What went wrong at 40-15 for Federer?

tex123

Professional
MP #1:

Federer kicks a second serve out wide, which Djokovic manages to return straight at him. He then stabs a FH out wide. I think this was just a matter of luck with Djok’s return going so close to him. And even if the next shot went to plan and hit the line, it was anyone’s point if that ball dropped in as Djok was already covering that side. Can’t complain too much with that one.

MP #2:

The serve was pretty lousy. Did nerves play a part? It was a couple of feet inside the T and a very comfortable return for Djokovic on his FH side. Federer goes straight in for the kill on his second shot and sends a forehand up the line and approaches the net but again he goes nowhere near the line with the shot and leaves Djokovic in a comfortable position with options for the passing shot from the baseline.

I think the serve selection was wrong here. Djokovic was in front of the royal box where the sun was still only covering 2 thirds where the serve out wide would have put him into the shade and on his backhand. We’ll never know but there’s every chance that ball doesn’t come back if he goes out wide. Djokovic was standing in the sun and there’s every chance that getting him in and out of the sun would have upset his shot making there - trying to use every advantage you have.

And finally on that match point. Maybe I’m on my own with this one? With Djokovic’s passing shot to save the 2nd MP, does it look like Federer thinks it’s going wide? Could he have got to that? I really think there’s a chance if he reacts a half a second quicker that he cushions that in for a relatively easy winner. Maybe not even if he’s quicker, but if he just decides to go for it at all. Maybe I’m being too critical there.

What should Fed have done differently on either of these serves in your opinion?

Also something amusing I noticed:

The point and shot that saved the second match point for Djokovic? Almost the exact same point reversed (the last 2 shots anyway) that won the break for Federer in the previous game.
We are talking about 5th set at 12-12. Both are mentally exhausted. Fed at 40-15. Trophy is almost guaranteed. His mind starts to waver. The key thing is Djokovic probably also thought this is it. He RELAXED. He had nothing to lose. It just went his way. If Fed crumbled, that would be after deuce.

And this is not the first time he's done it to Fed. Remember USOpen? 40-15 match point. That's twice against the same player.

 

World Beater

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this is pretty much it right here.

Rather than rally and try to play the points, fed rushed the net going for the quick resolution. djokovic makes that shot 8 times out of 10. that approach to showed a lack of respect for djokovic's passing abilities and he got rightfully punished.

prior to 40-15, Federer slammed two aces, and rather than go for the kill up the middle (i.e. the same serve he hit 20 seconds ago). He decides to hit a safe serve into djokovic fh which will obviously come back. And he bailed out by going for an overly ambitious forehand.

Federer always seems to falter at the final hurdle against big opponents in tight matches - safin, nalbandian, nadal, djokovic multiple times etc.


I do think the net charge at 40-30 showed where Federer was mentally. He just wanted Djokovic to make a cheap unforced error on a relatively simple forehand passing shot rather than to win the final point off his own good play. When he wasn't given it and the score got to deuce he pretty much fell apart in the final 2 points of that game.
 

Mark-Touch

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Bottom line is Fedr went for broke in 2 MP and missed. 1st MP he shouldnt play so risky forehand, can hit to center of court. Keeping the ball in is better. 2nd MP Djokovic will go crosscourt 100% but wont be a deep shot as he is out of confidence, Federer could have loaded up the next forehand instead of net rush.

Fedr just need better training and tactics to solve the Djoker puzzle. Nadal is solved. He cannot try to say his overall game is good enough that he will be beating Djokovic.
Your bottom line is not correct.

His 1st MP he did not play a "risky forehand". He could not "hit to center of court".
On his 1st MP he hit a weak second serve that allowed Djoker to push him back behind the baseline.
He was off balance when he hit his shot. That is why it sailed wide. He was not in control of that shot!

On his 2nd MP, you are correct. His net rush was a total brain fart.
First, it was not a good time to be approaching. Djoker's return was pushed back short, however Fed's next shot was not hit with enough juice
for him to be approaching the net. He was a sitting duck with his approach!

If Fed had gone for broke on his two match points, as he absolutely should have (there is no better time in a tennis match than this to do so)
he would have served four big first serves.

Think about it. He was already in great service groove.
He had just served two aces in a row.
That was followed by hitting the net on his next first serve.

