What was KEY to Medvedev's win tonight?

Key was

  • Serve

    Votes: 46 88.5%
  • Rallies

    Votes: 4 7.7%
  • Passing shots

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Total voters
    52

Ledigs

Hall of Fame
1. Supreme serve
2. Being clutch in rallies
3. Great passing shots
I noticed that Djokovic would hit a shot that would normally end a rally against most if not all players, and Medvedev would hit an amazing shot back and Novak was not prepared to answer back again. That and the impeccable serving by Meddy.
 

Ledigs

Hall of Fame
Med's serving which was pretty unreadable for a few patches throughout the match.
Pretty intelligent in the rallies, buckled down and played up the middle often, which made Novak feel like he needed to do more (resulted in fatigued errors). Moved extremely well.
Novak being off his own game, also couldn't win an important point to save his life.
I agree with this. Medvedev was really solid in rallies and didn't go for too aggressive winners - just waited for his chance.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
Unpredictability on serve and essentially being able to out-Djokovic Djokovic, which is why he won the majority of long rallies. Medvedev is by far the most intelligent player out there. He varies angles and ball speed, and constantly makes little adjustments to his game on the fly. That's not something casual fans in the stands would notice however.
yeah. hard to say what way 'key' when we don't know for certain exactly how much fatigue was an issue, or nerves for that matter. from the list of observable things we can say both things you've pointed out here--clutch serving and smart rallying...going behind novak a LOT, not giving him angles, lots of 'create your own pace' balls. he is the most dangerous pusher on tour, and i don't say that disparagingly.
 

el sergento

Hall of Fame
Medvedev was happy to hit medium pace down the middle, putting all the pressure on Novak to attack, and at the same time denying Novak opportunities to hit his blistering DTL shots and changes of direction.

….. and the monster serve.
 

AceyMan

Semi-Pro
Medvedev was happy to hit medium pace down the middle, putting all the pressure on Novak to attack, and at the same time denying Novak opportunities to hit his blistering DTL shots and changes of direction.

….. and the monster serve.
Basically WTA ranked 50–15 strategy, and I mean that in the Optimal Way to Take On Bigger Hitters Than You way. And it worked when you add a monster service (DJ = 2 points in set one if I heard right during one telecast match stats review).

So, yeah.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
None of your silly choices apply. It was that massive down the line backhand off novak's crosscourt shots that decapitated novak. He's going to serbia headless
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
His serve ofc, and the fact that he did a great job at making it hard to read.

But more interestingly his ground game:
He played a lot through the middle, and his rally balls were often landing quite short, around the service line, but they were fast and flat, pinning Djokovic to the middle, giving him very little to work with. It's very hard to inject a lot of pace and spin on these types of balls, except hitting them back flat, in the same direction.
 

T007

Professional
The key was the crowd support Djoker got compared med. Djokovic couldn't deal with the crowd pressure which is quite opposite when they cheer for his opponent.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
I think serving was the key, also mental calmness he showed in second set saving those breakpoints really was the difference between him and others who were in similar position against djokovic. He had a mental collapse but at the right moment where had time to recouparte which he managed to do
 

Julian Houston

Semi-Pro
The key to beat Djokovic is to serve well and rally with a bit more power without making errors. Place balls back to center force Djokovic to be frustrated to attack then play defense against him. Its exactly what Medvedev did and Wawrinka did the same in slams against Djoker.
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
That serve! On those courts, serving like that....just unplayable.
 

Julian Houston

Semi-Pro
Basically WTA ranked 50–15 strategy, and I mean that in the Optimal Way to Take On Bigger Hitters Than You way. And it worked when you add a monster service (DJ = 2 points in set one if I heard right during one telecast match stats review).

So, yeah.
Because Djoko is good at defense and counter attack when u stretch him out left and right side. Leave it to middle and make Djokovic change direction first, he don't take too much risk on that one.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Had Novak gotten Medvedev in the semis and Zverev in the finals what do you guys would have think happened? Still loses to Med in semis? Beats Med and loses to Chains, or beats both?
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Serve and rock solid groundstrokes. Cannot remember the last time Djoko hit so few winners from the baseline.
Novak attacked the net out of desperation because of Med's baseline level, which also was very varied. He played heavy in his own service games, while taking off a lot of pace in the return games while retaining depth; a very difficult task. Many of Novak's errors were not forced in the traditional sense, but yet they were because of this change up. He made Novak attack balls with little pace and almost no spin - something Novak really doesn't like. It's a cliche, but he did a lot to prevent Novak from finding his rhythm.

But the serve was the fundament for everything. That serving in the first set was crazy; he lost three points on serve, of which one was a DF... :oops:
 
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Julian Houston

Semi-Pro
Had Novak gotten Medvedev in the semis and Zverev in the finals what do you guys would have think happened? Still loses to Med in semis? Beats Med and loses to Chains, or beats both?
Still lose i guess. He wasnt in a good shape whole tournament. Med's level is higher than Zverev.
 
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