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What kind of league plays out the third set instead of a 10 pointer?He swore he was feeling good today. It was a 3 set match 4-6, 6-1, 6-7 (5) so it went on for a good while
What kind of league plays out the third set instead of a 10 pointer?He swore he was feeling good today. It was a 3 set match 4-6, 6-1, 6-7 (5) so it went on for a good while
What kind of league plays out the third set instead of a 10 pointer?
23yo training 40 hours a week and 4.0. he started playing on his 23rd birthday.
No I have been playing since I was 15 and coaching since I was 19.
What kind of league plays out the third set instead of a 10 pointer?
Last I checked, league tennis is a team sport.
If you are not good enough to win with a weak partner then you are not good enough to win period. The expectation on you as the stronger player is to perform perfectly.
I had a match with a very weak partner but we still manage to win three games (keeping my own serve and breaking them two times). I wasn't playing well either. If you are very good the flow of the game changes with your every shot. You are probably not good enough so don't blame on the weaker player.
I thought the main goal of playing organised sport is to actually "win".
In a team based sport, structuring the team to maximise the chance of winning actually increases the probability of "winning".
League Tennis is a team BASED sport, it isn't actually a team sport in the true sense of the word. If it was, the best player in the Doubles pairing could serve every Service game. Also, players could swap in and out during matches to maximise the chances of winning.
IMO, you are being a bit harsh. He is not the problem. His Captain is the problem. Obviously not a very good leader if he cannot identify this situation without having it pointed out to him. Or perhaps the Captain is focusing more on his own matches and winning himself.
Suggesting that a significantly stronger player should be responsible for carrying a significantly weaker player in Doubles shows a total lack of understanding of how the game is played at a truly competitive level.
You say you played with a very weak partner but still managed to win three games. Did you win the match?
@Tennisguy102 , you have every right to expect that you can play at a certain level and be paired with a partner who is at a similar level. If your Captain is unwilling or unable to accommodate you, start looking elsewhere for something more suitable. Sure, you might have to play with a weaker player every now and again. But playing with one week in, week out, will certainly hurt your game over the medium to long term if you are serious about playing tennis competitively.
You overlook the minor detail that you have to actually win matches to be considered good, you can't just think you are good and blame your partner when you lose.
Let's say you belong on court 1 and your captain doesn't know it so he puts you on 3 with someone who belongs on 3 against two people who belong on 3. You should win almost every match, and your opponents should complain to your captain about stacking and your partner will probably say something too.
Then you will get a shot on court 2 and you will probably win and your captain will be surely paying attention. Then you will become the first alternate when one of the established court 1 players can't make a match.
This is how you gain clout in the real world.
J
I thought this was TT
I would hate to have a player like OP on my team.
I thought the main goal of playing organised sport is to actually "win".
In a team based sport, structuring the team to maximise the chance of winning actually increases the probability of "winning".
League Tennis is a team BASED sport, it isn't actually a team sport in the true sense of the word. If it was, the best player in the Doubles pairing could serve every Service game. Also, players could swap in and out during matches to maximise the chances of winning.
Wait, aren't you the TT captain?On TT your captain is a moron and your partner sucks.
J
The main goal of organized sport is to develop teamwork and sportsmanship. Winning is a secondary goal as it has no value to more important life endeavors such as work and family life. Teamwork and sportsmanship, however, can be valuable assets in real life interactions.
It is the Captain's job to structure the team to increase winning odds and foster teamwork. While it is fine to allow input from team players, the final decision must rest on someone and that should be the captain or delegate. Otherwise chaos ensues and no one wins anything. It is the player's jobs to foster winning attitudes and good play from all team members which they do so by encouraging others, not whining, being positive and playing their best.
if you view league tennis as an individual sport in which you play on a team, please tell me how that is more conducive to winning than a team of good sports and good team mates?
You overlook the minor detail that you have to actually win matches to be considered good, you can't just think you are good and blame your partner when you lose.
J
OK. So you and I are playing Doubles together. You have a very good Serve and great volleying skills. Me, I'm a poor Server and wouldn't know how to volley a ball even if it was hanging from a string right in front of me.
We play a game. You make every first serve and draw a weak return that floats into my eyeline at the Net. Every volley I hit either goes into the net or goes out, Later in the match when it is my turn to serve, I Double fault at least two points every game and most other serves are returned with interest.
How is this situation getting you any closer to "winning" more matches? How is this situation an example of a competitive Team sport?
Firstly, I respect your view that "work" and "family life" are more important life endeavours than "winning". But that view is being challenged in the 21st Century. I believe the previous generations' mindset that life was mostly about "work" and "family" has fuelled the view that "winning" is more important and of greater value than most things simply because "Everyone loves a winner!".
