you hit on your first and second serves?

    I hit flat or topspin on my first try, and I hit slice on my second try.

    Kick serve is the hardest to learn I hear, I would like to also add the kick serve to my repertoire.
  2. TwistServe

    TwistServe Guest

    Well I have many serves... and use them based on how the other opponent is returning and if i'm serving on the duece or ad side

    First serves:
    - flat down T or out wide
    - slice serve to body or out wide
    - hard kicker aggressively placed near the lines usually outwide

    Second serves:
    - kicktwistserve out wide or down the middle
    - short angle kicktwistserve outwide
    - topspin serve to the body
    - slice serve conservatively placed
  3. Jonnyf

    Jonnyf Legend

    Feb 28, 2005
    Scotland ;-)
    first usually flat or lefty slice

    2nd almost always (95%) kickserve
  4. eLterrible

    eLterrible Rookie

    Apr 26, 2005
    I kick it wide on deuce for both first and second (take a little mmph off the second <--what a pun :p ) and kick it down the center line on ad side. I'm 5'6 so a flat serve will almost always go out on me without a little kick.
  5. stc9357

    stc9357 Semi-Pro

    Apr 23, 2005
    1st serve- slice, falt, or topspin

    2nd serve- slice or topsin

    I'm currently adding kick to the reportoire which means getting up 8 o'clock every morning and working on the serve for a hour to two hours.
  6. Grimjack

    Grimjack Banned

    Feb 18, 2004
    My second serve is usually a topspin or kick to the backhand of a righty, or a slice or slice/topspin hybrid to the backhand of a lefty.

    My first serve could be anything.
  7. kevhen

    kevhen Hall of Fame

    Feb 20, 2004
    Auckland, New Zealand
    1st serve,

    hard heavy slice into the body 70% in usually forces many errors most of the first set into the net or outwide to my right from the spin,

    hard flat up the T, 50% in and forces many long return errors too if not winners,

    topspin change up usually out wide 70% in, sometimes forces errors usually into the net due to change of pace and spin but most players are more used to this kind of serve.

    2nd serve

    slow flat 95% in but not too effective against the strongest 4.0s,

    slow heavy slice 80% in keeps opponent on the defense,

    hard heavy slice 70% forces some errors,

    topspin 75% in, best when serving in windy conditions.
  8. krnboijunsung

    krnboijunsung Semi-Pro

    May 11, 2005
    Isn't the kick serve a harder version of the topspin serve or slice serve? It's basically brushing over the ball right? My friend knows how to do it consistently and I got killed in our doubles match.
  9. Grimjack

    Grimjack Banned

    Feb 18, 2004
    The kick serve is a topspin serve where the angle at which you brush up causes the ball to leap not just up, but sideways as well. In terms of two right handers playing, it's a serve that will bounce high AND off to the backhand side of a returner.

    Great fun if you're playing on an end court near a fence put up a little too close.
  10. Kaptain Karl

    Kaptain Karl Hall Of Fame

    Sep 17, 2004
    The High Country of Colorado
    I don't bother with topspin serves. I hit Kick, Slice and Flat ... mixing them up however I think will best suit that particular match. (I use the same toss for all my serves. I've been reminded this is unusual, but I think it is a BIG reason my serve is such a weapon.) I don't hit all that hard, but my opponents usually end up "guessing" what's coming. I love this...!

    Oh yeah ... I only hit Flat for my second serve less than 10% of the time. That's the only change from First to Second.

    - KK
  11. safin_protege

    safin_protege Semi-Pro

    May 8, 2005
    Duece side:
    First Serve
    -Flat down T (favorite)
    -Slice out wide
    -Flat into body

    Second Serve
    -Slice down T (favorite)
    -Slice into Body
    -Slice out wide

    Ad side:
    First Serve
    -Big kick out wide (favorite)
    -Flat down T
    -Flat into body

    Second Serve
    -(same as Deuce side Second Serves)
  12. Bungalo Bill

    Bungalo Bill G.O.A.T.

    Feb 19, 2004
    Twist, slice, topspin, "flat" - anywhere.
  13. thejackal

    thejackal Hall of Fame

    Oct 17, 2004
    Montreal, Canada
    I just hit kickers with varying amounts of spin and therefore pace. I very mostly sidespin and location to either jam or stretch opponents.
  14. Rickson

    Rickson G.O.A.T.

