What to do against junk balls

zaph

Semi-Pro
So far zero people have come up with the answer.

J
There is no magic solution. The problem is too much coaching is about hitting nice predictable balls. I watch a bit of coaching at our club and even when they move forward they are given nice rhythmic stuff to practice approach shots and volleys against.

Then the same player comes across junkballers and pushers. Ball with no pace that stop dead, die in the court, have wicked side spin. They don't know what to do, however they still believe they are the better player because they play like the guys on the telly. So they try to bash their way through their opponent and lose.

The answer is simple enough, respect junkballers and pushers. You learn to play against them by playing them. Eventually you get use to how their shots behave and you can control them. Once you can control them you can put more pace on them and then you start to win.

There is no magic solution, it is just good old practice.
 
So far zero people have come up with the answer.

J
People might start to figure it out in few years when the next dominant World #1 player is a softballing junk baller who feasts on the sorry next gen guys who can’t volley. After that all the young kids will grow up wanting to become pro junk ballers, so eventually everyone will be more used to playing against this style, and it’s possible that a successful counter approach will emerge.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
People might start to figure it out in few years when the next dominant World #1 player is a softballing junk baller who feasts on the sorry next gen guys who can’t volley. After that all the young kids will grow up wanting to become pro junk ballers, so eventually everyone will be more used to playing against this style, and it’s possible that a successful counter approach will emerge.
You are thinking of the second best solution.

J
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I

I mentioned it in your practice video thread, but one of your weaknesses is moving to the ball and executing your stroke. Cooperative hitting sessions don't give good practice on short/angled/off-speed stuff like you're struggling with. If you work with a coach they can feed you short balls...or even group workouts, often they do a lot of approach/volley type drills and they feed short balls. Make you really run to balls.

Also how's your net game? Another tendency for rec playeys is to practice baseline to the detriment of volleys. Often players in the 3.5 to 4.5 range will have very underdeveloped volleys. This will make you less comfortable approaching... And more wanting to put away the short sitter, rather than hitting a well placed deep ball then putting away the next volley.
Started working alot lately on short balls and aproaches and also volleys and return of serve, its just that currently im not practicing much for about a month still, but after that we will continue where we left off with this.

How can i tell u how my volleys are, they were probably 1 out of 10 like 6 months ago, now probably 5 out of 10, getting there but lot of repetition still left.
 
How can i tell u how my volleys are, they were probably 1 out of 10 like 6 months ago, now probably 5 out of 10, getting there but lot of repetition still left.
My volleys were 9 out of 10 last week, but only 4 out 10 yesterday because my stringbed got too soft. Most people don’t realize that volley is the most equipment-sensitive shot in tennis. The serve is the least.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
If you are better than someone you shouldn't have to work harder than them to win.

J
This is true all the better guys I play don’t work near as hard as I do just trying to hang with them. Come on J quit teasing us and tell us the secret.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
This is true all the better guys I play don’t work near as hard as I do just trying to hang with them. Come on J quit teasing us and tell us the secret.
There are actually three ways I know of to effortlessly beat these players.

The old school way, the country club pro way, and the tournament player way.

J
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
There are actually three ways I know of to effortlessly beat these players.

The old school way, the country club pro way, and the tournament player way.

J
You are too funny J. I would think old school way would be SnV. Not sure about country club pro way I would think you mean to blast the ball hard enough to eat the junk baller up. I don’t know what the tournament player way would be.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Brief explanation of each?
Well old school players would never have an issue against them because not everyone hit the same way back then and if an opponent couldn't generate pace or hit accurate passing shots they would just S&V/C&C and mop up all of the opponent's bogus shots before they could hit the ground.

The country club pro spends his entire day playing these guys so he can't be wasting energy, or making the hits or matches not fun for his members so he just plays the same style as the opponent and does it a little bit better.

The tournament player give zero hecks if his opponent has fun and wants to win as easily and quickly as possible to save energy for his next match, so he will play a style that neuters his opponent. Usually the junker will effectively quit, abandoning his game and piling up errors going for low % shots.

J
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
You are too funny J. I would think old school way would be SnV. Not sure about country club pro way I would think you mean to blast the ball hard enough to eat the junk baller up. I don’t know what the tournament player way would be.
No, people don't pay if you blast them off the court.

J
 
D

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So what you're telling us is your opponent should switch to full on junk balling to beat you next time. Got it.
lol, kinda true...
if i played @FiReFTW today, know what i know from this thread, i'd definitely dink and lob, and generally junk ball him.
There are actually three ways I know of to effortlessly beat these players.

The old school way, the country club pro way, and the tournament player way.

J
option d please,... the wanna-be-a-playa-rec-hacker-way :)
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
lol, kinda true...
if i played @FiReFTW today, know what i know from this thread, i'd definitely dink and lob, and generally junk ball him.

option d please,... the wanna-be-a-playa-rec-hacker-way :)
You have the perfect game to mop up the hackers, you just have to resist the temptation to make yourself struggle.

Re: Playing @FiReFTW if you can beat him in such a way that he thinks he had the right strategy but just didn't execute it well enough then he will go practice that wrong strategy and you get to beat him again for free the next time.

It's kind of like how you can judge the intelligence of someone by how many times they get back together with their ex.

J
 
D

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It's an art, you have to make them feel like they played well and lost 6-0.

J
hehe first time i played a tourney... got to 2nd round, and got to play an ex-davis cup guy.
in the warmups, i was "crushing" the ball... i'm pretty sure i won the warmups
0,1 later, i was sitting there, scratching my head, mumbling to myself, "but i won the warmups..."

in retrospect, the guy didn't do ANYTHING fancy... 3/4 pace, to back 3rd of the court,... kept me off balance the entire time... waited til i hit a short ball, walked to net, finish with volley/oh... easy peasy 0 and 1
the "1" i got was serving lights out for one game... i think i surprised him by getting it in.
 
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