Modern society is "Dog Eat Dog". Competition in Life is greater than it has ever been. And while I despise that ideology, it is a key driver of modern life. In life there are both "winners" and "losers".
Hence, it is only natural that would extend into things that were previously seen as recreational pastimes like sport.
Anyway, you yourself say it is the Captain's job to structure the team to increase the winning odds! If one is not concerned about "winning" then that role would not be necessary.
Finally, I believe League Tennis is an individual sport because TENNIS is an individual sport. Otherwise, as I said earlier, if Tennis were truly a team sport, then in Doubles, the best player would serve all the Services games.
The win at all costs guys don’t play tennis, are on their 3rd wives and think we are all impressed with their Lambo when we really just think they are a dick.
Let's suppose Player C > Player B > Player A
A: Will you play with me Player B?
B: I only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
A: But I want to become better!
B: (...) Go away.
(C overheard the above exchange between A and B.)
B: Will you play with me Player C?
C: I also only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
B: But I want to become better!
C: That is what A said.
Bonus Question: Which player is the OP?
Elo Rating System. You win, your rating goes up, you play better players. You lose, your rating goes down, you play worse player. Perfectly fair. Mathematically, mechanically fair.
"Win at all costs" people aren't "winners" at all in my book.
But I do subscribe to Brad Gilbert's view that playing tennis and winning is a lot more fun than playing tennis and losing!
Of course, I play tennis to have fun but I can certainly relate to what Brad has said.
The irony of all of this is that most serious tennis players are a lot more miserable when they lose than they are happy when they win. So perhaps it is more about losing NOT being fun than winning being fun
Either that or take it as a personal challenge to carry the inferior player.It's simple. Tell the captain that you won't play with certain people, and if he puts you with them, you won't play. Yes, you'll come off as a jerk, but if you are concerned about moving up to the next level, sometimes you have to be a jerk.
Let's suppose Player C > Player B > Player A
A: Will you play with me Player B?
B: I only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
A: But I want to become better!
B: (...) Go away.
(C overheard the above exchange between A and B.)
B: Will you play with me Player C?
C: I also only want to play with someone equal or stronger than me.
B: But I want to become better!
C: That is what A said.
Bonus Question: Which player is the OP?
I think we all like to win. But I really have the most fun winning when me and my team play well and I help lift my teammates to better play.
It's simple. Tell the captain that you won't play with certain people, and if he puts you with them, you won't play. Yes, you'll come off as a jerk, but if you are concerned about moving up to the next level, sometimes you have to be a jerk.
THIS. I had a dubs match last week -- one of the most fun, highly competitive, action-filled matches I can recall in a loooong time...this match had everything. We lost in a match tie break 12-10 and all I can remember is 2-3 really cool winners, but overall I just remember it being FUN.
A real USTA veteran would have known to hook at 9-9.
J
#amateurhourA real USTA veteran would have known to hook at 9-9.
J
Do you know for a fact there are players that are equal or Better than you on the team ?? If so, tell the captain, you would rather play with one of the stronger guys on the team. But you will have to play #1 spot or at the very least #2 spot. Usually when I put strong player with Weak player, it is at #3 doubles spot. if you are being put in at #1 spot with one of the weakest player on the team,, then there is something wrong with that picture. but is that what is happening with your situation ?I play in a 4.0 mens league and for the last two matches my captain put me with two inferior partners who cost us the matches both times. I'm one of the stronger players on the team and I prefer playing with partners who are equal or stronger than me, I cant stand being made to 'carry' weak people like a pack horse. What do I do? Should I make a request to my captain or just bow out of all future matches? Any suggestions?
Not all captains are created equal. Some of them have no clue how to create a roster or set a lineup. It goes both ways.
Not disagreeing! You're preaching to the choir. Still, sometimes you get caught off guard with a new captain that you don't know. Lesson learned. Captaining is definitely not for everyone.And not all nfl coaches are Bill Belichek. You still have to listen to them and abide by their rules. If you think you can do a better job than your captain, then captain a team.
I think disrespecting someone that is doing this kind of work for free is pretty callous. If you think he’s doing a lousy job offer to help him out. Gain his respect then offer your input. Don’t just whine about what a lousy captain you have. It’s already a thankless job.
I think if the better player hogs the ball then yes but it might seem rude.If you are not good enough to win with a weak partner then you are not good enough to win period. The expectation on you as the stronger player is to perform perfectly.
I had a match with a very weak partner but we still manage to win three games (keeping my own serve and breaking them two times). I wasn't playing well either. If you are very good the flow of the game changes with your every shot. You are probably not good enough so don't blame on the weaker player.