He still had the feel.
You try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.

And if all of the big serves fail, it's still an even match at deuce !!!

Forget about all the other strategies: come to net, rally etc. etc. not necessary.
 
this is pretty much it right here.

Rather than rally and try to play the points, fed rushed the net going for the quick resolution. djokovic makes that shot 8 times out of 10. that approach to showed a lack of respect for djokovic's passing abilities and he got rightfully punished.

prior to 40-15, Federer slammed two aces, and rather than go for the kill up the middle (i.e. the same serve he hit 20 seconds ago). He decides to hit a safe serve into djokovic fh which will obviously come back. And he bailed out by going for an overly ambitious forehand.

Federer always seems to falter at the final hurdle against big opponents in tight matches - safin, nalbandian, nadal, djokovic multiple times etc.
Almost identical to the one he served at MP in the 2012 SF, which didn't come back.
 

AceSalvo

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He still had the feel.
You try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.

And if all of the big serves fail, it's still an even match at deuce !!!

Forget about all the other strategies: come to net, rally etc. etc. not necessary.
The only question I would have for Fed is, “why did you not try to go with Ace down the T for the 2 championship points. At least the first one. Worst case it was a DF. And you could have taken all the time you wanted to set it up. Why the hurry?”
Bingo.
 

Julian Houston

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Your bottom line is not correct.

His 1st MP he did not play a "risky forehand". He could not "hit to center of court".
On his 1st MP he hit a weak second serve that allowed Djoker to push him back behind the baseline.
He was off balance when he hit his shot. That is why it sailed wide. He was not in control of that shot!

On his 2nd MP, you are correct. His net rush was a total brain fart.
First, it was not a good time to be approaching. Djoker's return was pushed back short, however Fed's next shot was not hit with enough juice
for him to be approaching the net. He was a sitting duck with his approach!

If Fed had gone for broke on his two match points, as he absolutely should have (there is no better time in a tennis match than this to do so)
he would have served four big first serves.

Think about it. He was already in great service groove.
He had just served two aces in a row.
That was followed by hitting the net on his next first serve.

He still had the feel.
You try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.
If that doesn't work, you try for another BIG SERVE.

And if all of the big serves fail, it's still an even match at deuce !!!

Forget about all the other strategies: come to net, rally etc. etc. not necessary.
Sure, but i think he will be choking the big serves, will DFs.

On 1st MP he tried to run around his backhand, he could have slice it.
 

World Beater

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im happy to be proven wrong, but the serve i am referring to was in the deuce court at 40-15. the serve in the 2012 SF was a serve in the AD court which djokovic netted with a FH.

his serve selection in the ad court was the right one. unfortunately he got passed at net...

the one in the deuce court was the absolute wrong one, and was a similar one to the serve at 40-15 in the deuce court in the usopen sf. he got punished both times.

Almost identical to the one he served at MP in the 2012 SF, which didn't come back.
 
im happy to be proven wrong, but the serve i am referring to was in the deuce court at 40-15. the serve in the 2012 SF was a serve in the AD court which djokovic netted with a FH.

his serve selection in the ad court was the right one. unfortunately he got passed at net...

the one in the deuce court was the absolute wrong one, and was a similar one to the serve at 40-15 in the deuce court in the usopen sf. he got punished both times.
Ah, I thought you meant that one. Anyway, I'm always wary of the hindsight bug with this stuff. These points get analyzed so utterly ruthlessly.
 

World Beater

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Ah, I thought you meant that one. Anyway, I'm always wary of the hindsight bug with this stuff. These points get analyzed so utterly ruthlessly.
margins are so small. it literally separated a wimbledon championship.

if this was the first time it happened, i would have said whatever. But we had some past history to use and we know the patterns of play in djokovic - federer matches. these guys have played many deciding sets and tie breaks...

To me, federer didn't learn from the djokovic loss in the sf semi when he was 40-15 up. he chalked it up to djokovic being lucky or a fluke. no fluke though when it becomes a pattern.

its nuts that federer didnt serve up the middle because he hit the same serve 20 seconds ago.

if he was going to serve out wide, he should have committed and played the point because that ball is coming back unless roger hits the corner in the deuce side---> instead he plays a bail-out forehand after the safe serve??? really? if he was looking for the quick kill (which the bail out forehand showed) - serve up the middle is the way to go.
 
margins are so small. it literally separated a wimbledon championship.

if this was the first time it happened, i would have said whatever. But we had some past history to use and we know the patterns of play in djokovic - federer matches. these guys have played many deciding sets and tie breaks...

