What went wrong at 40-15 for Federer?

ABCD

Hall of Fame
The most difficult point to take (and this is particularly true if you play a great player) is the last one. In my opinion, the main problem Federer had was psychological one stemming from wanting it too much. I think that at 40:15 he:
1) Rushed. He should have taken time to think, which would also allow Djokovic to think (putting him under pressure).
2) Decided in advance what he is going to do. He decided that he will not be passive and that he will be maximally aggressive, i.e. any ball I get, I will play as aggressively as I can. He put Djokovic under pressure, but Djokovic was up to the task (lesser player would miss passing shot). Federer should have played those points little bit more by the ear.
3) Possibly, he did not truly believe that he will cross the line (like Mirka). He panicked.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Long story short , Only One guy could have pulled this off and his name is Djokovic .
People will remember him for this forever :love:

Talking on topic , Fed let's his ego dominate his game . I mean come-on Pound 4 serves to Novak's body and he will definately give One weak return , but Fed always wants to win beautiful and seek adoration from crowd .
If I was Fed at 40-15 , I would have targeted my 4 serves at Nole's Chest and try to rattle him .
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Long story short , Only One guy could have pulled this off and his name is Djokovic .
People will remember him for this forever :love:

Talking on topic , Fed let's his ego dominate his game . I mean come-on Pound 4 serves to Novak's body and he will definately give One weak return , but Fed always wants to win beautiful and seek adoration from crowd .
If I was Fed at 40-15 , I would have targeted my 4 serves at Nole's Chest and try to rattle him .
Definitely winning it "ugly" is better than losing the way he did :)
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
It's sad thinking his career might end this way.I mean, he "ruined" the rivalry with Djokovic on hardcourts ever since the first 40-15, then failed to win the fift set in the 2014 Wimbledon final ( thank you for letting me win Nole said :D) and now this.He could have created history by holding off prime/peak Djokovic even being 6 years olden than him and ending the goat debate once and for all.The raw tennis was there, but the mentality no.Funny thing is that not the rivalry with Nadal hurt him the most, but the one with Djokovic.Who would have thought that back in 2011-2012 ?

Imagine Djokovic and Federer drinking a glass of fine wine 10-20 years from now, thinking about that after all that happened in their rivalry and careers, it was Nadal who ended with the slam record :D (yes, I think that Nadal will hold the slam record.)
 
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Enceladus

Legend
What happened he got over excited probably already planing his celebration and so on. Big lesson for all the players and future players it isnt over until it is over. Djokovic did nothing special on those match points and after DEUCE. It was in Fed hand and he blew it by losing concentration and than get tight in 40-40 after not playing any off the match points well. If Djoko really hit amazing winners on match points and so on it would have been easier to handle for Fed and his fans.
I disagree, No1e's FH cross winner at Fed's 2nd MP was amazing. Novak could have put too much power into the stroke and the ball would end in the doubles corridor/outside demarcated court, or he play it too passively and Fedex would process the ball on the net. Nole's FH cross stroke was a combination of reasonable power and accuracy, playing such a stroke on an opponent's MP is at all not easy.
 

Rosstour

Legend
He should have just gotten the first serves in. Djokovic was beaten, ready to go home.

If Fed gets the first serve in, even if it was just a dink, all the pressure is on Djok and he likely sails the ball long or wide.

Fed's missed serves exposed his nerves and allowed Djok to relax just a little bit.
 
He should have just gotten the first serves in. Djokovic was beaten, ready to go home.

If Fed gets the first serve in, even if it was just a dink, all the pressure is on Djok and he likely sails the ball long or wide.

