What theoretical NTRP for Federer?

The Bawss

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Anyone who plays tennis in the US knows the difference in level between a 3.0 and a 4.0 and likewise between a 5.0 and a 7.0 (pro). Imagine there was no upper limit for an NTRP rating, now my question is : What NTRP, in your opinion, would a top 100 pro be as opposed to a pro ranking in the 1500s, how about top 10? How about Federer, Djoko?
 
....whatever it is, Nadal would be higher.

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Here's a sandbox to play in.
 
Well there would be one if I could copy images properly lol.

I think the top 10 would only be 8.0 with the very best maybe 8.5 at most.
 
Whats wrong with TTW? I'm suprised nobody has posted the following usual replies yet:
1) over 9000
2) picture of asian guy with '7.0 NTRP?? Why not 10.0???'
 
Could anyone post a link to some criterias about this NTRP-rating? Ive heard about it for so many years but never really looked it up, since its only used in the US.
 
Could anyone post a link to some criterias about this NTRP-rating? Ive heard about it for so many years but never really looked it up, since its only used in the US.

Here's a break down of the NTRP guidlines:

1.5
This player has limited experience and is still working primarily on getting the ball into play.

2.0
This player needs on-court experience. This player has obvious stroke weaknesses but is familiar with basic positions for singles and doubles play.

2.5
This player is learning to judge where the ball is going although court coverage is weak. Can sustain a short rally of slow pace with other players of the same ability.

3.0
This player is fairly consistent when hitting medium paced shorts, but is not comfortable with all strokes and lacks execution when trying for directional control, depth, or power. Most common doubles formation is one-up, one-back.

3.5
This player has achieved improved stroke dependability with directional control on moderate shots, but still lacks depth and variety. This player exhibits more aggressive net play, has improved court coverage, and is developing teamwork in doubles.

4.0
This player has dependable strokes, including directional control and depth on both forehand and backhand sides on moderate shots, plus the ability to use lobs, overheads, approach shots and volleys with some success. This player occasionally forces errors when serving. Rallies may be lost due to impatience. Teamwork in doubles is evident.

4.5
This player has begun to master the use of power and spins and is beginning to handle pace, has sound footwork, can control depth of shots, and is beginning to vary game plan according to opponents. This player can hit first serves with power and accuracy and place the second serve. This player tends to over hit on difficult shots. Aggressive net play is common in doubles.

5.0
This player has good shot anticipation and frequently has an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. This player can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys, can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and has good depth and spin on most 2nd serves.

5.5
This player has developed power and/or consistency as a major weapon. This player can vary strategies and styles of play in a competitive situation and hits dependable shots in a stress situation.

6.0 to 7.0
The 6.0 player typically has had intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior and collegiate levels and has obtained a sectional and/or national ranking. The 7.0 is a world class player.

For more info go here:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/646/USTA_Import/PNW/dps/doc_36_501.pdf
 
I'd say 8.0 for the whole top 50.

Most people would agree that a 3.0 would be hard pressed to take games off a 4.0, and same with a 4.0 with a 5.0, etc... so the fact that many of the guys in the top 50 could potentially force the top 4 to tiebreaks, I'd say they're all alot closer in ability than anyone here seems to think.
 
^^^ Indeed they are. The difference is that they cannot hold up their high level of playing consistently like the top guys can. Interestingly, much like Federer now. He will still be a threat at the slams because when he's on, he'll still hand you your ass. Unlike a few years ago though, he cannot keep up that level for two weeks straight.
 
im not sure about NTRP, but i know how to place them regarding AISRP (Ana Ivanovic Sexiness Rating Program)...

Federer : 5.0
Djoke : 6.5
Nadal : 9.0
Guy with the vamos Rafa shirt in the elevator : Wowzers 130.0
 
Federer and Nadal would be 10.0. Djokovic would be 8.5 and Roddick is a 5.0.

3.0
This player is fairly consistent when hitting medium paced shorts, but is not comfortable with all strokes and lacks execution when trying for directional control, depth, or power. Most common doubles formation is one-up, one-back.



ok we could say that moonballs are medium paced shorts, and rafa isnt comfortable with all strokes he has bad volleys.. but lets say he can be 3.0
 
Depends on who is doing the rating. Bud would rate Nadal at NTRP 25, and Federer at NTRP 4.5, a half-point higher than Peter Polansky. :)
 
Depends on who is doing the rating. Bud would rate Nadal at NTRP 25, and Federer at NTRP 4.5, a half-point higher than Peter Polansky. :)

I am assuming this may have to do with some comment Bud made about Peter Polansky ?. Is this the one where some poster indicated that Polansky is a 4.0 player or something?
 
Most people would agree that a 3.0 would be hard pressed to take games off a 4.0, and same with a 4.0 with a 5.0, etc... so the fact that many of the guys in the top 50 could potentially force the top 4 to tiebreaks, I'd say they're all alot closer in ability than anyone here seems to think.

Very true. In a 100 story building the top 10 are on the 100th floor. The top 100 players are on the 99th floor. We club players are on the 1st floor. While the top players consistently beat lower ranked players, its still game on and on a bad day, upsets happen. A club player walks out there and its put a mic on the pro and let's have some laughs.
 
Has anybody consulted our resident NTRP expert from San Diego? We should wait for his answer so we can put this topic to rest.
 
Federer is so great that he has his own NTRP, it's just called Federer.

When facing Nadal though he drops to a rating of 4.0 as he can't even begin to change his game according to his opponent.

Does NTRP take into account mental strength ??
 
Federer is so great that he has his own NTRP, it's just called Federer.

When facing Nadal though he drops to a rating of 4.0 as he can't even begin to change his game according to his opponent.

Does NTRP take into account mental strength ??

Yes. He plays terribly against Nadal, always has.
That's what a match-up like that does to you.
 
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