To me, federer didn't learn from the djokovic loss in the sf semi when he was 40-15 up. he chalked it up to djokovic being lucky or a fluke. no fluke though when it becomes a pattern.

its nuts that federer didnt serve up the middle because he hit the same serve 20 seconds ago.

if he was going to serve out wide, he should have committed and played the point because that ball is coming back unless roger hits the corner in the deuce side---> instead he plays a bail-out forehand after the safe serve??? really? if he was looking for the quick kill (which the bail out forehand showed) - serve up the middle is the way to go.
This still seems a harsh evaluation. How many instances constitute this pattern? If Fed had just hit the same serve 20 seconds ago, maybe he figured Djoker would predict it? What if that serve misses and he's restricted to a 2nd serve? Is that better than a safer 1st? I think there's more at play here and everything's easier to see after the fact. Fed surely made choices that came undone throughout the match, but again, we rake him over the coals for these because he had MPs.
 

a10best

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You go down the middle on 1st serve for percentages and less angle for Nole's return.
Stats show he was more aggressive the whole match (most points won, most break of serves, better winner to UE ratio) but loses it being passive during those 2 big points and in TB's.
 

World Beater

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This still seems a harsh evaluation. How many instances constitute this pattern? If Fed had just hit the same serve 20 seconds ago, maybe he figured Djoker would predict it? What if that serve misses and he's restricted to a 2nd serve? Is that better than a safer 1st? I think there's more at play here and everything's easier to see after the fact. Fed surely made choices that came undone throughout the match, but again, we rake him over the coals for these because he had MPs.
the pattern is djokovic's return on the deuce side, and he got burned on mps before.

have a look at their match history and the results in deciding sets. its looks seriously ugly for federer against novak especially in recent history.

i dont think djokovic is going to able to get a solid return off a 120-125 serve down the T. he isn't going to guess on that big a point either.
this is the percentage play if he's going for the quick kill.

his tactics didnt seem to make sense on the deuce side. that is my main point. if he wanted to go for the quick kill why give djokovic a play on the deuce side serve.

he went for an off-balance ambitious fh? that shot selection seemed strange given the choice of serve.

we are talking about differentiating to ATGs and implications for the slam race. when it comes down to a point, off course you nit pick a little :) the situation and consequences demand it. if the match weren't this close, there would be no discussion.

we are discussing the difference between an 8 time wimbledon champ and a 9 time wimbledon champ. its obviously a crazy discussion that only federer can participate in :)
 
the pattern is djokovic's return on the deuce side, and he got burned on mps before.

have a look at their match history and the results in deciding sets. its looks seriously ugly for federer against novak especially in recent history.

i dont think djokovic is going to able to get a solid return off a 120-125 serve down the T. he isn't going to guess on that big a point either.
this is the percentage play if he's going for the quick kill.

his tactics didnt seem to make sense on the deuce side. that is my main point. if he wanted to go for the quick kill why give djokovic a play on the deuce side serve.

he went for an off-balance ambitious fh? that shot selection seemed strange given the choice of serve.

we are talking about differentiating to ATGs and implications for the slam race. when it comes down to a point, off course you nit pick a little :) the situation and consequences demand it. if the match weren't this close, there would be no discussion.

we are discussing the difference between an 8 time wimbledon champ and a 9 time wimbledon champ. its obviously a crazy discussion that only federer can participate in :)
He got burned on MP on the deuce return once 8 years ago... Also, as I say, what if he misses the T serve? 2nd serve? Is that ok on MP? Who knows... Our sample size is now 2.

Anyway, I totally get what you are saying, and you're being harder on Federer than I. I was at first but I've put it into perspective in my mind. Very proud of the guy, and the bitterness of how close it was is not enough for me to come down on him for sub-optimal play that happened to be on MPs. He serves 1 inch higher on one serve and he almost certainly wins. I can't be hard on him for that.
 