Fed's missed serves exposed his nerves and allowed Djok to relax just a little bit.
Fed made a first serve on the second one IIRC
 

Enceladus

Legend
We need a time machine to reset that fifth set sixteenth game!
And what kind of time machine would you like to go back into the past? ;):alien:
There are several options (from movies/TV):

Delorean from Back to the Future:


Stargate from Stargate franchise:


Time machine from the 2002 film of the same name:


****is from Doctor Who:


Guardian of Forever from Star Trek:
 

E46luver

Professional

40-15
went for 1st serve at T, but hit net. Did nothing wrong.
2nd serve nice slice novak hits deep at his feet, and fed hits it wide
clutch return by Nov and Nov won the point, fed did not lose it
How did Fed choke?

40-30
Good 1st serve in the T, and Nov returns in play.
Fed hits to open court, runs forward, and gets passed by perfect shot by Nov.
How did Fed choke?
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.

40-15
went for 1st serve at T, but hit net. Did nothing wrong.
2nd serve nice slice novak hits deep at his feet, and fed hits it wide
clutch return by Nov and Nov won the point, fed did not lose it
How did Fed choke?

40-30
Good 1st serve in the T, and Nov returns in play.
Fed hits to open court, runs forward, and gets passed by perfect shot by Nov.
How did Fed choke?
After Djokovic saved those 2 match points they were in deuce 40-40. Then Federer lost the next two points consecutively. Federer lost 4 points in a row with his serve and missed 2 match points. Most important choke in the history of tennis.
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
After Djokovic saved those 2 match points they were in deuce 40-40. Then Federer lost the next two points consecutively. Federer lost 4 points in a row with his serve and missed 2 match points. Most important choke in the history of tennis.
Things are more interesting than ever thanks to that incident.
:)
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
After Djokovic saved those 2 match points they were in deuce 40-40. Then Federer lost the next two points consecutively. Federer lost 4 points in a row with his serve and missed 2 match points. Most important choke in the history of tennis.
I guess we'll have to wait and see if it really is the most important choke in tennis history - think we can only say that in hindsight. After all, a lot of us thought that the AO 2017 final was a very significant / defining moment in the Slam race but as it turns out Nadal has done admirably well to add 5 (!) Slams after that tough loss.

Now my take on this situation is that had Roger won, I think quite a few people would have labelled this as a bit of a choke by Novak instead. Even though Fred hit a lot of winners and won more points, Djokovic ultimately still always had the lead in the match, moving up 2 sets to 1. And he was a break up in the 5th set, proceeding to gift the break back with 4 unforced errors. Once the match reached sort of 7-7 in the 5th set, it would have been a "lose-lose" for whoever lost the match, given everything that had happened up to that point.
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
I guess we'll have to wait and see if it really is the most important choke in tennis history - think we can only say that in hindsight. After all, a lot of us thought that the AO 2017 final was a very significant / defining moment in the Slam race but as it turns out Nadal has done admirably well to add 5 (!) Slams after that tough loss.

Now my take on this situation is that had Roger won, I think quite a few people would have labelled this as a bit of a choke by Novak instead. Even though Fred hit a lot of winners and won more points, Djokovic ultimately still always had the lead in the match, moving up 2 sets to 1. And he was a break up in the 5th set, proceeding to gift the break back with 4 unforced errors. Once the match reached sort of 7-7 in the 5th set, it would have been a "lose-lose" for whoever lost the match, given everything that had happened up to that point.
Djokovic played an average match to what we are used to seeing from him.
Anyway, the goddess fortune was on his side this time.
:D
 

E46luver

Professional
After Djokovic saved those 2 match points they were in deuce 40-40. Then Federer lost the next two points consecutively. Federer lost 4 points in a row with his serve and missed 2 match points. Most important choke in the history of tennis.
At deuce Fed missed a slice ace by 1 inch.
choke? easily the dumbest thing i ever read.
do you even play tennis?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Fed let's his ego dominate his game . I mean come-on Pound 4 serves to Novak's body and he will definately give One weak return , but Fed always wants to win beautiful and seek adoration from crowd .
If I was Fed at 40-15 , I would have targeted my 4 serves at Nole's Chest and try to rattle him .
Fed rarely uses the body serve and hasn't used it much in his entire career. He often goes through a match without a single body serve. For him to hit 4 straight body serves would be unprecedented and he's not going to do that in a high pressure situation. Hindsight's 20/20.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Fed rarely uses the body serve and hasn't used it much in his entire career. He often goes through a match without a single body serve. For him to hit 4 straight body serves would be unprecedented and he's not going to do that in a high pressure situation. Hindsight's 20/20.
Agree . But , Watch USO 2011 semi Final between Fed and Novak , At 40-30 match point he hit an excellent body serve and targeted Nole's chest and got very weak return .
It's his badluck that the ball clipped net (UE )

