What to do when you see a guy slap a girl really hard

origmarm

Hall of Fame
"Do you need any help, miss?"
I reckon this is the best thing to do. I've seen one instance where some guy intervened in an argument and ended up being beaten up by both the guy and the girl! Especially in some British town centres on a Friday night this is sort of normal behaviour for a certain type of couple. Give the girl the option of help but don't assume.

Personally I'm not naive enough to believe that I'm some kind of ninja so I might not be of much use if the guy turned on me, I've seen enough bad situations like this to assume the worst. I'm relatively large but pretty non-aggressive. Typically this type of person is a bully though and tends to back down rapidly. If they don't you can always call the police and try and avoid being whacked until they get there.

Or set a bear on him.
I say we make a gorilla and a bear fight and the winner takes on the abusive turd :).
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
id rather he directed his anger my way. i can fight back alot better than she can. If you see it and do nothing you are no better than him.
But the guy is still going to keep wailing on the girl. Until she does something about it. So even if you beat the dude down 2 seconds from death its a waste of energy. Unless you get joy out of beating dudes up. Actually the guy would probably be so mad he got beat down he may beat the girl down even more.

If the girl however is ready to do somehtiing about it, I would help any way i could that didnt involve me giving her money.
 

subaru3169

Semi-Pro
But the guy is still going to keep wailing on the girl. Until she does something about it. So even if you beat the dude down 2 seconds from death its a waste of energy. Unless you get joy out of beating dudes up. Actually the guy would probably be so mad he got beat down he may beat the girl down even more.

If the girl however is ready to do somehtiing about it, I would help any way i could that didnt involve me giving her money.
that may be the problem though.. even cops won't feel the need to do anything unless she actually pressed charges.. but if there were visible signs of abuse, then it's pretty automatic
 

Eviscerator

Banned
I am not going to single out any one poster, but I have to wonder what happened to men being men.

If I see some guy knock the crap out of a woman, he had better be able to do the same to me because I am coming for him.
A minor push, light wrestling/grabbed arm, I will ask the woman if everything is ok, and only intervene if she requests help. If not then I will not get involved.
However if the guy slaps he silly, I don't care if she requests help, I am getting involved because no guy should ever abuse a woman, period.
 
I am not going to single out any one poster, but I have to wonder what happened to men being men.

If I see some guy knock the crap out of a woman, he had better be able to do the same to me because I am coming for him.
A minor push, light wrestling/grabbed arm, I will ask the woman if everything is ok, and only intervene if she requests help. If not then I will not get involved.
However if the guy slaps he silly, I don't care if she requests help, I am getting involved because no guy should ever abuse a woman, period.
What if a guy slaps a guy really hard? Would you get involved then?

It's actually sexist.
 

jmverdugo

Hall of Fame
I think that one shouldnt provided anymore help than try to separate them, stop the agression and call the police because (just) getting into a fight with the guy is only a momentary solution, will agravate the situation, and it only makes the "hero" feels better and go home with another story to tell, but what is going to happen with this girl after the "hero" is gone? Is the "hero" going to do any follow up to the situation? is he going to be there for the girl forever? I do not think so. Sometimes the best thing you can do for people is let them think and act in order to find a solution for their problem. If it is a smart girl this wont happen again. I am not saying "do not do anything" I am just saying: try to stop the situation and call the police.
 
I saw this clip on Turner Classic Movies channel where the 'leading lady' (outraged by whatever) lost her cool and slapped James Cagney across-the-kisser.

Maybe it was a generationally-accepted form of humor in that movie that had the sneering Cagney immediately slapping her back ...whack!...

....but imho:

Any man, ANY man who raises his hands and physically strikes a woman at WHATEVER moment is the "World's Smallest Man."

No excuse. Never an excuse. As for the argument that the abused woman will come to the defense of the devil she's in bed with.......she's an enabler. She has big-picture 'psycho' problems dealing with abuse that need to be addressed.

I mean really...who strikes the 'facia-bella' of a woman?

Who? :shock:
 

BMG

Rookie
I saw this clip on Turner Classic Movies channel where the 'leading lady' (outraged by whatever) lost her cool and slapped James Cagney across-the-kisser.

Maybe it was a generationally-accepted form of humor in that movie that had the sneering Cagney immediately slapping her back ...whack!...

....but imho:

Any man, ANY man who raises his hands and physically strikes a woman at WHATEVER moment is the "World's Smallest Man."

No excuse. Never an excuse. As for the argument that the abused woman will come to the defense of the devil she's in bed with.......she's an enabler. She has big-picture 'psycho' problems dealing with abuse that need to be addressed.

I mean really...who strikes the 'facia-bella' of a woman?