Mark-Touch

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Nothing went wrong at 40:15, you can lose a game like that even at MP, it happens. What really went wrong was that he choked on all 3 tie breakers really badly. He should have never lost the first one. The last tie break was probably the result of the other 2 he lost, it affected him badly.

Yes something went wrong!
Of course you can lose a game facing MP's.
But what bothers me the most is that Fed didn't/doesn't know how to play percentage tennis.

His first serve clipped the net. BIG F'in deal!
He's got three more first serves. And I'm talking big serves, just like his two previous point aces.
Are they all going to clip the net?
Chances are no.

And even if they did.
The bloody game would still be tied !!!!
 
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Mark-Touch

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At 40-15 I wouldve lassod the return of the return back x court, the Djokers fh is the wing most likely to breakdown under pressure anyway.
Didn't you watch the point closely?
Djoker pushed him back.
Fed was off balance.
His shot was the best he could do!
 

World Beater

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He got burned on MP on the deuce return once 8 years ago... Also, as I say, what if he misses the T serve? 2nd serve? Is that ok on MP? Who knows... Our sample size is now 2.
yes. its ok. you go for your shots. if you miss its execution, and that is only in his hands.

But Federer's down the t serve is one of his kill shots. he hits it very well...

i was including more than the MPs btw (i.e. djokovic;s general returning on the deuce side.) But the MPs should have seared it in his head.

if federer doesn't get it wide enough, djokovic hits a solid return on the deuce side.

the deuce side wide serve is harder than the one down the T to execute. he went for the safe serve which was middle of the box to djokovic fh...you play safe (i.e. passive). you lose
 
yes. its ok. you go for your shots. if you miss its execution, and that is only in his hands.

But Federer's down the t serve is one of his kill shots. he hits it very well...

i was including more than the MPs btw (i.e. djokovic;s general returning on the deuce side.) But the MPs should have seared it in his head.

if federer doesn't get it wide enough, djokovic hits a solid return on the deuce side.

the deuce side wide serve is harder than the one down the T to execute. he went for the safe serve which was middle of the box to djokovic fh...you play safe (i.e. passive). you lose
Not necessarily. Again, that's hindsight talking.
 

Mark-Touch

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The 2nd match point he missed his spot. Not much more to it. He needed to be about a foot or two more to the line and about two feet more depth. If that was the case Novak would of maybe missed or at least give Roger a put away at the net. Another option was an angled inside out. Novak maybe would of got it but it would have been a hard pass on the backhand. It's a game of inches. Federer's match point in Aus Open vs Nadal he shanked the forehand crosscourt but hit it on the line. If Roger is hits anything close to that shot on MP #2 he is walking away with the trophy. He just hit it clean and right at him. What can you do. Would have been nice to find a few better serves there as well. Oh well that's tennis. Now all the script writers and tennis fans are talking about the mental strength of Djokovic and the mental lapses of Federer... I don't know. I think it's just the way the ball goes sometimes. No one can put the ball in the exact spot they want in these situations, you just try to come close. Sometimes it hits that spot or even better and sometimes it misses or even worse. In this moment it just didn't happen. The goal is to try to put yourself in these positions. That goal was achieved from both players. Only one hit the right spot though.
I agree with all you said except for one point.
He had at least one more chance at a better serve!
He missed his first serve on first MP. OK.
He didn't go for his second serve. BIG mistake!
 

Mark-Touch

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If Fed lost in straights, it does not do well for his confidence , given his age. It would raise questions whether he can win back to back big matches.

It hurts badly in the short term, but if Fed is thinking long terms (3+ more years), he can take positives from here and hope to continue to do well in majors.
Exactly.
Most people can't stomach the thought that he could be a contender 3+ years from now.

And most people probably haven't thought of the following.
Not only is Fed exceptional in his longevity, but there is a distinct possibility that
Nadal and Djoker won't be able to replicate Fed's abilities as they age in the next couple of years.

Translation.
Just because Fed can produce mind-boggling tennis at age 34 - 38, does not mean that the other BIG TWO
can also do that.
 

