What to do against junk balls

#1
In the past few weeks I played 2 decent players and ive played decently against them even tho im rusty, won both matches, some good points, high quality points.

Then I played a weaker opponent, decided to practice my kick serve because he cant return my 1st serve at all.

Anyway long story short I won 6:2 6:3, but went away with a bit of bitter taste because I really should have won 6:0 6:0

I really struggled the most with his extremely junk balls, I dont know how to describe them otherwise.

He struggled alot with my kick that kicked right and also during groundstroke exchanges alot of times, the ball caught him by suprize and he kind of blocked it in a weird crounched way completely close to his body or something and alot of times the ball had extremely weird deflections and bounces.

Like it deflected at an sharp angle away from the court on the sideline at service line, or deflected short alot of times extremely low over the net and barely bounced up at all close to net.

I was of course having quite a bit of problems and had quite alot of errors on these balls because im not used to them at all, never practiced them much.

What do you guys do with these balls?

1.Extremely low over the net slow barely bounces up
2.weird deflection at an angle that u can barely or cant even get to
3.weird spins that make the ball bounce extremely weird
 
#3
You should try to find better competition. I can't even beat my wife 6-0 6-0 that often. she also hits like your opponent and its frustrating at times as its hard to anticipate.
 
#4
junk ball back
if you're the better player you should be able to junk ball him better in front of his face
No other options? Thats probably why i struggled. I tried to play my usual game and swing fast topspin stroked, but found out its extremely easy to overhit those short extremely low balls close to net, very hard to hit aggresive shots from them
 
#5
Tell them that if they continue to Junk ball, you will never play with them or against them ever again. and also you will tell everyone at the club and all your friends to never play them again. That will put a stop to it
 
#6
Tell them that if they continue to Junk ball, you will never play with them or against them ever again. and also you will tell everyone at the club and all your friends to never play them again. That will put a stop to it
But its not on purpose, he tried to hit normal shots, but alot of times my shots bounced up or kicked right and you could see he made contact extremely close to the body and those weird junk balls were the result, not that its his playstyle.
 
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#7
In the past few weeks I played 2 decent players and ive played decently against them even tho im rusty, won both matches, some good points, high quality points.

Then I played a weaker opponent, decided to practice my kick serve because he cant return my 1st serve at all.

Anyway long story short I won 6:2 6:3, but went away with a bit of bitter taste because I really should have won 6:0 6:0

I really struggled the most with his extremely junk balls, I dont know how to describe them otherwise.

He struggled alot with my kick that kicked right and also during groundstroke exchanges alot of times, the ball caught him by suprize and he kind of blocked it in a weird crounched way completely close to his body or something and alot of times the ball had extremely weird deflections and bounces.

Like it deflected at an sharp angle away from the court on the sideline at service line, or deflected short alot of times extremely low over the net and barely bounced up at all close to net.

I was of course having quite a bit of problems and had quite alot of errors on these balls because im not used to them at all, never practiced them much.

What do you guys do with these balls?

1.Extremely low over the net slow barely bounces up
2.weird deflection at an angle that u can barely or cant even get to
3.weird spins that make the ball bounce extremely weird
footwork footwork footwork (especially getting your spacing right and force myself to take 4-5 adjusting steps especially on "easy" balls).
IMO it's much easier to get a neutral/defensive ball back, with poor/sloppy footwork...
but as soon as you go on offense, your footwork and spacing need to be much more precise.

these kinds of balls are exactly why i try to focus on serve (50%), followed by attacking/approaching mid court balls... (30%)
it's one thing to move side to side... it's another to move forward, with an compact stroke, and precise footwork to be able to get the ball up and down quickly, or slice with precision
if you're not intentional about practicing the mid court ball (especially low), which to me, feels like different shot than a full swing stroke from the basleine (because you need to get it up and down quickly, and you have less room to do it), if you're like i was, you'll only practice it during a match,... and you'll lose the majority of them (when you've really just earned the right to go on offense)

these mid court balls are why i:
* practice mini alot... same type of compact stroke & feel
* practice volleys starting from behind the service line
* after warmup, in coop hitting, i force myself to attack all short balls (still hitting back to baseline person)... even though it's more tiring and disruptive to my own rhythm.

my $0.02
 
#8
But its not on purpose, he tried to hit normal shots, but alot of times my shots bounced up or kicked right and you could see he made contact extremely close to the body and those weird junk balls were the result, not that its his playstyle.
oh I see, my bad. then make sure you take 1000 small steps as you get to the ball, and adjust your body with left arm pointing at the ball, then crush it. left non racket arm will act as both balance and also give you the correct distance from the junk ball right before you crush it
 
#9
Its frustrating because il make more errors on them than against high pace spin groundstrokes, and yet the quality is way worse of these beginner junk balls, so i should be having more trouble against tougher shots from tougher players than against weaker players and these easy sliw weird spinny junk balls.
 