Who? :shock:
Booyeah!! Great post and I totally agree.
 

acehole

Banned
I saw this clip on Turner Classic Movies channel where the 'leading lady' (outraged by whatever) lost her cool and slapped James Cagney across-the-kisser.

Maybe it was a generationally-accepted form of humor in that movie that had the sneering Cagney immediately slapping her back ...whack!...

....but imho:

Any man, ANY man who raises his hands and physically strikes a woman at WHATEVER moment is the "World's Smallest Man."

No excuse. Never an excuse. As for the argument that the abused woman will come to the defense of the devil she's in bed with.......she's an enabler. She has big-picture 'psycho' problems dealing with abuse that need to be addressed.

I mean really...who strikes the 'facia-bella' of a woman?

Who? :shock:
while i admire the sentiment, and the passion and enthusiasm with which you present your arguement, i must respectfully disagree with you. to make so general a statement is admit a narrower field of vision.

you say never an excuse? if the husband of andrea yates found her drowning his children, and was physically unable to stop her by any other means than striking her, is he wrong to do so?

i can give you a dozen hypotheticals, or even real life occurrences, but instead i will tell you my opinion. chivalry is dead. we live in a new time when these types of sentiments simply do not hold up. there are gangs of girls and women that rob, and murder. they will not think twice about shooting you between the eyes. would you think twice about striking them.

again, i respect your view. for me it is entirely to general, and (no offense) slightly naive.
 

Eviscerator

Banned
What if a guy slaps a guy really hard? Would you get involved then?

It's actually sexist.
:roll:

Typical response from someone who either was not raised correctly, or does not have a pair. I try to avoid conflict, but I was raised like my father before me, and his father before him, to protect women. In a life threatening situation, it is women and children first, then the men fend for themselves. You can call it sexist or any other label you want to put on it, but I call it being a man.
As to your question about a guy getting slapped by another guy, if he is able bodied then no, I am not going to get involved unless it significantly escalates.
Even then I would want to know why the guy was getting slapped around as he may have deserved it. Now if it is an old man, a boy, or someone who obviously was being accosted by a criminal, I'd get involved in some fashion. If nothing else to break it up.
I am no "hero", but I am also no coward who will worry about getting a little scuffed up.
 

Eviscerator

Banned
while i admire the sentiment, and the passion and enthusiasm with which you present your arguement, i must respectfully disagree with you. to make so general a statement is admit a narrower field of vision.

you say never an excuse? if the husband of andrea yates found her drowning his children, and was physically unable to stop her by any other means than striking her, is he wrong to do so?

i can give you a dozen hypotheticals, or even real life occurrences, but instead i will tell you my opinion. chivalry is dead. we live in a new time when these types of sentiments simply do not hold up. there are gangs of girls and women that rob, and murder. they will not think twice about shooting you between the eyes. would you think twice about striking them.

again, i respect your view. for me it is entirely to general, and (no offense) slightly naive.

What exactly are you trying to prove using extreme and bizarre examples like Yates that have nothing to do with the OP's scenario?
 

acehole

Banned
What exactly are you trying to prove using extreme and bizarre examples like Yates that have nothing to do with the OP's scenario?
DP stated "no excuse, never an excuse." i'm saying that there are infinite scenarios in which there is not only an excuse, but a requirement. in much the same way as you are now, i was not responding to the OP, i did that on the first page.
 

Steady Eddy

Hall of Fame
What exactly are you trying to prove using extreme and bizarre examples like Yates that have nothing to do with the OP's scenario?
Using extreme examples is a useful thinking tool. Suppose you're considering taking a round-trip flight on the same day. Your plane goes 200 mph, but there's a 20 mph tailwind. On the return trip, suppose that will be a 20 mph headwind. Do the two cancel each other out? You could get a calculator and see, but we're saved this trouble by thinking about an extreme example. What if the wind were 200 mph? Heading out, our rate would be 400 mph, but on the return trip out our rate would be zero, so we can see that the wind doesn't just cancel out both ways.

Or, the wealthy playboy who asked his companion if she'd let him for $ million. She said that she would. He countered, "How about for $100?". She replied, "No, what do you think I am?" He said, "I know what you are, now we're discussing the price."! In this case the extreme example showed what she was, now he wants to know at what point does "no" become "yes". The Yates example makes the same point to you. At what point does hitting become acceptable? Recall the adage, "never say never".
 
Last time I saw a guy slap/ hit a girl I ended up in jail becuase without thinking about it went over knocked his *** to the ground and someone saw it and called the police on me. I have ZERO tolerance for men who hit women. None- a man should never put a hand on a girl- ever, ever, ever!!!
 
What if a guy slaps a guy really hard? Would you get involved then?

It's actually sexist.

and you're actually a dumbass :/


Eviscerator

I am not going to single out any one poster, but I have to wonder what happened to men being men.