Mark-Touch

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prior to 40-15, Federer slammed two aces, and rather than go for the kill up the middle (i.e. the same serve he hit 20 seconds ago). He decides to hit a safe serve into djokovic fh which will obviously come back. And he bailed out by going for an overly ambitious forehand.
BINGO!
His serve was in a GROOVE!
Why change a winning tactic?
Slam 4 more BIG first serves up the T if necessary.
One is bound to be a winner.
 

Mark-Touch

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Sure, but i think he will be choking the big serves, will DFs.

On 1st MP he tried to run around his backhand, he could have slice it.
Julian, think!
He just hit two ACES in a row!
Why all of a sudden can't he hit one more ace in four tries?

Even if he hits a double fault on the first MP and hits the net on his first serve for the next MP,
he still needs to try for a BIG SECOND SERVE!
Ace, he wins.
Double fault, still deuce!!!
 

Mark-Touch

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Anyway, I'm always wary of the hindsight bug with this stuff. These points get analyzed so utterly ruthlessly.
And rightly so!
Because you know what?
If Fed played again tomorrow and found himself in the exact same situation, he'd
do the exact same thing again.

In other words he won't have learned his lesson.
 

Mark-Touch

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...To me, federer didn't learn from the djokovic loss in the sf semi when he was 40-15 up. he chalked it up to djokovic being lucky or a fluke. no fluke though when it becomes a pattern.

its nuts that federer didnt serve up the middle because he hit the same serve 20 seconds ago.

if he was going to serve out wide, he should have committed and played the point because that ball is coming back unless roger hits the corner in the deuce side---> instead he plays a bail-out forehand after the safe serve??? really? if he was looking for the quick kill (which the bail out forehand showed) - serve up the middle is the way to go.
BINGO!
 

HuusHould

Professional
Didn't you watch the point closely?
Djoker pushed him back.
Fed was off balance.
His shot was the best he could do!
You can hit a lasso forehand almost from behind your body, buys you a bit more time, sure it was a good return that cramped and rushed him and for that reason Novak wouldve expected the ball to go the way it did, if you think the best Fed couldve done in the situation was to hit the ball out youre kidding yourself, sure he couldve executed better the same option, I just think it was a bit more risky as far as missing goes, if he wins the point its a brave shot selection, but off balance youre best bet is to neutralise the rally rather than play an offensive shot. I agree the shot selection here is debatable, maybe he chose the right shot, personally with the benefit of hindsight Im leaning towards thay he didn't (Im trying to find it to watch again). The big tactical error as you refer to earlier was the next point, but my approach is that you want to avoid getting to 40/30 if at all possible, in the first place, if you can get the rally to neutral and either force Novak to take a risk or look for an better opportunity to attack, the pressure builds on the guy who has to win two points to stay in the match. Try to prolong the pressure on him. Im aware at this level especially at clutch moments you dont win by playing passively, but you dont win with errors either.
 
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Mark-Touch

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You can hit a lasso forehand almost from behind your body, buys you a bit more time, sure it was a good return that cramped and rushed him and for that reason Novak wouldve expected the ball to go the way it did, if you think the best Fed couldve done in the situation was to hit the ball out youre kidding yourself, sure he couldve executed better the same option, I just think it was a bit more risky as far as missing goes, if he wins the point its a brave shot selection, but off balance youre best bet is to neutralise the rally rather than play an offensive shot.
I suggest you watch and re-watch that point several times.
Fed was pushed back and falling away when he hit the ball.
He wasn't aiming for anything specifically. He was hoping the ball would simply land in the court!
He wasn't executing any special shot!

His mistake was his serve that allowed Djoker to push him back!
He should have fired a HUGE second serve!
 

HuusHould

Professional
I suggest you watch and re-watch that point several times.
Fed was pushed back and falling away when he hit the ball.
He wasn't aiming for anything specifically. He was hoping the ball would simply land in the court!
He wasn't executing any special shot!

His mistake was his serve that allowed Djoker to push him back!
He should have fired a HUGE second serve!
I think youre right on the serve, although you have to remember big serve percentage will go down under pressure, but serving offensively got him there so that will finish it for him. Where is the video of that point? I still think he played an offensive shot (keen to get it over and done with due to anxiety) when he shouldve been trying to neutralise the rally at all costs. You have to be desperate to avoid the points that put you under more pressure. I think Novak wouldve been relieved with what Federer did on both points.
 