. Atleast ,he lost USO 11 because of Novak's brilliance .
But Wimby 2019 loss is simply because of refusal to experiment different shots .
And mind you , he even lost 2 more break points on Nole's serve in the final moments of 5th set bcoz of passive play .
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
Some stupidly long matches led to the introduction of the tiebreak at 12 -12.

Could have well done without that.

The stats show you can do everything right and then have to go into tie break mode, and chuck all the hard work away




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Mckeon

New User
This thread still going! Man I hope federer isn’t as tortured as his fans as if he is as bad then he will he outback of top 10 very soon ! Get over it guys. New season is starting
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
The GOAT of chokes !!! :-D





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Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
40-15
went for 1st serve at T, but hit net. Did nothing wrong.
2nd serve nice slice novak hits deep at his feet, and fed hits it wide
clutch return by Nov and Nov won the point, fed did not lose it
How did Fed choke?

40-30
Good 1st serve in the T, and Nov returns in play.
Fed hits to open court, runs forward, and gets passed by perfect shot by Nov.
How did Fed choke?
You should read this entire post and in particular read what I had to say about this at the time.

In short, Fed who is one of the greatest servers of all time, had FOUR potential serves to play with at 40-15.

With first serves as great as Fed has, you MUST serve only 'first serves' at this juncture of the match.

He had years to learn this sad lesson.

His first serve hit the net and didn't land in the box. Fine. He's got THREE more potential 'first serves' to play now.

Instead of hitting another 'first serve', he hits a second serve!!!
Big mistake!

Djoker eats it up, pushing Fed back to the baseline off balance.
Fed hits his next shot out.

A wasted 'first serve' opportunity that could have won the match.

Next first serve, Fed gets a weak reply and then proceeds to make two consecutive blunders.

1. He hits the ball timidly mid court to Djoker's FH.
2. He rushes the net after hitting this timid shot, leaving two thirds of the court wide open allowing Djoker to say "Thank you very much for your generous gift!"

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Djokovic nailed the passing shot, there was not that much room. Anyway it it was nice to see Federer-Djokovic at the WTF
What I find fascinating is that the game mirrored the previous game when Federer broke Djokovic in absolutely the same way (including the passing shot at the end), yet the talk about "choke" is apparent, but Djokovic's "choking" is not. Goes to show how trolls work.

:cool:
 

beard

Legend
What I find fascinating is that the game mirrored the previous game when Federer broke Djokovic in absolutely the same way (including the passing shot at the end), yet the talk about "choke" is apparent, but Djokovic's "choking" is not. Goes to show how trolls work.

:cool:
Djokovic is mayoring at mayors, you know............... ;)
 

Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
What I find fascinating is that the game mirrored the previous game when Federer broke Djokovic in absolutely the same way (including the passing shot at the end), yet the talk about "choke" is apparent, but Djokovic's "choking" is not. Goes to show how trolls work.

:cool:
You cannot be a troll when you are the player's biggest fan!

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DSH

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic nailed the passing shot, there was not that much room. Anyway it it was nice to see Federer-Djokovic at the WTF
Like a year earlier against Nadal, when the fifth set was played, 7 apiece, the Spaniard had a third break point in that fifteenth game, and his backhand fell short and the Serbian resolved well with his forehand passing shot; Even so, I think Nadal could do something else when he went to the net.

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