If I see some guy knock the crap out of a woman, he had better be able to do the same to me because I am coming for him.
A minor push, light wrestling/grabbed arm, I will ask the woman if everything is ok, and only intervene if she requests help. If not then I will not get involved.
However if the guy slaps he silly, I don't care if she requests help, I am getting involved because no guy should ever abuse a woman, period.
good post, exactly what I was going to say.
 

acehole

Banned
Using extreme examples is a useful thinking tool. Suppose you're considering taking a round-trip flight on the same day. Your plane goes 200 mph, but there's a 20 mph tailwind. On the return trip, suppose that will be a 20 mph headwind. Do the two cancel each other out? You could get a calculator and see, but we're saved this trouble by thinking about an extreme example. What if the wind were 200 mph? Heading out, our rate would be 400 mph, but on the return trip out our rate would be zero, so we can see that the wind doesn't just cancel out both ways.

Or, the wealthy playboy who asked his companion if she'd let him for $ million. She said that she would. He countered, "How about for $100?". She replied, "No, what do you think I am?" He said, "I know what you are, now we're discussing the price."! In this case the extreme example showed what she was, now he wants to know at what point does "no" become "yes". The Yates example makes the same point to you. At what point does hitting become acceptable? Recall the adage, "never say never".
i do this exact same thing. it really speeds up and simplifies most types of analysis.
 

AM28143

Semi-Pro
Depends how big the guy is. If he's bigger than you, run away screaming like a little girl. If he's smaller than you, tackle him.

-Adam :)
 

Eviscerator

Banned
Using extreme examples is a useful thinking tool. The Yates example makes the same point to you. At what point does hitting become acceptable? Recall the adage, "never say never".
I guess I did not realize they was responding to another poster as much as sticking to the theme of the OP.
Obviously a woman in the process of killing children needs to be stopped in the quickest, most efficient way. However at that point, I am not even sure I would view her as a woman, just a crazed killer.

Regardless, my point of view, not including the extreme examples like Yates remains the same.
 
while i admire the sentiment, and the passion and enthusiasm with which you present your arguement, i must respectfully disagree with you. to make so general a statement is admit a narrower field of vision.

you say never an excuse? if the husband of andrea yates found her drowning his children, and was physically unable to stop her by any other means than striking her, is he wrong to do so?

i can give you a dozen hypotheticals, or even real life occurrences, but instead i will tell you my opinion. chivalry is dead. we live in a new time when these types of sentiments simply do not hold up. there are gangs of girls and women that rob, and murder. they will not think twice about shooting you between the eyes. would you think twice about striking them.

again, i respect your view. for me it is entirely to general, and (no offense) slightly naive.
ace, while I appreciate the tenor of your rebuttal, I'm looking at your hypothetical scenario as not so much man vs. woman but person vs. person; I'll explain. Assuming that the "drowning mom" isn't some steroid-laced, Vince McMahon-affilated freakazoid (and assuming that the "man-is-physically-stronger" variable still applies), the understandably enraged "dad" could've (even in your scenario) GRABBED-AND-DISENGAGED the choking mom from the kids. If the mom held onto the kids, then dad could've 'muscled" and hi-tailed the "kid-and-kaboodle" away from the water and THEN worked on physically disengaging her away from the endangered kids; i.e. the "drowning threat" no longer in place.

Temporary insanity may come into play and granted I didn't have the "3rd party" (children) scenario in mind when I posted; again, I was simply placing a value judgement on a 1-on-1 (white trash/black trash) sort of 'engagement'. While recognizing your "drastic circumstances call for drastic measures" contention, I nevertheless content that even within the context of your above scenario, the guy could've GRABBED the woman and lifted her away from the drowning waters.

That said, I'm not above admitting that I'm being stubborn in defending my viewpoint in the face of your "drowning kid" scenario by dint of the fact that you claimed my position to be "slightly naive." (wink).

My athletic passions for the most part included very violent premises; i.e. before I got into tennis, I was into football, boxing, etc.. And I cringe thinking of "engaging" (that horrid word in this context) the idea of blasting--for effect--a woman with a slap...uggh...punch in the face. I see "blackened eyes, destroyed faces" of abused woman in, e.g. a newsphoto story about a horrible man-beats-woman scenario (the 1-on-1 scenario that I envisioned reading the OP) and again, I shudder.

Now big boy...(again, wink), as to your "slightly naive" contention: woman?... that's for another thread.

As for "violent" .... (not to sound dramatic, but to ernestly say unto you ace) I'd 'take a bullet' for my child bride in a nano second.

