What went wrong for Fed against Safin in AO 05?

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  1. monfed

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    Fed was playing incredible the whole tournament, hadn't dropped a set, beat Agassi(the AO GOAT at the time in straights in the QF!). He was leading 2-1 sets,plays an incredible 4th set, goes 5-2 up in the breaker but somehow manages to lose it. Then in the 5th he lost 9-7.
    This is the greatest match of all time for me but also the toughest loss to digest as a Fed fan. Did Fed adopt the wrong strategy or was it just a case of Fed losing the big points? :(

    Here's a vid of how well Fed was playing that tourney(included against Agassi cause the Safin vid has poor resolution): -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkBUod7nnC0
     
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  2. BeHappy

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    He lost to someone playing even better.
     
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  3. Jake Gittes

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    Safin in full-flow is scary-good. It was as close a match as any and Safin edged it. There's nothing more to it. Federer has 17 Grand Slams. Safin deserved that Slam.
     
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    Fed had blisters.
     
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    Really? Do you have a source for this? I thought Fed was fully fit, did he get them in the 5th set or something?
     
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    I heard he had that strange feeling when you are going to sneeze, you think it's coming, you feel it's coming, but it just never comes - at 7-8 in the 5th
     
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    I do recall fed having blisters but safin just raised his level as the match went on. He was up 5 2 in the 5th before federer pulled out the kitchen sonk to draw level and then safin just kept squeezong federer until he finally broke him. Safin was just too strong in the end
     
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  8. monfed

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    But Fed did lead the 4th set tiebreak at 5-2 isn't it? :(
     
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    Nothing really went wrong. Federer threw the kitchen sink at Safin, and Safin went back and got his tub.
     
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    Yes and had matchpoint as well. Just wasnt clutch enoigh.
     
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    Safin when 100% focused is more talented than fed. Fed played amazing, safin was better. Nothing new here.
     
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    One of my all-time favorite displays of tennis. The high level of play they exhibited is probably unmatched.
     
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    Not through the first 4 sets he wasn't.

    Not only was Fed 5-2 up in the 4th set tiebreak, but he had 2 serves to come.
    Unforgivable to lose from that position.
     
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    Safin isn't more talented than Federer.
     
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  15. The_Order

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    Simple, he ran into a top 4 player and we all know Fed's record against top 4 players at the AO isn't good at all...
     
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    Federer's unnecessary between-the-legs attempt on match point certainly didn't help any. Yes, Federer came up slightly short on the big points; Safin was playing great himself, and managed to edge out a match that good have gone either way. Truth be told, I feel like 2005 was Federer's best year in terms of level of play, except that he failed to deliver the clutch play in a couple of his biggest matches-- namely, Safin at the Australian Open and Nalbandian at the year-end championships. He also squandered several match points before losing to Gasquet in Monte Carlo; really, the only match Federer lost in 2005 that wasn't one he let slip through his fingers from a winnable position was against Nadal at the French Open.
     
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    How about you don't forget that AO04 was Safin's first major since about a year. How about you don't forget that Safin had to play the defending champ in 5 sets and the current world #1 in 5 sets before that final?

    If Safin was fresh that 04 final would've been a completely different story, but since Safin was pretty much road kill obviously Fed would routine him.
     
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    Why should I believe it would've been a completely different story given that he has a 2-10 H2H against Roger? :confused:

    The AO 05 SF is a complete one-off situation in terms of their match-up and you know it.
     
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    Because fresh Safin beat him the very next year.

    And to that Jake Gittes fool, I'm not butthurt, not at all, Rafa has whooped Fed's arse at AO twice and never lost to him up there either :lol:
     
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    Doesn't change the fact that Federer is the heavy favorite going into a match against Safin at any tournament. :oops:

    Or was Safin "not fresh" the other 9 times he lost to Federer as well?
     
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    We are talking AO here. Safin's best major was the AO it suited him best. The other times were at Wimbledon where Fed is obviously the favorite or some Mickey Mouse tournament.

    Fed was the heavy favourite going into the SF match in 05 and look what happened to him, fell on his arse as Safin blasted the winner on MP...
     
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    Seems like such a silly match to argue about. The sport of tennis as a whole won with the skill shown in the match by those two. It doesn't really matter who won.
     
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    Jake Gittes, what a crap gif. Why anyone would create something with Fed laughing at Rafa is ridiculous. Is that because he can't do it himself? Federer hasn't beat Nadal in ANY major for 6 years :lol:
     
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    Yes, and it still took him playing the match of his life and 9-7 in the 5th to beat Federer there.

    Like I said, no reason to believe the outcome of the AO 04 F would've been any different had Safin not struggled so much in the previous rounds, Federer owns him plain and simple.
     
