What to do when captain puts me with weak partners?

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
One thing often missed in Doubles play, the smarter pair will will always try to target the weaker player of the opposing pair.

If there is a big difference in standard between two players in a Doubles pair, the stronger player is going to be the one that "suffers" the most as a result, and usually by a long way.

The stronger player can only do so much to compensate for the weaker player. As I suggested earlier, if the stronger player has a great serve, its advantageous effects will be mitigated by a weak partner who can't take advantage of that.

Look at the greatest Double pairings in the history of the game. Both players were usually excellent tennis players that understood their partners games intimately so that they could take advantage of each other's strengths, cover each other's weaknesses, and together come up with solutions to tennis problems, But the key was that they were both excellent players,
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
There's also the fact that a captain must sometimes knowingly sacrifice a match for the greater chance of winning the entire night of matches.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
One thing often missed in Doubles play, the smarter pair will will always try to target the weaker player of the opposing pair.

If there is a big difference in standard between two players in a Doubles pair, the stronger player is going to be the one that "suffers" the most as a result, and usually by a long way.

The stronger player can only do so much to compensate for the weaker player. As I suggested earlier, if the stronger player has a great serve, its advantageous effects will be mitigated by a weak partner who can't take advantage of that.

Look at the greatest Double pairings in the history of the game. Both players were usually excellent tennis players that understood their partners games intimately so that they could take advantage of each other's strengths, cover each other's weaknesses, and together come up with solutions to tennis problems, But the key was that they were both excellent players,
Why do uneven pairings do best in mixed then?

Obviously two great players are better than one great player and one crappy player but a lot of the time a great player can carry a crappy player over two mediocre players.

J
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
Hmm... a 23 year old who practices 40 hours per week and also coaches.... but is only a 4.0... and not strong enough of a 4.0 to carry a weaker player...

Something doesn’t add up.
 

LGQ7

Hall of Fame
Either that or take it as a personal challenge to carry the inferior player.
What kind of Communist non-sense is this? In work, in life, where is it that you carry a weaker performer? In WWE the more talented tag team wrestler dump the less talented wrestler all the time. Even in an ensemble, like the Rockettes, you are interviewed and tested individually before you are hired, as an individual.
 

gmatheis

Hall of Fame
Why do uneven pairings do best in mixed then?

Obviously two great players are better than one great player and one crappy player but a lot of the time a great player can carry a crappy player over two mediocre players.

J
From the uneven pairings I have run into the lower level player is usually an "above level" player. At the very least they are usually a very "consistent" player for their level, meaning they may have less weapons but keep the ball in play longer than other people at their level so their higher level partner gets involved before the point ends.
 

NTRPolice

Hall of Fame
The problem with higher level tennis is that it's easier to single out the weaker player. When you're a 2.5 or 3.0, you dont really have the tools to attack a weaker player and a more athletic player for that level can cover a lot more court. So, in some sense, I feel for you, because at the 4.0 level the stronger player can easily be excluded from from points where they target the weaker player.

However, as a 4.0 you should be decent enough to formulate a decent strategy even with the worst players. I'm not saying you'll be able to win, but you should be able to put up a good fight. The worst thing to do is letting something broken continue to be broken without trying to fix it and then getting upset about it. The captain has a lot of things to think about when they make a lineup. Maybe you're supposed to be carrying and the captain puts you with weak players so at least they have a chance to win in the few matches they play. Maybe the captain looked at your game and thought you'd work well with those players. Maybe your captain uses a ouija board to make lineups.

Cut down on your errors and try to construct points where your partner can help you. If you think you're going to carry by crushing return winners and serving aces but make a ton of UE's then you've got the wrong strategy. It's also entirely possible that your opponents were just better.
 

DE19702

Rookie
The original poster has gotten a lot of unfair criticism. All he is saying is that he is frustrated losing with partners of lesser skill. Who is going to deny losing all of the time is frustrating. Playing with people with less skill all of the time is frustrating. But the bottom line is that he's probably not as good as he thinks he is. A captain is not going to pair a high level 4.0 with a bottom level 4.0.
 
The original poster has gotten a lot of unfair criticism. All he is saying is that he is frustrated losing with partners of lesser skill. Who is going to deny losing all of the time is frustrating. Playing with people with less skill all of the time is frustrating.
It was 2 matches. And one was with an injured partner. That does not qualify to me as "all of the time".

If 2 matches is an eternity, then he ought to play singles only or play tournaments where he can pick his partner.

I get frustrated losing but it's less to do with my inferior partner than my failure to do what was needed to help the team win. And I fully recognize that I'M the inferior partner at times.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Let's suppose Player C > Player B > Player A

A: Will you play with me Player B?
B: I only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
A: But I want to become better!
B: (...) Go away.