#10
No other options? Thats probably why i struggled. I tried to play my usual game and swing fast topspin stroked, but found out its extremely easy to overhit those short extremely low balls close to net, very hard to hit aggresive shots from them
low balls close to the net that you barely get to are balls that aren't able to be attacked like balls at the baseline, so there's no reason to swing for the fences.
junk ball it back or exaggerate the topspin swing deep and away from him, and prepare for a volley or overhead, because he'll most likely get it back
 
#11
footwork footwork footwork (especially getting your spacing right and force myself to take 4-5 adjusting steps especially on "easy" balls).
IMO it's much easier to get a neutral/defensive ball back, with poor/sloppy footwork...
but as soon as you go on offense, your footwork and spacing need to be much more precise.

these kinds of balls are exactly why i try to focus on serve (50%), followed by attacking/approaching mid court balls... (30%)
it's one thing to move side to side... it's another to move forward, with an compact stroke, and precise footwork to be able to get the ball up and down quickly, or slice with precision
if you're not intentional about practicing the mid court ball (especially low), which to me, feels like different shot than a full swing stroke from the basleine (because you need to get it up and down quickly, and you have less room to do it), if you're like i was, you'll only practice it during a match,... and you'll lose the majority of them (when you've really just earned the right to go on offense)

these mid court balls are why i:
* practice mini alot... same type of compact stroke & feel
* practice volleys starting from behind the service line
* after warmup, in coop hitting, i force myself to attack all short balls (still hitting back to baseline person)... even though it's more tiring and disruptive to my own rhythm.

my $0.02
I think ur footwork advice has alot of merit!!!

I actually noticed that my footwork was worse against him than better players, maybe because hes so much weaker and i was taking it lightly, you know what i mean? When ur not really that active with ur feet but more casual etc
 
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#12
I think ur footwork advice has alot of merit!!!

I actually noticed that my footwork was worse against him than better players, maybe because hes so much weaker and i was taking it lightly, you know what i mean? When ur not really that active with ur feet but more casual etc
against good players, i often am "just getting to the ball"... so let's say i take 5 steps to defend... but those 5 steps fills all the time given to me.
against weak player, i have so much time, my mindset needs to be, "take as many steps as needed to fill that time"... so i end up working more (so to speak)
when playing badly against a weak player, it's because i get complacent about my footwork, because i think i have so much time (which is fine ifyou're just "neutralizing a neutral ball"... but if you're gonna attack the ball, your footwork better be aggressive.
 

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#13
In the past few weeks I played 2 decent players and ive played decently against them even tho im rusty, won both matches, some good points, high quality points.

Then I played a weaker opponent, decided to practice my kick serve because he cant return my 1st serve at all.

Anyway long story short I won 6:2 6:3, but went away with a bit of bitter taste because I really should have won 6:0 6:0

I really struggled the most with his extremely junk balls, I dont know how to describe them otherwise.

He struggled alot with my kick that kicked right and also during groundstroke exchanges alot of times, the ball caught him by suprize and he kind of blocked it in a weird crounched way completely close to his body or something and alot of times the ball had extremely weird deflections and bounces.

Like it deflected at an sharp angle away from the court on the sideline at service line, or deflected short alot of times extremely low over the net and barely bounced up at all close to net.

I was of course having quite a bit of problems and had quite alot of errors on these balls because im not used to them at all, never practiced them much.

What do you guys do with these balls?

1.Extremely low over the net slow barely bounces up
2.weird deflection at an angle that u can barely or cant even get to
3.weird spins that make the ball bounce extremely weird

1. Either:
Slice back on either wing (My preferred option). Split-second decision at the time will tell me whether to slice back with power for depth or little amount for mid-court/short/drop shot effect.
Or:
Hit back with TS (but more difficult) as you need to time to measure and prepare earlier (where you can get away it preparing a bit later with a slice)
2. Not sure what you mean here - if you can barely get to it then there isn't much you can do? At best get your racket on it and just hit back.
3. Anticipate and ADAPT to unexpected ball movement. The best drill for this is to play on an uneven grass court where this will happen often
 
