What to do when you are 100% SURE the ball was in?

Do what I do, put on a jew fro wig, a headband, and confront them. Tell them they cannot be serious, repeat for emphasis, and tell them that ball was on the line. Make hand gestures portraying chalk flying up, and tell them it was clearly in, and that "Everyone in this whole club can see that was in, and you call it out?!" That'll get the message across.
 
Be humble. I've been listening to an audiobook, "The Invisible Gorilla". They discuss how often people are very certain, yet are wrong anyhow. Look at how often players issue a challenge, only to find out (most of the time) that the original call was correct.

If pros can be wrong about calls, so can you.
 
What do you guys do when your oppponent calls a ball out on you that you CLEARLY saw as 100% in? Do you just let it go or what? This happened to me the other day. I hit a crosscourt winner and was looking "straight on" at the left sideline and saw the ball totally inside the line...not evern partially out. My opponent was running back from the other side of the court and got a sideways view of the ball. He called it out and I just stood there in amazement. I NEVER argue a close call, but this wasn't even close to me. If I had ANY doubt, I would let it go in a second, but I couldn't let this one go. He took the point and continued serving and I was so angry I lost the next several points in a row and then lost the match.

How do you guys deal with something like this? It was a pivotal point and
I feel we should have replayed the point at the very least.

I would focus on the next point. it's like dealing with ex-gf. it's in the past. right or wrong, move on.
 
What do you guys do when your oppponent calls a ball out on you that you CLEARLY saw as 100% in? Do you just let it go or what? This happened to me the other day. I hit a crosscourt winner and was looking "straight on" at the left sideline and saw the ball totally inside the line...not evern partially out. My opponent was running back from the other side of the court and got a sideways view of the ball. He called it out and I just stood there in amazement. I NEVER argue a close call, but this wasn't even close to me. If I had ANY doubt, I would let it go in a second, but I couldn't let this one go. He took the point and continued serving and I was so angry I lost the next several points in a row and then lost the match.

How do you guys deal with something like this? It was a pivotal point and
I feel we should have replayed the point at the very least.


I play a guy regularly who calls everything near the line out (even though it's in). He is a weaker player than me so I don't mind. I have actually begun to regard it as funny.

I played a player yesterday in our area ladder match who did just the opposite. There were serves of mine I thought were out and shots down the line that were just out that he would call in.

I questioned him a few time and he said he was sure they caught the line.
On one when I insisted my serve was out he told me to play a let first serve.

I did the same for his line shots as it was not really material in the outcome of the match. This was the first time I met and played this gentleman.
I have a new tennis buddy now.
 
Be humble. I've been listening to an audiobook, "The Invisible Gorilla". They discuss how often people are very certain, yet are wrong anyhow. Look at how often players issue a challenge, only to find out (most of the time) that the original call was correct.

If pros can be wrong about calls, so can you.

Your example actually works against you, because there are a larger number of calls the pros don't question because they can see the ball was clearly out, too. That implies the converse: That balls can be seen as clearly in.

That's what "100% SURE" means in the thread title. We aren't talking about guys making close calls we wish had gone the other way. We're talking about blantant cheating, as in a DTL shot landing clearly in view, 6" - 8" inside the sideline, getting called out.
 
Nice non sequitur.

Incidently, 97.375% of all statistics are made up.

I was trying to be polite.

What I was thinking and meant to say was: "Lots of people are 100% sure about themselves before they received their darwin awards."
 
^^^ "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, and the intelligent have doubts." -- Bertrand Russell

True that is -- but it doesn't mean that every case of asserting certainty means you're stupid or about to come up on the wrong side of natural selection.
 
I've played travel at the 4.5 level for a few years now and am amazed at the cheaters and just general "when in doubt it's out" players there are. In my experience you should bring it up immediately and even ask for a replay/let as you saw it was in clearly. Worse case scenario your opponent will decline and take the point but you at least planted the seed and brought it to their attention so they'd be less likely to try to get away with one again.

What do you guys do when your oppponent calls a ball out on you that you CLEARLY saw as 100% in? Do you just let it go or what? This happened to me the other day. I hit a crosscourt winner and was looking "straight on" at the left sideline and saw the ball totally inside the line...not evern partially out. My opponent was running back from the other side of the court and got a sideways view of the ball. He called it out and I just stood there in amazement. I NEVER argue a close call, but this wasn't even close to me. If I had ANY doubt, I would let it go in a second, but I couldn't let this one go. He took the point and continued serving and I was so angry I lost the next several points in a row and then lost the match.

How do you guys deal with something like this? It was a pivotal point and
I feel we should have replayed the point at the very least.
 
I'm fairly new to the game. I was a golf pro for many years and became a high school English teacher last year. Assistant tennis coach was attached to the job and I started playing with my players and fell in love with the game. This aspect of the game has been pretty difficult for me. I played my first tournament as a 3.5 and won my first match and was in a tight second. My opponent made some pretty objectionable calls that I thought were awfully close, but I couldn't tell for sure (although EVERY one happened to be out!). But I practiced what I always preach to my players, don't whine about it and move on. However it boiled over when I was serving. I hit a serve down the center line that was so clearly in that there is no way he could have missed it. He called it wide and I defiantly finally said Dude, that ball was in by 2 inches. It didn't even touch line. I saw a lot of court between the ball and the line. He replied that he saw it and it was out. I started walking toward the net and told him that I was looking right down the line and it was not even close, the ball was in and that there is no way that if he saw it he could have seen it as out. He immediately suggested we replay the point which we did.