(C overheard the above exchange between A and B.)

B: Will you play with me Player C?
C: I also only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
B: But I want to become better!
C: That is what A said.

Bonus Question: Which player is the OP? ;)
Well, I understand your point there. but it is true that in USTA teams, there are various different levels of players even on the same level team. So if are playing with someone significantly worse than you then you really shouldn't be playing #1 spot for sure, more at #3 spot is more fair. but then if you playing against the BEST teams in the division, that won't matter. you may be at significant disadvantage even at #3 spot. But then if you play with someone better than you or equal, then you will have to play #1 spot. so you have to pick. Play with someone stronger or equal and play at #1 spot or play with someone worse than you at #3 spot ?
 

LGQ7

Hall of Fame
...if everyone was rated exactly the same. Since they're not, performance is further determined by the relative strengths of the opponents.
The Elo Equation does just that. That's what it is invented for. It gives/takes points depending on the difference of the ratings.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
The original poster has gotten a lot of unfair criticism. All he is saying is that he is frustrated losing with partners of lesser skill. Who is going to deny losing all of the time is frustrating. Playing with people with less skill all of the time is frustrating. But the bottom line is that he's probably not as good as he thinks he is. A captain is not going to pair a high level 4.0 with a bottom level 4.0.
I think the OP got a lot of constructive criticism about how to deal with the situation other than whinging on an internet forum. Sometimes you will be the stronger partner and sometimes the weaker. You will lose in tennis. Those are important lessons to learn from.

i've had many matches in my life I knew I was the inferior player/team. They are opportunities to challenge yourself and learn about your weaknesses. If two such matches have you complaining already, you definitely have things to learn. As the saying goes, "You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories."
 

MRfStop

Hall of Fame
I play in a 4.0 mens league and for the last two matches my captain put me with two inferior partners who cost us the matches both times. I'm one of the stronger players on the team and I prefer playing with partners who are equal or stronger than me, I cant stand being made to 'carry' weak people like a pack horse. What do I do? Should I make a request to my captain or just bow out of all future matches? Any suggestions?
I was in the same boat as you this past weekend. I played in our state tournament and I played 4.0 singles at 9:00am and 4.0 low singles at 3:30pm. After the 2nd singles match I let my captain that I would be available for the 3rd and final match on Sunday since I wouldn't be playing with my 4.0 team on Sunday. Saturday night I received a text from my captain asking if I could play singles on sunday. I told him "No, I would rather play doubles if I can". He let me play doubles but it was with the worst player on the team so we lost 4-3.

The only reason I was asked to play two lines of singles was because I am the 2nd youngest player on the team not because I am particularly better than any one on my team at it.
 
Unfortunately the OP's type exists in the real world. And usually that guy isn't even the stronger player, he just thinks he is.
 

OrangePower

Legend
I'm captaining a team and a recent back-and-forth with a player reminded me of this thread...

I'm talking with one of the guys who is currently 0-3 on the season. For context, he is a good but not great player, and usually bats around 0.600 or so.
Anyway, he mentions his record and asks "what are we going to do about it". His insinuation was that I was not partnering him with our strongest players. Which is true - I was partnering him with players of around the same level as him. Usually I like to keep the strongest players together to guarantee a win, plus, he is not the easiest person to play with because he is a bit of a hothead both personality wise and in terms of his play style (aggressive but erratic).
I just told him to hang in there and the wins will come; just luck of the draw that all his opponents so far have been top pairs. (In my league line number doesn't mean much since captains almost never play lines in strength order.)

Every time I captain I tell myself it's the last time I'm going to do it, and then somehow I always end up getting suckered into doing it again... o_O
 
I'm captaining a team and a recent back-and-forth with a player reminded me of this thread...

I'm talking with one of the guys who is currently 0-3 on the season. For context, he is a good but not great player, and usually bats around 0.600 or so.
Anyway, he mentions his record and asks "what are we going to do about it". His insinuation was that I was not partnering him with our strongest players. Which is true - I was partnering him with players of around the same level as him. Usually I like to keep the strongest players together to guarantee a win, plus, he is not the easiest person to play with because he is a bit of a hothead both personality wise and in terms of his play style (aggressive but erratic).
I just told him to hang in there and the wins will come; just luck of the draw that all his opponents so far have been top pairs. (In my league line number doesn't mean much since captains almost never play lines in strength order.)

Every time I captain I tell myself it's the last time I'm going to do it, and then somehow I always end up getting suckered into doing it again... o_O
I like how he uses the word "we", as if his record is somehow your fault. True, if you paired him with weak partners he could have some basis for complaining but if he expects you to always pair him with one of the strongest guys, he's somewhat delusional.
 
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