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1. Either:
Slice back on either wing (My preferred option). Split-second decision at the time will tell me whether to slice back with power for depth or little amount for mid-court/short/drop shot effect.
Or:
Hit back with TS (but more difficult) as you need to time to measure and prepare earlier (where you can get away it preparing a bit later with a slice)
2. Not sure what you mean here - if you can barely get to it then there isn't much you can do? At best get your racket on it and just hit back.
3. Anticipate and ADAPT to unexpected ball movement. The best drill for this is to play on an uneven grass court where this will happen often
re #2... i suspect he's still standing on the baseline, vs. stepping in to anticipate a short ball (especially if he knows his kicker gives the other guy trouble)
re #3... or clay.. but there's something to be said about the true bounce of hc, and practicing taking everything on the rise.
 
#15
against good players, i often am "just getting to the ball"... so let's say i take 5 steps to defend... but those 5 steps fills all the time given to me.
against weak player, i have so much time, my mindset needs to be, "take as many steps as needed to fill that time"... so i end up working more (so to speak)
when playing badly against a weak player, it's because i get complacent about my footwork, because i think i have so much time (which is fine ifyou're just "neutralizing a neutral ball"... but if you're gonna attack the ball, your footwork better be aggressive.
Certainly great advice, but the biggest problem for me is to have 100% intensity with my footwork against such players.

I hope you understand what i mean but against equal or better players ur in that 100% Focused zone, 100% intense footwork, ready to pounce, in the zone etc...

But against such playera where ur already holding back ur strokes or hitting 2nd serves ur just in this casual mode... i find it very hard to be in the 100% focused and intense footwork mode..
 
#16
Yes #2 im on baseline and he gets caught and ball into him and kind of weirdly deflects it and it goes at a sharp angle slow ball but sharp very close to net in middle of service box sideline and hits the line, happened like 5-6 times, i got to it 2 times the rest i was caught off guard or was almost impossible, he said sorry always and i was like wtf in my head
 

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#18
Its frustrating because il make more errors on them than against high pace spin groundstrokes, and yet the quality is way worse of these beginner junk balls, so i should be having more trouble against tougher shots from tougher players than against weaker players and these easy sliw weird spinny junk balls.
You obviously haven't played many matches yet in your tennis career :)

Just wait until later this summer when you meet a good 4.0-4.5 pusher/junkballer/defender in a tournament or league play. Try not to break your racket in frustration :)
 
#19
You obviously haven't played many matches yet in your tennis career :)

Just wait until later this summer when you meet a good 4.0-4.5 pusher/junkballer/defender in a tournament or league play. Try not to break your racket in frustration :)
I can imagine the match being more frustrating than this one that i won anyway.
But i would kind of have an easier time accepting that he was at least a high quality player with such a style compared to a weak player that gets some lucky weird deflections and shanks and me having trouble against him at times.
 

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#20
I can imagine the match being more frustrating than this one that i won anyway.
But i would kind of have an easier time accepting that he was at least a high quality player with such a style compared to a weak player that gets some lucky weird deflections and shanks and me having trouble against him at times.
The problem is that a good pusher/defender doesn't look or feel like a high quality player when you're playing against them. They may even be self-taught. (gasp!)

We'll talk more later this summer. Remember that pushers/junkballers are the gatekeepers of 4.0-4.5 tennis :)
 
#21
The problem is that a good pusher/defender doesn't look or feel like a high quality player when you're playing against them. They may even be self-taught. (gasp!)

We'll talk more later this summer. Remember that pushers/junkballers are the gatekeepers of 4.0-4.5 tennis :)
Its frustrating to play such players.
Even my coach who beats utr10-11 players, so is a pretty good player was telling me a story when i told her about this experience of mine.

Years ago she played a local tourney here, she didnt play much for a year cuz injured, so a bit rusty but not so bad.. beat a high quality competitor 1st round, nice quality match, lots of winners and nice points from both sides.
2nd round played against a complete pusher and junkballer, extremely fast and accurate placement, defended well and hit loopy high spin very deep shots, she went down 0:3 made lots of errors and she was thinking wtf are you doing..
Ended up winning 6:4 6:4 but it was an extremely frustrating patient mentaly exhausting match.
 
#22
Sounds like part of the problem is recognizing those shots early, and that you were getting caught by surprise. I think if you can spot that they are jammed, or have the face open, or are setting up for a slice you can start to move forward so you can get to the ball and hit a forehand.