HuusHould

Professional
I suggest you watch and re-watch that point several times.
Fed was pushed back and falling away when he hit the ball.
He wasn't aiming for anything specifically. He was hoping the ball would simply land in the court!
He wasn't executing any special shot!

His mistake was his serve that allowed Djoker to push him back!
He should have fired a HUGE second serve!
Watching it again I think youre right, once hed commited to running around the bh he really only had that one option, if anything he needed to swing even harder so he wasnt late on the ball. If he was going to play a neutral shot it had to be a backhand, he got caught hoping Novaks return wouldnt be as good as it was.
 
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Mark-Touch

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I think youre right on the serve, although you have to remember big serve percentage will go down under pressure, but serving offensively got him there so that will finish it for him. Where is the video of that point? I still think he played an offensive shot (keen to get it over and done with due to anxiety) when he shouldve been trying to neutralise the rally at all costs. You have to be desperate to avoid the points that put you under more pressure. I think Novak wouldve been relieved with what Federer did on both points.
MP1 second serve

On MP2 his approach shot was offensive, but suicide-type offensive!
 

racquetreligion

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At 40-15 I wouldve lassod the return of the return back x court, the Djokers fh is the wing most likely to breakdown under pressure anyway.
Nole hit a winning crosscourt across Federer after driving it hard on an approach shot in Nole`s FH during match point.
Nole said himself he was way back behind the baseline most of the match and Fed could not see that just hitting it
short drew many errors from Nadal and Djokovic when approaching the net due to the low bounces.

If Fed just hit it firm but short approach shots to the FH during those match points he would have easier volleys to put away
or at least draw Nole forward with incredible pressure to hit a winner or a lob.
 

racquetreligion

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If you look at Fed vs Nole finals of the past, last nights level was way below par in every way.

Fed looked slow, Djokovic like a donkey as well. Both combatants full of errors, dfs and crazy missed opportunities.
Even match point Fed misses a high BH sequentially as it was called wide bouncing high above the net.

Fed`s level was similar in the semi vs Nadal. For 2 weeks so many matches were massively lopsided and it was
pointed out to me this could have been attributed to the NEW unwanted and untested on humans over a long term
5g network could easily be a reason so many had issues apart from the slow courts.

(1mm 60ghz microwaves from military technology eg. 6 billion 1mm waves per second
hitting everyone from everywhere which is unprecedented and proven by scientists to have
detrimental effects on all living things. Short term Melatonin level disruption affecting concentration)

Either way amazing Fed almost beat Nole after beating Nadal which he has never done in a GS?

Really felt sorry for Fed`s parents, they were eloquent for 5 hours compared to Noles maternal Dynamic Duo
and most of his players box. Maybe 5g had a more significant effect on their behavior as they are less disciplined
when using mainly their R-Complex (eg. lower brain) section of their scones were they can only manage barbaric gestures.

However in fairness Mirka could easily blend into Novaks players box with ease or even Cabal/Farah`s Colombian Mafia Gang
they were quite a site in throughout the event often looking like the cast from Mad Max 3 Beyond Thunderdome.
 
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Mark-Touch

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Like most have already said, Roger was in a great service groove. He just needed one more big serve but for some reason chose a safer serve at 40-30 right into Novak's FH (instead of aiming for the T). That and the weak follow-up into the net showed that he wasn't thinking clearly.
Yes.
I was giving this some more thought just now and truly believe that if he were to face Djoker again in similar circumstances, he could easily fall into the same mental lapse with his MP's.

And the reason I believe this is because Fed is not a cerebral player when he plays. He plays by instinct and feel.

I highly doubt that anyone on his team will talk about what he should have done on the MP's, and even if they do, he will likely file it away somewhere
in his brain and forget about it when it might be needed in the future.
 

Mark-Touch

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If you look at Fed vs Nole finals of the past, last nights level was way below par in every way.

Fed looked slow, Djokovic like a donkey as well. Both combatants full of errors, dfs and crazy missed opportunities.
Even match point Fed misses a high BH sequentially as it was called wide bouncing high above the net.

Fed`s level was similar in the semi vs Nadal. For 2 weeks so many matches were massively lopsided and it was
pointed out to me this could have been attributed to the NEW unwanted and untested on humans over a long term
5g network could easily be a reason so many had issues apart from the slow courts.