    Jun 16, 2004
    Flat and slice on my first serves and topspin serve on my second.
  15. Meat

    Meat Rookie

    Apr 13, 2005
    I use EVERYTHING. All levels of spin, all kinds of spin. I easily hook the ball wide, or add normal slice on it easily. Flat serves come easy as well, I can generate the pace and placement.

    I'm working on the kick serves. Currently, my topspin serve bounces at about shoulder height at most, with small to moderate pace. It's consistent, but I'm aiming for more action to try for errors right from the beginning. I have a twist serve, as well -it bounces about the same height as my topspin serve, and just barely breaks after the bounce. I want to be able to control and develop that bounce.

    But I still use all of them. If you're aiming for errors and weak balls, it's impossible to just use one. They're going to get used to it. So for first AND second serve, I use everything.
  16. MegacedU

    MegacedU Professional

    Dec 14, 2004
    Rhode Island
    I'd like to hit kickers for both buttt my coach hates it and tells me that I should really be hitting a flat serve for my first. So that's what I do. For my second it's a kicker/slice out wide.
  17. Zeph

    Zeph Rookie

    May 15, 2005
    Typically i use a hard flat or heavy slice first serve, on my second, i use a kick serve. Though im not to the almost perfect consistancy where i can take second serves and hit them far wide or close to the T, I guess im a little more cautious when it comes to second serves.
  18. Thanatos

    Thanatos Semi-Pro

    Jul 22, 2004
    TwistServe, you seem very proficient with the kicker. I have a question for you. When I'm serving on the deuce side (right-handed), I usually stand about 3 ft away from the hash. My goal is to serve out wide for an ace. I'm not talking about the right corner of my opponent's service box, but the vertical line that runs up to the net. Do I have to take some pace off my kicker to place the ball in that area? Right now, I can hit that vertical line about 1/10 times with a loose wrist and full swing. I tried rotating my shoulders more towards that area but can't seem to find any true consistency. Thanks.
  19. kying1031

    kying1031 New User

    Dec 25, 2004
    Depending on how I'm serving that day, this is my priority list

    1st serves -
    Flat angle out wide (I mean beyond the left corner of the deuce and right of ad. I'm a pretty tall guy.)
    Flat to wide corner
    Flat up the middle
    Flat into the body
    Heavy kick into body
    heavy kick up into backhand.

    2nd serves-
    Angled Kick out wide into ad/Right up the T in deuce
    Body Kick serve
    Wherever their backhand is, i kick it. Sometimes i'm a bit more agressive and put it closer to the corners/farther wide.

    I'm a very heavy Serve and volley player, so I use the kick quite a bit.
  20. TennsDog

    TennsDog Hall of Fame

    Feb 26, 2004
    I have a bunch of serves. Altogether: fast topspin, slow w/lotsa topspin, slice, flat, 3/4 spin, and twist. I don't use the twist very much, but it is fun. My first serves are usually fast topspin, but I like aces with slice wide in deuce and jamming with flat. My second serve is also usually fast topspin and sometimes slow w/lotsa topspin. The 3/4 is my favorite serve because it is one of my fastest and it just bites right through the returner's stringbed and twists the frame on contact, making it very difficult to get a decent return in play. The fast topspin often sends the return sky-high.
  21. TwistServe

    TwistServe Guest

    Thanatos.. If I get your question right, you want to hit a kicker from the duece side to your opponents forehand but with a sharp angle.. This is usually achieved with a slice serve but a kicker is doable.

    To do what I described above with a kick serve, you're either going to do two things... Take pace off the ball and put tremendous spin and aim at a sharp angle out wide. Or you can hit your normal hard kicker but make sure the arc distance falls short.. that is. you want the ball as it passes the net to be on its way down... Be careful! If you mis-place the ball and get it towards the middle of the service box, you've just gave your opponent a short kicker to their forehand..

    I guess the only thing you can do is practice... My kickers naturally go out wide on duece and ad side because of my stance. I have to force myself to hit down the middle if I want it to go there.. Just do like me, hit around 150 serves three times a week and your consistency will only go up.. Tweak around with your stance, grip, wrist, and elbow postions on the serve. You'll find what gives maximum spin, maximum penetration, and maximum pop.
  22. ch4ng

    ch4ng Rookie

    May 12, 2005
    West Long Beach
    First Serve

    Flat up the T
    Flat into body
    Flat out wide
    Kick out wide (ad)
    Slice out wide (duece)

    Second Serve

    Slice out wide
    Slice into backhand
    Kick into backhand
    Flat into body or wide (if its 40-0)

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