The other thing is to resist the temptation to blast those balls (I'm not sure if that was a problem or not, but it is for a lot of people that play against pushers). If the ball to you is short then often it's better to angle those balls off the court short, or block slice the ball deep into the corner where they will have a very difficult shot if they can get to it at all.

I don't think you want to play their game, but you might not want to play your standard game either. It will require a little finesse.
 
#23
In the past few weeks I played 2 decent players and ive played decently against them even tho im rusty, won both matches, some good points, high quality points.

Then I played a weaker opponent, decided to practice my kick serve because he cant return my 1st serve at all.

Anyway long story short I won 6:2 6:3, but went away with a bit of bitter taste because I really should have won 6:0 6:0

I really struggled the most with his extremely junk balls, I dont know how to describe them otherwise.

He struggled alot with my kick that kicked right and also during groundstroke exchanges alot of times, the ball caught him by suprize and he kind of blocked it in a weird crounched way completely close to his body or something and alot of times the ball had extremely weird deflections and bounces.

Like it deflected at an sharp angle away from the court on the sideline at service line, or deflected short alot of times extremely low over the net and barely bounced up at all close to net.

I was of course having quite a bit of problems and had quite alot of errors on these balls because im not used to them at all, never practiced them much.

What do you guys do with these balls?

1.Extremely low over the net slow barely bounces up
2.weird deflection at an angle that u can barely or cant even get to
3.weird spins that make the ball bounce extremely weird
First thought concerns that portion of your OP that I bolded. One of the hot topics in tennis coaching these days is "the other S-word" and it's rooted more between the ears than mechanically hitting a ball. Try to be aware of the mental trap of assuming that your match should go a certain way for you. Two bad things that can happen in a hurry are:

1) You can quickly get complacent and lazy.

2) You can panic and lose your head as soon as the match doesn't go as easily as you expect.

When somebody is hitting me weird and junky shots, the thought that helps me the most is to remember to never try to add more than about 5% pace to any ball. A slow incoming shot doesn't have much energy on it that we can redirect, so trying to add a lot of pace to a ball and also hit it with accuracy is rather tricky.

Slow balls aren't easy to crush unless maybe they're short in the court and sitting up enough to allow us to hit into a rather large target. If a junk ball is lower and perhaps further away from the net, trying to whack that one is a sucker shot - an easy one to spray into our opponent's point donation fund.

I'm comfortable with slicing on either side, so slower junky stuff is usually easy for me to hit with accuracy and consistency if I slice it. That's just me. Since I also love to make trouble up around the net, that off-speed stuff can offer great looks at hitting nice deep approach shots. I rarely every want to try to out-rally a junk baller. My patience is far from ironclad.
 
#24
The problem is that a good pusher/defender doesn't look or feel like a high quality player when you're playing against them. They may even be self-taught. (gasp!)

We'll talk more later this summer. Remember that pushers/junkballers are the gatekeepers of 4.0-4.5 tennis :)
That's so true, it takes more skill to play this way than a lot of people realize. I've gone out and tried to push before and it isn't as easy as it looks. It takes some practice to hit an easy ball back that keeps you out of trouble.
 
#25
I think ur footwork advice has alot of merit!!!

I actually noticed that my footwork was worse against him than better players, maybe because hes so much weaker and i was taking it lightly, you know what i mean? When ur not really that active with ur feet but more casual etc
I don’t think it’s because you were taking your opponent lightly.

You usually don’t need as many small adjustment steps against better players because they tend to hit deeper and/or their ball has enough pace and/or spin to reach you at the baseline. Against much weaker players, the ball often barely gets over because their technique isn’t good to begin with and now they aren’t getting clean contact so it forces you to take a lot of big steps to get to the ball and when you get close, it requires you to make a lot of small adjustment steps which you are not adept at doing yet. So as @nytennisaddict said, improve your footwork.
 
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#26
You seem to complain a lot about how you should be beating someone by larger margins but you're either tight or rusty or not feeling one hundred percent. It seems like you enjoy practicing big serves and forehands from the baseline, and you find excuses when you get out of your comfort zone.

Like other posters have mentioned, I think you need to play more. If you were working your way through lower level players these issues would have cropped up. People bunting the ball around the court is super frustrating and you seemingly have to run twice as hard as you chase balls around the court.
 
#27
Some players take you out of your preferred game style by sheer luck or accident. Other players are crafty enough to do it on purpose. You really have to check your ego at the gate when you play either type of player because trying to prop up your ego by hitting your favorite shots and winners over and over will lose you matches against the right(wrong) kind of player. There are guys that simply love to burst bubbles.