(1mm 60ghz microwaves from military technology eg. 6 billion 1mm waves per second
hitting everyone from everywhere which is unprecedented and proven by scientists to have
detrimental effects on all living things. Short term Melatonin level disruption affecting concentration)

Either way amazing Fed almost beat Nole after beating Nadal which he has never done in a GS?...
Thanks RR, I didn't know that they had already implemented 5G at Wimbledon!
That is truly regrettable and as you say could very well have been impacting the players during the tournament and the spectators too.

Another thing I noticed was the stark difference between the average ball trajectory in their match and what it was several years ago.
Both players were playing very safe most of the time with lots of topspin, whereas their shots a few years ago were much flatter overall.
This slowed the play down markedly.
 

Tennisgods

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I do think the net charge at 40-30 showed where Federer was mentally. He just wanted Djokovic to make a cheap unforced error on a relatively simple forehand passing shot rather than to win the final point off his own good play. When he wasn't given it and the score got to deuce he pretty much fell apart in the final 2 points of that game.
This. I mean, at 40-15 I wasn’t just thinking he had two Championship points. I was thinking “Djokovic has to get to Deuce, then beat Fed from there too.
Regardless of where Fed’s head was, it was far too easy for Djokovic to break from 40-15. I at least expected some back and forth from deuce. 4 points in a row at that stage, on the Federer serve. Criminal.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Some very good insights on this thread. I hope Ljubicic and co read this thread...

@powerangle @Mark-Touch, here is something I posted on another thread on why he didn't do what he should have done (nerves, letting the occasion get to him instead of playing the next point) :

I just read on another thread that Fed has lost 21 matches after holding MPs.
Over the past few years, he has made a habit out of blowing MPs . Then he progressed to blowing MPs in slams (Anderson last year) and also blowing CPs in a tournament (Delpo at IW last year).
It was bound to happen sooner or later that he would fail to serve out and blow CPs at a slam...

A lot of people say it is age related but I disagree. If anything, you should become mentally stronger and hold your nerves better with age even if you physically decline and what happened at 40-15 CP had nothing to do with physical decline.

I think he should have addressed the problem early on, used mindfulness or meditation or whatever works for him to stay in the moment and focus on the next ball instead of thinking ahead or making wrong decisions or freezing because of nerves. Too late now and it is a missed opportunity but it beats me how no one in his team so far thought of a way to address or improve this glaring issue.
 

Indigo

Semi-Pro
Something similar to basketball, you miss a free throw and lose. He literally did that. Missed a key free throw, a penalty shoot.
 

tennishabit

Hall of Fame
fed didn't do anything wrong, man. joker simply shifted the gear:love::love::love::love::love::love:.................

expecting a 20 $lamer having psychological issues at all:?)))...........lolololol, man:love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love:...............mirka read dat precisely n u could read a bit from her expression if fed kept the anguish/humiliation almost completely w/in himself. joker's fooling/toying him n the stupid audience around:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D.....................

lolololol, man.......dat's exactly happened as i looked at the tv live coverage time schedule 1115pm-0415am..........gee, how did any1 know dat time b4 the match unless some1 highup told joker to fool around......fool the fed n audience around:?))):-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D...............................

also look at the 3 tbs, almost same................how the hell could be a struggling own-game holder got broken points so easily then all of a sudden top his gears when 2 match points against him n copy/pasted all 3 tbs points by points:?)))...........defying the basic common sense, mano_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O.........................

also by looking at the face of fed right after the handshake, well..........boyohboy, so miserable or u might say horrible........he's not a fool n no one in the world could fool him. he knew exactly wat the joker did 2 him:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.............................

appreciate joker's capacity/authority/watavaty/goaty/etcetcetc of playing or acting or watava..........but, it's not a genuine/honest/decent sportsmanship, man. but, still ok for long match hrs inserting more ads n entertaining the stupid crowd8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B8-B.................
 
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sbengte

G.O.A.T.
And rightly so!
Because you know what?
If Fed played again tomorrow and found himself in the exact same situation, he'd
do the exact same thing again.

In other words he won't have learned his lesson.
Couldn't agree more ! Exactly what I said in my post above...
 
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