After experiencing it myself, I now tell my players that if they are sure of a call, stand their ground and don't bother with the "are you sure" garbage. Tell them that you saw that it was in and ask the opponent to be more aware of their calls. If that doesn't work, get someone over to call lines and then you don't have to worry about it. I think that we as tennis players put up with the hookers a little too much. This is hard for me because I live by the creed that if I think a ball is close, I call it in.
 
I'm fairly new to the game. I was a golf pro for many years and became a high school English teacher last year. Assistant tennis coach was attached to the job and I started playing with my players and fell in love with the game. This aspect of the game has been pretty difficult for me. I played my first tournament as a 3.5 and won my first match and was in a tight second. My opponent made some pretty objectionable calls that I thought were awfully close, but I couldn't tell for sure (although EVERY one happened to be out!). But I practiced what I always preach to my players, don't whine about it and move on. However it boiled over when I was serving. I hit a serve down the center line that was so clearly in that there is no way he could have missed it. He called it wide and I defiantly finally said Dude, that ball was in by 2 inches. It didn't even touch line. I saw a lot of court between the ball and the line. He replied that he saw it and it was out. I started walking toward the net and told him that I was looking right down the line and it was not even close, the ball was in and that there is no way that if he saw it he could have seen it as out. He immediately suggested we replay the point which we did.

After experiencing it myself, I now tell my players that if they are sure of a call, stand their ground and don't bother with the "are you sure" garbage. Tell them that you saw that it was in and ask the opponent to be more aware of their calls. If that doesn't work, get someone over to call lines and then you don't have to worry about it. I think that we as tennis players put up with the hookers a little too much. This is hard for me because I live by the creed that if I think a ball is close, I call it in.

If this was a USTA match you should not have replayed the point...the point was yours.
 
How it the point his if his opponent, who is the one making the call, insists it was out?

This year the rule is if your opponent shows any doubt about the call then the ball is good and there is no let. If he requested a let then he is showing doubt and the point can be claimed.
 
As I said, I am fairly new to the game and this guy seemed to know what he was talking about so I rolled with it. That was my first USTA tournament and I will not go in to my next one (next weekend, woo-hoo!) ignorant like I was in this one.
 
How it the point his if his opponent, who is the one making the call, insists it was out?

He insisted it was out until I approached the net and told him that the ball was in by several inches. There was a LOT of green between the ball and the line. He then said that we should replay the point. I did not say in my earlier post, but I did tell him that it was his call and point, but I did not see how he could have seen such a slow serve that was so in as out. I was pretty worked up after so many close/questionable calls. He then said that if we couldn't agree, we should replay the point. He seemed very sure of himself, so that's why I rolled with it. I did win the point but lost the match, but I didn't get hooked the rest of the day at least!
 
Life is too short to make every questionable call a life and death situation.

Move on, your paycheck does not depend on you winning.
 
Life is too short to make every questionable call a life and death situation.

Move on, your paycheck does not depend on you winning.

Maybe. But I will never just idly allow someone to cheat me. It doesn't matter if I'm playing for money. As a competitor, I don't understand the sit back and take it mentality. On top of that, I play with integrity and I expect it from my opponent. Should they show lack of, I'll call them on it. If you're just hitting around with a buddy, no big deal. But if you are in a tournament, and you have any sense of competitive spirit whatsoever, I don't see how you can just "move on".

And BTW, how did I make this life and death? I called the guy on making a horrible call after he had already made a string of bad calls.
 
Well I'll tell you this....the USTA wants everyone to play according to the rules and not let anything by. Believe me....I sent an e-mail to the Director of Adult League Tennis in NC last year complaining about the rules and made a statement about playing a let in this situation. His response back to me was that if I do that, then me and anyone found doing so will have their USTA membership revoked.
 
This year the rule is if your opponent shows any doubt about the call then the ball is good and there is no let. If he requested a let then he is showing doubt and the point can be claimed.

Sometimes in social matches I will say I definitely saw the ball out but will play a let as a compromise to avoid an unnecessary conflict. That's not an admission of doubt at all, but rather a diplomatic solution to a disagreement with a friend.
 
YOU can NEVER be 100% sure a ball you or your partner was in because there is so much data showing that your perception is influenced by your motivation -- i.e., we tend to see what we want to see. So since there will always be doubt, it should be a bit easier to accept the other side's call.
 
YOU can NEVER be 100% sure a ball you or your partner was in because there is so much data showing that your perception is influenced by your motivation -- i.e., we tend to see what we want to see. So since there will always be doubt, it should be a bit easier to accept the other side's call.

HUH ? ? ? ....
 
Sometimes in social matches I will say I definitely saw the ball out but will play a let as a compromise to avoid an unnecessary conflict. That's not an admission of doubt at all, but rather a diplomatic solution to a disagreement with a friend.

In a social match, yes...I play lets as well. But in a USTA match, no way....not since the USTA threatened to revoke my membership!
 
YOU can NEVER be 100% sure a ball you or your partner was in because there is so much data showing that your perception is influenced by your motivation -- i.e., we tend to see what we want to see. So since there will always be doubt, it should be a bit easier to accept the other side's call.

FAIL: By that logic, you can't be sure of calls on your side of the court either. Or their side, made by them. By that logic, the only thing to do is embrace your bias and call anything within a foot of the line "out" knowing that your opponents will do the same.
 
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