Also, it's really hard to hit good clean shots off whiffle ball type hits. In tennis, like many sports, you need to be prepared to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves, but you shouldn't try to create opportunities that aren't there.
 
#29
Some players just don’t match up well vs your style which can make things uncomfortable for you. You need to understand specifically which things make you uncomfortable and work on them because as @Kevo some players take you out of your preferred game by accident and better players will spot things that make you uncomfortable and then do it intentionally.
 
#30
Sounds like part of the problem is recognizing those shots early, and that you were getting caught by surprise. I think if you can spot that they are jammed, or have the face open, or are setting up for a slice you can start to move forward so you can get to the ball and hit a forehand.

The other thing is to resist the temptation to blast those balls (I'm not sure if that was a problem or not, but it is for a lot of people that play against pushers). If the ball to you is short then often it's better to angle those balls off the court short, or block slice the ball deep into the corner where they will have a very difficult shot if they can get to it at all.

I don't think you want to play their game, but you might not want to play your standard game either. It will require a little finesse.
Yes i was caught flat footed alot, partly because my footwork was casual and lazy and partly because of weird deflections or shanks.
 
#31
Actually, you usually don’t need as many small adjustment steps against better players because they tend to hit deeper and/or their ball has enough pace and/or spin to reach you at the baseline. Against much weaker players, the ball often barely gets over because their technique isn’t good to begin with and now they aren’t getting clean contact so it forces you to take a lot of big steps to get to the ball and when you get close, it requires you to make a lot of small adjustment steps which you are not adept at doing yet. So as @nytennisaddict said, improve your footwork.
Yes it was very weird, some balls that seemed like short sitters (shanks) i usualy set up and get good spacing when i serve well and get such a short ball, but these had weird spins and then i was set with my feet and the ball bounced into me or stuff like that.

Or caught flat footed and short slow just over the net ball i had to rush there and stretch forward and arm it over the net.
 
#33
Let me make sure I understand this thread, you were holding back your strokes, not 100% focused or intense, and playing in a casual mode, and you want to know why you didn't win 6-0, 6-0?

J
I was not holding back my serve just serving 2nd serves.
I was a bit casual with my footwork yes and not rly that focused because i took him lightly.
And i did not blast shots i was going for more placement and outplaying him because i didnt need alot, but these junk balls rly annoyed me and i was nevwr setup well and was arming them alot.
 
#34
Some players just don’t match up well vs your style which can make things uncomfortable for you. You need to understand specifically which things make you uncomfortable and work on them because as @Kevo some players take you out of your preferred game by accident and better players will spot things that make you uncomfortable and then do it intentionally.
Yes ur right i was not in my comfort zone, not used to these weird balls and the usual shots that work against the shots i usually face were not that effective.

For example got a few short slow balls thst bounced extremely low, rushed there and tried to swing fast and spin it over and in, but they were so close to net it was very hard to do so aggressively, a bit too less spin and too much drive and it was long, or if i was too stretched forward hit the net, then i changed and used dropshots on them etc.. basically yes i had to adjust my usual game
 
#35
Yes it was very weird, some balls that seemed like short sitters (shanks) i usualy set up and get good spacing when i serve well and get such a short ball, but these had weird spins and then i was set with my feet and the ball bounced into me or stuff like that.

Or caught flat footed and short slow just over the net ball i had to rush there and stretch forward and arm it over the net.
Like @nytennisaddict said; it’s footwork, footwork, footwork. Work with your coach on putting away really short balls that don’t go forward much.
 
#36
When i get more pace shots or spin shots its easier to predict them and when im setup well i can push my body into the ball.

These balls were hard to read and bounced and spun weird and many times into me and i was not setup well and had to arm them alot of times and lost control and everything.
 
#37
I was not holding back my serve just serving 2nd serves.
I was a bit casual with my footwork yes and not rly that focused because i took him lightly.
And i did not blast shots i was going for more placement and outplaying him because i didnt need alot, but these junk balls rly annoyed me and i was nevwr setup well and was arming them alot.
That’s holding back. :-D
 
#38
Like @nytennisaddict said; it’s footwork, footwork, footwork. Work with your coach on putting away really short balls that don’t go forward much.
Yeah for sure, need to kind of shift my mentality to have extremely active feet, it was just hard with this opponent u know, because his normal shots were normal shots, but slow and easy for me, so my feet were casual, didnt need to move fast and be very active with them, was lightly and casual, saving energy, and i was outplaying him like that easily... but the problem was that inbetween these shanks or weird balls happened, and then i was caught off guard, hopefully you can relate to what i mean.
 
