What was KEY to Medvedev's win tonight?

Key was

  • Serve

    Votes: 46 88.5%
  • Rallies

    Votes: 4 7.7%
  • Passing shots

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Total voters
    52

Rudiiii

Rookie
Djokovic serving 54% 1st serve, conversion of bp 1/6, with this one coming when everything was over. And for Medvedev, serve was crazy, and passing shots didn't betray him today. But I really think that Djokovic trew this final away
 
Zverev basically beating Djoker for him was key. Nole's movement was gone/explosion was gone. . Let see Med do that against a rested Djoker now with the pressure off. Its all about how you follow up those big wins. Look at Thiem. Now the pressure is on Med not to be laying eggs going forward. He had nothing to lose today. Now he will.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
His serve was great but alsoNovak was flat today.This defeat of Novak reminds me his straight sets defat aginst Murray in Wimbledon.His opponent for sure plays fantastic but he is also a little bit flat.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
His serve set the stone from the jump, so that was key #1.
Novak hardly had an explosive ROS all day.

I don't want to take anything from Med, who may have even beaten Novak's A game today. But whether it was fatigue or the weight of history, Novak never looked very good today (in part due to Med). Credit to Med for executing well all day.
 

lelopez

Semi-Pro
Zverev basically beating Djoker for him was key. Nole's movement was gone/explosion was gone.
This definitely was a big part of it. The match with Zverev was extremely physical and Novak looked gassed. But, Med also kept up the consistency he showed all tournament and didn't let the moment get to him. A perfect storm of events, but in the end, all that matters is he is a US Open champ.
 
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JustBob

Hall of Fame
Unpredictability on serve and essentially being able to out-Djokovic Djokovic, which is why he won the majority of long rallies. Medvedev is by far the most intelligent player out there. He varies angles and ball speed, and constantly makes little adjustments to his game on the fly. That's not something casual fans in the stands would notice however.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Medvedev missed a lot of medium-tough difficulty passes so that's out of the question. It was a combination of him being clutch with the big serve and persistent in rallies and Djokovic being mentally shaken and missing extra under pressure. Still took a very mature performance to down him like that.
Yeah, this
 
I'm rewatching it right now to see if I can see. What I'm seeing so far is that it shouldn't have been even that close. Medvedev should have gone up a double break to start the first.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
Serve is the only right answer. He was not impressive at all on return in the first set and breaking Novak came from the latter's poor nervous play. But he held so confidently and got himself out of trouble easily, putting out the comeback fire Djokovic tried to lit. If it weren't for the great serving performance from the very beginning, the match could be very different, I think.
 
Novak also looks not only understandably nervous but also tired. Again, that's understandable, but I think that trip to Tokyo may have caught up to him.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
now we can actually apply some match analysis, huh
Sure, because in this case you are not trying to predict anything, just analyze what happened. Now if you took the next step and attempted to use that analysis to prove they 2021 Med would beat X player from the past, then the analytical process falls apart.

in any case I agree with what you said about tonight’s match
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Med's serving which was pretty unreadable for a few patches throughout the match.
Pretty intelligent in the rallies, buckled down and played up the middle often, which made Novak feel like he needed to do more (resulted in fatigued errors). Moved extremely well.
Novak being off his own game, also couldn't win an important point to save his life.
 
Sure, because in this case you are not trying to predict anything, just analyze what happened. Now if you took the next step and attempted to use that analysis to prove they 2021 Med would beat X player from the past, then the analytical process falls apart.

in any case I agree with what you said about tonight’s match
It's merely an analysis of levels and penciling the better level to beat the lower level as it happens most of the time. Plenty of X players Medvedev wouldn't beat since they played at a higher level, of course.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
It's merely an analysis of levels and penciling the better level to beat the lower level as it happens most of the time. Plenty of X players Medvedev wouldn't beat since they played at a higher level, of course.
I agree with this in general but when one tries to compare across time it becomes impossible. it’s likely that if AO21 Novak had showed up today the match could have been different. But can we say with any certainty who would have won? Impossible.

and it becomes even more far fetched when we start imagining players birth dates changing so they all have the same age. There are all kinds of ripple effects there.
 

Bubcay

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's return of serve was almost non-existent. He also seemed so wooden and mentally weaker. Medvedev was playing his game and was not phased by anything. He was just a better player today and deserved to win 100%.
 
I agree with this in general but when one tries to compare across time it becomes impossible. it’s likely that if AO21 Novak had showed up today the match could have been different. But can we say with any certainty who would have won? Impossible.

and it becomes even more far fetched when we start imagining players birth dates changing so they all have the same age. There are all kinds of ripple effects there.
It's pretty obvious Djokovic was better in the AO final than Medvedev here duh.
 

lim

Semi-Pro
the German giraffe taking him to 5 in the sf..
I don't think he had the will power to do go 5 even if he got lucky and took the third after than break Daniil gifted him
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
It was a total beat down other than one game in the 5th where the nerves of serving for the championship got to Med. Else he beat Novak in every facet of the game.
 
But even if I agree (and I tend to) I don’t think you can use that to say AO Novak would definitely beat USO Med.
Of course he would, there's a gap which there is no way to bridge. Wouldn't be the sad beatdown it was if Med keeps his cool like today though. Got way too tilted in the AO final even as the match was still close around 7-5 1-1.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Medvedev just had to turn up in his usual good form. Djokovic was out of gas from the get-go. Such is slam-life!
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
Day match.
The key thing. Conditions are way faster in day.

But he was tired. Has to be. A 34 year old after a gruelling 5 setter has to be tired. Here the luck of the draw was against him. Had zverev been on other side he only have to beat 1 instead of beating zverev and Medvedev back to back.

In FO, had he got Nadal at day match i.e at final he loses. But he got at semis and that too became night match from 3rd set onwards.

Wimbledon was a joke. Everyone stacked on opposite sides of the draw. Finally hisnluck has to gove in
 

AceyMan

Semi-Pro
Zverev took his legs + Medvedev's serve

it was a combination
Did anyone notice DJ couldn't clip a side line to save his life?

He hit maybe one BHDTL that was close or on the chalk. The FHDTL wasn't any better.

On the backhand, his hard strikes were a 70 cm inside the line and usually tailing back to the center.

Against The Octopus that's not going to do the job. He was so safe, I don't think he'd beaten a Goffin, RBA or Diego today.

Bad coaching? Fatigue? Brain cramps?

I dunno, but for me that problem was the backbone of his defeat.

/Acey

Those who are re-watching nows, this Championship Sunday, lmk if I'm on point in your opinions.
 
OK, watching this again the key game was the fourth game in the second. That's the one with the weird music let. Novak got two break points in that game, one after the music. He then smashed a racquet and Med held. That's where you can see that this was not going to follow the pattern of all the other matches that Novak lost the first set in this tournament.

And then he broke him in the next game to take the lead in the second set. Those two games were the match.
 

6august

Hall of Fame
His Serve ))))))))))

Big Congrats Dani )))))))) It's been a long time since we last saw a Russian winner at a Slam )))))))
 
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