Long story short: in the "normal" wife/beating/trailer park/girlfriend beating scenario, I maintain my opinion. Regards.....(lord knows, we could've hashed this out in person in 2 minutes....typing-on-a-laptop does lose the context of the intended inflection, etc.).

Naive? Er, gentlemen's agreement? .... you spare me your "girl-war-stories" .... and I'll spare you mine. :)

Thx (sincerely) for your comments and hope you have a great evening. (beware the "nails")
:razz:
 
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acehole

Banned
ace, while I appreciate the tenor of your rebuttal, I'm looking at your hypothetical scenario as not so much man vs. woman but person vs. person; I'll explain. Assuming that the "drowning mom" isn't some steroid-laced, Vince McMahon-affilated freakazoid (and assuming that the "man-is-physically-stronger" variable still applies), the understandably enraged "dad" could've (even in your scenario) GRABBED-AND-DISENGAGED the choking mom from the kids. If the mom held onto the kids, then dad could've 'muscled" and hi-tailed the "kid-and-kaboodle" away from the water and THEN worked on physically disengaging her away from the endangered kids; i.e. the "drowning threat" no longer in place.

Temporary insanity may come into play and granted I didn't have the "3rd party" (children) scenario in mind when I posted; again, I was simply placing a value judgement on a 1-on-1 (white trash/black trash) sort of 'engagement'. While recognizing your "drastic circumstances call for drastic measures" contention, I nevertheless content that even within the context of your above scenario, the guy could've GRABBED the woman and lifted her away from the drowning waters.

That said, I'm not above admitting that I'm being stubborn in defending my viewpoint in the face of your "drowning kid" scenario by dint of the fact that you claimed my position to be "slightly naive." (wink).

My athletic passions for the most part included very violent premises; i.e. before I got into tennis, I was into football, boxing, etc.. And I cringe thinking of "engaging" (that horrid word in this context) the idea of blasting--for effect--a woman with a slap...uggh...punch in the face. I see "blackened eyes, destroyed faces" of abused woman in, e.g. a newsphoto story about a horrible man-beats-woman scenario (the 1-on-1 scenario that I envisioned reading the OP) and again, I shudder.

Now big boy...(again, wink), as to your "slightly naive" contention: woman?... that's for another thread.

As for "violent" .... (not to sound dramatic, but to ernestly say unto you ace) I'd 'take a bullet' for my child bride in a nano second.

Long story short: in the "normal" wife/beating/trailer park/girlfriend beating scenario, I maintain my opinion. Regards.....(lord knows, we could've hashed this out in person in 2 minutes....typing-on-a-laptop does lose the context of the intended inflection, etc.).

Naive? Er, gentlemen's agreement? .... you spare me your "girl-war-stories" .... and I'll spare you mine. :)

Thx (sincerely) for your comments and hope you have a great evening. (beware the "nails")
:razz:
simply awesome.

also, i fully appreciate the notion of taking the bullet. i will not take another step in the world without mine. her last day is also my last day.
 

acehole

Banned
maybe we could redefine the term "WOMAN" to only include members of the feminine gender who are not violent.

if they become violent, maybe we could call them something like "A SATAN'S SHADOW" or something befitting their condition.
 

acehole

Banned
what do 10,000 battered women all have in common?














not one of them knows when to shut the f**k up!!!!!!!!!!!!


someone get sarah palin, i'm about to lose my talk show!!!
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
What can happen to you when you get into a fight...

UCLA tennis player in Dallas hospital
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4270320

DALLAS -- Police say a 20-year-old UCLA tennis player was in a coma after somebody punched him following a country music concert in Dallas.

Jeffrey Fleming of Newport Beach, Calif., was in a Dallas hospital Thursday, but his condition was not available.

He was attending a Rascal Flatts concert with friends Saturday night when an unknown man hit him. His family says he was sucker-punched as he was about to catch a taxi after the concert.

The blow knocked Fleming to the ground, where his head hit the parking lot concrete. The attacker and others ran away.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
UCLA tennis player in Dallas hospital
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4270320

DALLAS -- Police say a 20-year-old UCLA tennis player was in a coma after somebody punched him following a country music concert in Dallas.

Jeffrey Fleming of Newport Beach, Calif., was in a Dallas hospital Thursday, but his condition was not available.

He was attending a Rascal Flatts concert with friends Saturday night when an unknown man hit him. His family says he was sucker-punched as he was about to catch a taxi after the concert.

The blow knocked Fleming to the ground, where his head hit the parking lot concrete. The attacker and others ran away.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
According to the article you posted, he didn't "get in a fight". He was attacked. There's a difference.
 

maverick66

Hall of Fame
ahh phil beat me to it. I dont considered getting punched in the head from out of nowhere a fight. Thats called getting sucker punched and there is nothing you can do about it. Its sad but it happens.
 
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