#39
Yeah for sure, need to kind of shift my mentality to have extremely active feet, it was just hard with this opponent u know, because his normal shots were normal shots, but slow and easy for me, so my feet were casual, didnt need to move fast and be very active with them, was lightly and casual, saving energy, and i was outplaying him like that easily... but the problem was that inbetween these shanks or weird balls happened, and then i was caught off guard, hopefully you can relate to what i mean.
You need to stop making excuses. You know what you need to work on. Just Do It.
 
#40
When I used to play competitively, these guys really bugged me a ton. Having said that, I used to mess around with a good buddy of mine who had a huge serve. I got really good at drop returning his serve which drove him nuts.

And to your point, there is no remedy aside from patience dealing with junk-ballers.. it is what it is.
 
#41
Example

I hit 2nd serve, he actually returns a soft ball but a bit deeper
My feet are more upright, not rly athletic stance, casual
I stroll hut an angle move him off court
Win point

2nd point starts similar
Casual and upright, strolling a bit
*shank* and weird bounce just over net
Caught off guard and like *crap* lol
 
#42
Example

I hit 2nd serve, he actually returns a soft ball but a bit deeper
My feet are more upright, not rly athletic stance, casual
I stroll hut an angle move him off court
Win point

2nd point starts similar
Casual and upright, strolling a bit
*shank* and weird bounce just over net
Caught off guard and like *crap* lol
The weird shanks are tough for anyone to handle. Just get those back in play and attack the more normal ones.
 

J011yroger

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#43
Example

I hit 2nd serve, he actually returns a soft ball but a bit deeper
My feet are more upright, not rly athletic stance, casual
I stroll hut an angle move him off court
Win point

2nd point starts similar
Casual and upright, strolling a bit
*shank* and weird bounce just over net
Caught off guard and like *crap* lol
What was your goal?

Do you want to beat lower level players 0&0 without looking like you are trying?

Just become a S&V player.

J
 

time_fly

Professional
#44
What do you guys do with these balls?

1.Extremely low over the net slow barely bounces up
2.weird deflection at an angle that u can barely or cant even get to
3.weird spins that make the ball bounce extremely weird
1. Dig it out with a counter-slice. If they do it a lot, try to be unpredictable in terms of shoveling it back deep, going short-angle cross court, and hitting a counter-drop shot so they don't know which way to run when they see you coming in to scoop it out.
2. If you can't get to it ... hit the gym / track for some speed work? Otherwise say "nice shot" in a really sarcastic voice.
3. Watch the spin carefully and be balanced on your toes, ready to make adjustment steps.

The best bet with these types of players is not to give them a lot of pace to work with, especially not balls that land short even if they are hit hard. They love to block-chip your heavy shots and deflect them all over the place. Go more for depth, topspin, and moderate pace until you get something you can really attack.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
#46
1. Dig it out with a counter-slice. If they do it a lot, try to be unpredictable in terms of shoveling it back deep, going short-angle cross court, and hitting a counter-drop shot so they don't know which way to run when they see you coming in to scoop it out.
2. If you can't get to it ... hit the gym / track for some speed work? Otherwise say "nice shot" in a really sarcastic voice.
3. Watch the spin carefully and be balanced on your toes, ready to make adjustment steps.

The best bet with these types of players is not to give them a lot of pace to work with, especially not balls that land short even if they are hit hard. They love to block-chip your heavy shots and deflect them all over the place. Go more for depth, topspin, and moderate pace until you get something you can really attack.
Too much work.

J
 
#48
What was your goal?

Do you want to beat lower level players 0&0 without looking like you are trying?

Just become a S&V player.

J
Not so much that, more of an ego thing i guess like someone mentioned.
My shot causing him problems then he deflects it back somehow, an "easy" shot, and i end up missing it.
Kind of embarassing tbh.
 
#50
1. Ensure you are fundamentally solid with setup and execution with "ball machine balls", or balls you don't have to move for.
2. For balls you have to move for, try to get setup as well as you do for shots like (1) above. In other words "footwork".
3. Be sure you are using "rotational" as opposed to "straight line" force. Often when we are hurried or out of position, we revert back to straight line (often "arming" the ball).
4. Be sure you are still "rolling the ball forward" with your stroke as opposed to "hitting it". Stroking vs. hitting in other words.

I think if you do these things, you should be fine.
 
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