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    No doubt it's a wonderful match,, it's just hilarious when Fed haters try to use any loss as proof he isn't all that great/etc/etc.
     
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    Safin was playing very well, but it wasn't as good as Verdasco played in AO09
     
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4207905.stm

    " What was bothering me most was a blister on my foot, which I had from the second set. "
    Roger Federer
     
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    Hard to say, they play a bit of a different game.

    Personally I find Safin 05 to be more comparable to Tsonga 08. ;)
     
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    Safin deserves all our respects. He beat the two greatest of all time (Sampras and Federer) playing incredible tennis. It is the typical case of and underachiever. Safin was as talented as Federer and far more talented that players like Nadal, Djokovic or Murray, but he was too lazy. Had he trained the half of hard as players like Nadal, Safin would have been the greatest Federer's rival.
     
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    What a great match. To me Federer just ran out steam a bit in the fift. Perhaps bloodsugar chrashing. Besides he decided to slug it out with a peaking Safin. Perhaps an elder Federer would have chosen differently. But that probably would have made for a less fascinating match.
    "He was the better player - I'm hoping for a rematch but I am thrilled to be a part of it." - Federer
    In the end Federer was 11-2 against Safin, if I am correct?
     
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    LOL no way, go check the W to UE ratio and serve stats of Safin in AO05, Tsonga in AO08 and Verdasco in AO09 and you will clearly see that Tsonga was on a whole different planet in that SF as was Verdasco. They both blasted more higher W/UE ratio and better serve stats despite Nadal being a better defender than Federer and plexicushion being a slightly slower surface than RA.
     
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    :shock:

    Okay, whatever you say is right, Mr. Circular Reasoning.

    I can't even recall why Verdasco's 09 performance was brought up by you, probably just typical Rafito-turd insecurity. :oops:
     
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    i always go back to that match when i watch too much current tennis :)
     
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    best match of all time. Safin just edged him out that's it.
     
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    bwahaha .... federer and safin of the AO 2005 semi would definitely beat any version of nadal or djokovic or verdasco of AO 2009 at the AO ........... they simply played at a higher level.
     
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    that's because nadal allows that, federer doesn't. federer is a clearly superior player at the AO to nadal prime to prime ....

    W/UE ratio doesn't depend only on defense , but then considering you only keep on yapping about nadal, djokovic, murray etc , your statement is understandable , though totally incorrect.
     
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    As a Fed fan, I am secure enough in his achievements to just say well done to Safin on the day. Great game and watching at the time it felt like the impossible was happening. It really felt impossible to beat Fed in slam off clay from 04 to 07 and Safin was the only one to do it, and just.

    The 4 years of near invincibility off clay was great. The decline hasnt been too bad either!
     
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    federer's record vs top 4 in his best 5 years at the AO ( 2004-07, 2010 ) : 3-1

    rafa's boy overall record vs top 10nners at the AO in his five best years ( 2007-10 and 12 ) : 3 all

    overall record vs top 10 :4-5

    only federer was good enough to make it to the top 4 players in his others years ...

    rafa boy gets totally crushed by the likes of gonzo and tsonga ..

    djokovic of course outside of the 4 titles has loses to roddick and tsonga ( playing some good tennis, but nowhere close to his best )
     
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    safin also lost to federer at AO 2009 , at the masters cup in 2004, davis cup in 2002, rome in 2001, hamburg in 2002 ... none of these mickey-mouse tournaments ...

    safin had to redline and play his absolute best tennis and yet could've lost in 4 sets ... federer would've beat him in AO 2004 even if it weren't for his hard draw. safin wasn't at the level he was in AO 2005, esp the semi ...
     
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    yes, this .....
     
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    Oh, another thread about that overrated match...
     
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    Yes, this is well known actually. You can still find many articles about him having a blister.

    However, how much impact that had on the result is questionable. Safin played a great match, just like Federer, and there was very little to separate the two. As someone correctly pointed out, Safin edged it.
     
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    They were both playing phenomenal, but one of them had to lose. It's the best match ever for me as well and the one that made me a Fed fan. I always rooted against him before that match but I had a Rocky 4 like change of heart toward the end of it.
     
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    Safin just played better in the key moments. Especially in that TB. Raised his level and Fed couldnt handle that. Fed was actually playing incredible, it was just that Safin was too good for Fed
     
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    Lost in a once in a life time match against peak Safin, with him playing his absolute best tennis and it was arguably the best match of Safin's entire career.
     
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    safin underachieved a bit in his career but not here,

    it was 2 players at an amazing level and safin just won, someone had to,

    a bit like Borg-McEnroe at wimby/USO finals in 1980.
     
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